Curious Thing About Wikileaks and Assange

reply to post by Crakeur


I will have to disagree with ya on this one.
He was charged with rape before these last release's.

And I for one am not gonna do what every Alpha male in the world does and say..them women are lying...
or it never happen!!!
That is the very reason 70% of rape case's never get brought to courts people don't believe them.
and makes them feel even worse about the crime...the Victims become the ones doing wrong by saying anything.

Of course i am pulling that number out of my butt atm..but i bet its high.
and surely you get the point.

Now let's get to his leaks...
He has made threat's to release a doomsday type file if he gets convicted of the rape charge's..
Innocent men don't do that!!!
Guilty men do.
It's a form of terrorism to get his was.

Now look at his buddy's hacking MasterCard pay pal and a lot of others.
All for doing what was right law wise.
If you honestly think the best hacker's in the world just decided to hack these site's of there own free will without any direction from assange ..
Not to mention hacker's get the files he leaks....
and they are hacking banks and paypal right now....
that right there show's proof he is a member of a group of hacker's stealing government classified documents..

So in close he is trash and needs locked up with no key in my humble opinion.
rape of 2 women..leaked file's...putting my country in danger..Does not sound like a good upstanding member of society if you ask me.
does it to you?

Crakeur,

Regardless of the information, this individual, and his creation (Wikileaks), became a hub for information. Whether the information was valid or not, he became a powerful resource that everyone was turning to and submitting their secretive information.

A single source or one stop shop.

What happens when he actually gets something big? I think he may have found something or has something now, just as you say.

People will be focused on Wikileaks and the Information will spread quickly. People are actually starting to get good a disseminating the BS, on the net, and know what is worthless and what actually is nearer to the Real Truth.

I think this is a tactical error for TPTB to create a martyr, but it is to late now, they have drawn the attention to him. They wanted to make an example and demonize him, but I think the opposite has occurred, they will need to put him on payroll now. lol

Originally posted by Crakeur

So, I'm wondering, is our government so afraid of what might be in those future releases that they tightened the screws on everyone to ensure that Assange is taken into custody, hopefully removing the risk of disclosure?

There is absolutely NO WAY disclosure will happen either through Wilikeaks or any other forum. Assange will probably be discredited as a sex offender or a fraud through his professional or personal life. Alternatively, it could be that he'll take a trip down some hard steps at Stoke Newington or Paddington Green - either way if he so much as attempts to get the site back up & running it'll be hacked & the relevant documents removed or redacted.

Popular media has it that the UFO topic is frivolous at best, non-existent at worst - dissenters to this are usually tagged as cranks, alcoholic or drug-addled depressives or just feckless. However, be rest assured that "something" is going on "somewhere". MasterCard/Visa have now ditched Wikileaks cutting of a major part of its funding & effectively strangling it before anything inflamatory on this topic can be disclosed.

Court case dependent, it may be seen that there is a "sighting" or aerial phenemonen which is hard ot explain (Norway missile again?) which, although dramatic, engenders a logical or at least plausible explaination. This will deflect from any material subsequently released by Wikileaks & further add to Assange's discredibility.

reply to post by jjkenobi


Rank doesn't really have anything to do with it. It was based on his MOS (job in the military) which was an Intelligence Analyst (35F)

Intelligence specialists use information derived from all intelligence disciplines to determine changes in enemy capabilities, vulnerabilities, and probable courses of action. The Intelligence Analyst is primarily responsible for supervising, coordinating and participating in the analysis, processing and distribution of strategic and tactical intelligence.

I was only a pfc when I got out of training (this was when i was 18 which I am now 26) and had access and was in charge of 3.5 million dollars worth of equipment But the point is he had access to the information (his job) so thats how he got it.

Originally posted by Crakeur

So, I'm wondering, is our government so afraid of what might be in those future releases that they tightened the screws on everyone to ensure that Assange is taken into custody, hopefully removing the risk of disclosure?

I fear you and so many others including high ranking officials around the world are making the same mistake.

Wikileaks is not Julian Assange... Yes Julian founded the organisation and yes he is the chief editor... However Wikileaks is a collection of a few hundred journalists from all around the world.

Where the information came from is a question that is very key to your supposition, because is it that they have a cache of information in a dump a la insurance file? or is that there are open live resources where these leaks are coming from.

The Insurance file password will only be released if he is convicted and sent down for a good long while, other than that the leaks will continue.

I am seriously hoping for some 911 truth and some information on how and why the economic downturn was engineered.



Korg.

reply to post by jjkenobi


Also he had someone help with with the software. So far,m no releases of his name. By the way star and flag OP!

