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f the thousands of non educated people who gave their lives for the greater good had not fought then all the radars and code breakers would have mean't nothing !!!!!
Have you ever thought that MAYBE there are too many going to University currently??
I can accept that State education is required, primarily to get the population into a position of basic literacy, mathematic skills, scientific understanding, geographical knowledge etc etc (although I personally think standards are Significantly LESS than 15 years ago).
If people choose to ''develop'' their knowledge then why is it a sin to suggest that they look at 'investing' in themselves to do so........ What is the problem ???
Yes I have used [the national health service] but I pay for that using National Insurance, or at least that's the idea ??!! as well as making provision for myself and taking Responsibility for myself....
Finally Astyanax, I do congratulate you on leaving your home country and exploring the world.. I think that is an admirable quality and one which most people think they have yet few ever really do !!
You want it all free because you a perceive social benefit from everyone having a degree.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by SaturnFX
Any brits on? Whats your take on it?
As a former 'foreign student', I had to pay through my nose for a British university education, suffering poverty and a succession of awful making-ends-meet jobs, while my fellow-students who were UK nationals received grants from the State and had a much easier time of it.
I never resented this, though. It seems to me that free education to university level is a great thing if a State can afford it. I also think graduating from university with a huge debt one has to work years to pay off is not the best and most hopeful start in life to give a young person.
As long as the UK can afford free university education, it should be (and was) available.
The trouble is, the UK can't afford it any more. University education keeps getting more and more expensive, and a lot more people are going to university these days.
At some point, unfortunately, students or their families have to take up the financial slack. That is what's happening now. Even with the proposed cuts, university education will still be subsidized, I believe, by your government; they just aren't paying for the whole thing any more.
edit on 9/12/10 by Astyanax because: (no reason given)
After reviewing all your threads I have to ask a question... What is your Point ?
You seem to sing the praises of higher education yet that is tainted with your own experiences of being 'handicapped' as compared to your fellow students at the time...
You then acknowledge that the state maybe cannot afford it and so the burden then lies upon the students and their families? What should the Government do?
You then attack me for having a different position from yours...
I figure that the whole counterpoint of your position is that 'every' student going to University benefits me directly or indirectly in some way....... I do not Accept this because I think that as a percentile the real numbers of Graduates worth their salt and whom have any meaningful benefit is not 100%.
What is your point , please explain in simple terms for an obvious 'thickie' like me please
I'm sorry, PurpleDog, but the rules on exporting live birds are pretty strict here, so pictures are the best I can do.
You have done alright 'exporting' your birds to the UK before.. there's loads of them working in bars & clubs and clogging our education system .. :-))
And obviously, living in the UK, you won't be able to see any live Angry Little Feather Tailed Dinosaurs because the ennui level in that chilly drab greyness of what's left of an Empire is too high to allow for any emotion more compelling than mild annoyance.
Your Visceral 'hatred' of anything you do not like I find quite amazing... I think you also need a little help with that 'Chip' your carrying too, Much like your friend and mine the feathered little DINOSAUR .. ... oh please !!
My point is that I do not see why I should fund further education REGARDLESS if it benefits society or not.
Your position is the opposite to that, so get over yourself and learn to accept that there are different opinions....
I shall read your links you have kindly posted and see if they change my mind.....
In the mean time have a look at this link and I hope you feel proud of the faces on their as they currently 'represent' your students image in the public eye...
On the subject of your poor 'tomcat', i suggest you feed the bloody thing and stop it trying to destroy the wildlife around it. There are many studies showing the impact of domestic / semi feral cats on the eco-systems they live in and normally the owners are oblivious (or turn a blind eye) to the situation !!! Maybe they are too distracted attacking everything else to even care of the world around themselves..
The House Sparrow was first introduced to Australia in 1863 at Melbourne and is a common pest throughout eastern Australia, but has been prevented from establishing itself in Western Australia, where every House Sparrow found in the state is killed.
Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
reply to post by Kailassa
You OBVIOUSLY have alot of time on your hands !
I enjoyed reading that so much I gave you a star, hope you don't mind receiving it from someone whom you do not approve of....
I, on the other hand do not abhor you or your opinions.. In actual fact I have learn't from them - (read into that what you will)
For someone so ''disappointed'' with the UK then I need ask one question -
WHY was your need to study here so great ??
Anyway, your HUGE disappointment with the UK borders on racism in my opinion. Some of the slanderous points you make are quite aggressive in a subtle way....... at least we shall take rightful ownership of the ashes again back from your pathetic excuse of a team !!
As for the ostrich is a dinosaur etc etc , the i'm right your wrong BS then I am still waiting to see a live example of the dinosaur / bird your mate Astyanax proclaimed to be !!! (and your need to prove a point) is becoming rather boring and tedious now... move on.... yawn !
Your desperate need to prove a point really amazes me..... How can humanity ever live in peace when people like you want humanity to live in pieces !!