Originally posted by TheAmused
I will have to disagree with ya on this one.
He was charged with rape before these last release's.

yes, he was but the charges were originally dismissed and then brought back (before the leaks or the ufo comment). He was wanted for the crime but, only after the ufo comment, was the red tag issued and the apb put out over interpol

Originally posted by TheAmused
Now let's get to his leaks...
He has made threat's to release a doomsday type file if he gets convicted of the rape charge's..
Innocent men don't do that!!!
Guilty men do.
It's a form of terrorism to get his was.

it's protection. if he gets convicted on a charge that was originally dismissed due to lack of evidence (nothing new came to light).

Originally posted by TheAmused
Now look at his buddy's hacking MasterCard pay pal and a lot of others.

Anon is apparently doing it and I doubt if they're doing it as a result of anything other than their usual desire to make a statement on behalf of a wrong they feel needs righting. In other words, they aren't doing this in cahoots with wikileaks or assange.

Originally posted by TheAmused
So in close he is trash and needs locked up with no key in my humble opinion.
rape of 2 women..leaked file's...putting my country in danger..Does not sound like a good upstanding member of society if you ask me.
does it to you?

the rape charges are questionable, with one of the claims being that he had sex without a condom. That's not rape, it's not a crime. It's stupidity but not rape.

the leaked files have yet to be proven to put anyone or any country in danger, other than Iran and North Korea and, if anything, that might wind up being beneficial to the rest of the world.

There are many other people who, I feel, would be deemed less upstanding that Assange. Dick Cheney was, in my opinion, far more dangerous in his time as VP than Assange is with his rape claim and his leaked files.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
I fear you and so many others including high ranking officials around the world are making the same mistake.

Wikileaks is not Julian Assange... Yes Julian founded the organisation and yes he is the chief editor... However Wikileaks is a collection of a few hundred journalists from all around the world.

No, I'm not. He's the face of the organization at the moment. Yes, there's more to wikileaks that Assange but you don't see anyone else in the crosshairs. This is because, by discrediting and destroying the face, or head, you kill the snake. That's how the folks behind the push against Assange and Wikileaks are operating and there's also the fact that the site has been forced to find new hosts, has lost it's access to money etc. These are attacks on wikileaks, not Assange.

The way I see it, whomever is behind the clampdown on the the funds and the hosting option, figures that they can dramatically reduce wikileaks' ability to be seen, globally but, even if the whole world loses access to the site, there's still the face out there talking and talking and talking.

so, shut down the site, its ability to operate etc and then silence the mouthpiece.

No more problem.

All interesting theories.

I will add, that I think Assange may be getting help from someone, or some people. For how long wil he be helped? I don't know. But only a few days ago Assange said if he was arrested or killed, he will release information that will change the way the big boys are doing business...then shortly after he turns himself in. Doesn't make very much sense to me. I think the attempted molestation charges are made up and was being used to get Assange...but the person who had the charges take effect was on Assange's side. Assange thought it was a ploy to arrest him and turn him over to the US, but...he probably later learned that it was a ploy...to get him and protect him...probably in exchange for something, as nothing is free. Why else would he turn himself in? The UK has stated that they do not intend to hand Assange over to the US, which is a good thing to me. They are questioning him, maybe working with him, trying to get more intelligence...in exchange for his safety. He learned of this and took the offer.

This is just a theory though...but Assange doesn't strike me as a stupid man. Whatever game he is playing, he plays to win.

They have much to be concerned about....leaks that would paint the US ( like we need help to paint that ), in a bad light...they have to save face any way they can.

Manning is just a patsy, and Assange is the scapegoat.

Wikileaks is an incredibly effective media blackout machine, too. Nothing else is getting reported, even here on ATS, besides wikileaks. It's like when Michael Jackson died - the whole of Africa could have sunk into the sea and nobody would have known or cared, because of the total media blackout on everything but MJ. The media are certainly milking wikileaks for ALL its worth, including not reporting on anything else. I just wonder how deep the deception goes, if Assange and company are connected with those who they apparently oppose or not.

Originally posted by Crakeur
I don't know what Greer published but, based on what I do know about his past releases, it's been nothing to write home about.

So, top secret classified documents from the South African Air Force talking about a craft crashing in South Africa and little 3-foot aliens staggering out and being transported to Wright Patterson AFB is "nothing to write home about"?

See, this is what I love about you guys, always raising the bar impossibly high

reply to post by cupocoffee


never saw that.

got a link to it?

And the disclosure would be that there are no aliens that we know of on our planet. That bit of disclosure would totaly blow the psy-op of creating an alien menace that would required a one-world-government to fight it.

reply to post by Crakeur


yep, imho that is exactly the truth.

the established elite running and controlling this world with various fighting factions and infighting is united on a single purpose...deny, obfuscate, distract, and assasinate anyone who dares to publically tell the truth about the aliens and ufos and pole shifts and extra planets coming our way.

the established lies are to continue until it is obvious to everyone on the planet with 1/2 a brain that we have been lied to all along for ever and by that time, the time of awakening, the elite will safely esconced in their private bunkers stocked with food and protected by military...

anything less is NOT gonna happen and watch while all this unfolds...the most common excuse given by the media folks AFTER the obvious will be, "but I was lied to as well, but I still signed the nat.sec.oath just in case so I could keep my job while I was lying to you...i was told what to say..."

but, poster, you knew all this right?

Good post btw: asking the right questions, even if no real answers come our way...

I'm not for sure how Assange said it, but maybe the talk of UFO data in the insurance file led the Government/'s to believe that Assange was full of it.

Agency: Did he say UFO's? I thought we ruled out the possibility of they're existence?
White House: Okay. Now we know he's full of it. Take him down.


Could it be that extraterrestrial life is nonexistent?

reply to post by Crakeur


It's in Greer's book "Disclosure", pages 367-372.

I'd post it but that would probably violate Copyright law. (Not that I care, but you probably do )

The gist goes like this: May 7, 1989, craft crashes in the desert in Botswana. Recovery team dispatched. Helicopter flies directly over the object and immediately stalls out and crashes. Five crew killed. Intense electro-magnetic field coming from the crashed craft.

Craft taken to base for study. Eventually door opens up and two small alien entities stagger out and are immediately arrested. Makeshift medical holding area set up.

Arrangements made for craft and aliens to be transported to Wright Patterson AFB. Cargo flown out in two Galaxy C2 Aircraft on June 23 1989 accompanied by American Air Force personnel.

So you see, this was the level of documents that Greer was already publishing 9 years ago, and not a peep from the MSM. Nothing like this current Wikileaks frenzy.

So, no, I do not think it was Assange's reference to UFOs that got him arrested. More likely his plan to go after banks and world financial system, IMHO......

Crakeur- So, I'm wondering, is our government so afraid of what might be in those future releases that they tightened the screws on everyone to ensure that Assange is taken into custody, hopefully removing the risk of disclosure?

Correct--However Disclosure has been taking place for quite sometime now.

thoughtsfull- My thinking runs along the lines that he has taken refuge in protective custody

Correct-- He has

TedHodgson--assange has put together something a little more juicy

Correct, Not just him but the ones that are behind him that are tired of hiding it all in fear for their lives.
There are good PTBs and Bad PTBs. The good PTBs are tired of playing the game. (Yes they infight but this time they wont compromise because they know its wrong)

IamAbeliever--there is something that has them so worried

Correct-- But they realized how assassination would throw an even larger red flag. Sex is a big deal when trying to destroy, discredit, tar, and feather someone so you can control them. They do it many different ways.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


I'm leaning toward Julian Assange in the UK for protective custody as well (no death penalty there either) - protected against the US, Russia and Israel.

When you put together the recent release of the UK UFO files and his claim to release UFO documents, it seems to me that the UK is more willing than other nations to publicize this information.

This little nugget has always intrigued me as well because a high ranking British official seems to have been "visited."

Among the more interesting sightings is a large triangular UFO seen hovering above the home of the former home secretary and Conservative Party leader Michael Howard in March 1997. Eyewitnesses said they had seen a "humming" object the size of two passenger planes close to his house near Folkestone in Kent, but an RAF investigation found nothing unusual.

"It was just a huge triangle thing, which was a lot bigger than an aeroplane or anything like that," said one person who saw the object. "It had lights all around the outside, and this disc attached to the back, and a big light on the front. I pulled up to a stop and as I did it shot off." It is unclear whether the UFO influenced Mr Howard's decision to run for the Tory leadership in 2003.

Source: www.independent.co.uk...

reply to post by Crakeur


I think it has more to do with the State Department leaks and then the soon to be BoA management emails and the leaks next year for bank business practices. They are the powers so you know they will never let it leak. If the docs are released about the banks then it means, a couple things, there is a new player in the game and/or one more notch that it is a CIA website maybe even NSA. If BoA, which is Bank of America and has more than $1.72 trillion in assets, $1.55 trillion in liabilities, and $785 billion in deposits and this is just what is reported to the IRS, all offshore holding companies and foreign money markets are not accounted for, cannot stop the leak to end them then only someone more powerful can do it, like a government. Lets look if BoA has done something to someone lately and then is connected by the last hack jobs, like Hillary and the Saudis with the last dump and Karzai brothers/Petraeus on the Afghan/Iraq wiki dump. It seems the goals of the CIA are in line with Wiki leaks releases. A new thread should be started with connecting the dots to get to the bottom of all this information. The rape/no condom charge against Julian Assange have CIA written all over it but it could be any number of the countries after him. Only time will tell, if you are right a UFO cable would be contact between Turkey or Iraq embassy and aliens, then we are all right, the end of the world is near if aliens are using diplomats to pass information......