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Curious Thing About Wikileaks and Assange

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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
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a dose of reality

If Julian Assange REALLY was
a threat, he would have been dead
long before he ever released gun camera
footage of the Apache. It's all staged
like a World Soap Opera.
And most are buying it on pay per view.



I have a very crucial question that most all "conspiracy theorists" need to consider/answer..

If ever there was a person to in reality try to expose the government and their lies..What possible method could they release the information while at the same time remain "operable", release the information and have it taken seriously, continue to accumulate information based on anonymity of the wistle-blowers, and gain and maintain funding to continue such an operation that wouldn't end up appearing to be "suspicious" or "intended"?

I was thinking about this the other day and really this seems like the only possible and practical way to approach something like this, would be exactly how they are doing it...

I have been all over the place regarding my opinion about this whole thing, starting off thinking it was legit. Then letting my conspiracy mind take over questioning everything and thinking it was a government/CIA front, now I'm back to thinking it is legit...Its really really hard to make a definitive decision on what is going on...

I'm trying to keep an open mind especially with the potential of further damaging leaks that could completely destroy one theory or the other...

So far what has been released has been particularly beneficial in most cases to the agenda of the US and Israel...

However apparently there are 95% more leaks and information that could severely turn any anit-Assange, anti-Wiki-leaks theory completely on its head...

This whole charade could be grounds to push internet censorship and control policies but at the same time it could just as easily express how incredibly crucial the internet "as is" can be to the freedom of information and the accountability of less then squeaky clean people/governments, its simply too early to tell with what little information has been released...

With further leak releases we should soon see the true pattern and intention emerge of this whole ordeal....

I am thinking its simply too early in the game to start assuming legit or not...

At least entertain the idea Assange and Wiki-Leaks are legit, otherwise we risk bastardizing and crucifying a man and organization that ultimately had our best interests in mind and needed our help but refused because we conspiratorially thought they were "wolf in sheep's clothing"...


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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
Why else would all these hacker's be allowed to hack away at master card pay pal and our goverments pc's to steal files?


They aren't stealing anything, Anonymous (assuming they are the only hacktivists involved) are shutting down the websites, not taking anything.

That being said, I agree that, at some point in the near future, we might see our government attempt to gain better control over the internet but I also think that it will be met with opposition from the masses and massive difficulities arising from the public being one step ahead of the feds with regards to technology and the intarwebs.

Much like how they are only capable of protecting us from attacks that already happened and won't be attempted again, they will try and put some kind of control system over the net and we'll be sharing workarounds.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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...they will try and put some kind of control system over the net and we'll be sharing workarounds.



Glad to see you're thinking ahead.




posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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In my view about what would be released it would be more devastating to find out our governments had a deal with aleins to let them abduct people for their uses than to find out the dealings of big banks which we know how they operate and the things they do. Just what would upset me and the majority of people moreso.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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As for the trumped up Charges......its something to do with not wearing a condom and coercion, as she slept he did the deed?????hmmmm? how does that work? She had already done the deed the night before but she was coerced into a spot of tiffin for breakfast.......Voila !!( CIA Offer her and her friend a fat sum, bobs your uncle fannies your aunt, questions on rape charges).
I'm really looking forward to the New Year release of Bank info, maybe we'll see these banksters with their heads on the block.
As for most that has come to pass, a lot was really not that secret , in fact all of us here on ATS kinda knew already because we aren't Sheeple.........

Disclosure, you could be onto something there but Assange is playing down the UFO material, a tactic? I don't know but he does seem to hold some major cards in his belt for rainy days. Playing down his UFO card when in fact it could be the big mother load, again its conjecture.
Lets face it any UFO secret that has been kept and not released has to be special so I'm just waiting for the release......Oh happy day!!


p.s how to get the people onside and make people view the defendant with disgust (child abuse, rape so on and so on, same old CIA technique ).



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:12 PM
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Let's assume that wikileaks is a CIA operation. The past few months have been building up the drama, making it so everyone is paying attention. Recently they release those cables, building up anti Iran/North Korea sentiments in the eyes of the world- mission complete. Now you have the problem of what to do with Assange & wikileaks- in order to keep up appearances, they must be punished in the eyes of the world.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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Yes you would think the CIA would come up with something new instead of their old standby rapist,child porn,,, its so transparent already , people are starting to see the light . Might just be a way for him to demonstrate what really happens in the system . He must have looked at all the angles and their moves and is just keeping one step ahead of them and using their stupid moves against them.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Don't forget that he is just a figurehead. Arresting him, keeping him in jail for life, even killing him will have zero effect on WikiLeaks, as there are hundreds of mirrors and they released new info even while he was in custody. Who knows how many trusted people he has that has access to the cache of data and can release it in his absence, not to mention the "insurance file" which may or may not be a bluff.

Either way, WikiLeaks cannot really be stopped. The only thing they can do is wage a PR campaign to make people not trust WikiLeaks (which is exactly what they are doing with the "sex crimes", etc).

Or, they could just decide to turn lemons into lemonade and use WikiLeaks to spread disinfo. Think about it. Everytime WL releases a "secret document" the MSM and public at large gobble it up. What better way to spread disinfo than to just make an anonymous submission to WikiLeaks and let them publish it.

abcnews.go.com...

apnews.myway.com...
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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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If they jail him for life or he accidentally trips over a pencil and dies, wikileaks will still be around but who, in their right mind, would take his place? If you were there and something happened to him, would you want to continue working there?



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Well his "inner circle" released more cables while he was in custody and told the media that they cannot be stopped, so it seems they are not afraid




"It is not derailing us in any way," said Hrafnsson, adding that a group of five to six people is running Wikileaks' operations in Assange's absence. "This is a turning tide and starting a trend that you can't really stop unless you want to shut down the Internet."



In a message published to Twitter on Wednesday, spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson shrugged off the pressure. On Tuesday evening, "the latest batch of cables were released, and our media partners released their next batch of stories," Hrafnsson said. "We will not be gagged, either by judicial action or corporate censorship. ... Wikileaks is still online. The full site is duplicated in more than 500 locations. Every day, the cables are loaded more than 50 million times."



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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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so far. time will tell. I'm hoping this doesn't happen but, if something were to happen to Assange, I'm unsure if his team will hold up.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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sorry but I feel Assange should be in prison for life, when the government tells you to not reveal something you listen. This is all classified info that hurt many governments and ruin US's relationships. and now Assange is hellbent on collapsing corporations and whatever "thermonuclear" thing he got planned. He's the modern day cyber terrorist. He wants to make history regardless of the consequences. I'd be more worried about his safety though, you never know what powerful shadowy people he mightve pissed off.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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it all boils down to pressure.. the government cracked down on wikileaks and now the banks are feelling pressure to cut ties or face pressure from the government and be labeled as helping terrorist. Once the government label someone a terrorist support for that group drops considerably. I think wikileaks are doing the right thing if they are exposing the governments wrong doings. Assange must really have some info if hes got these hackers and other people backing him up. But if the insurance is a bluff he might be the most hated man there is.. I think has some good info thats damning to our government if hes already released some stuff that he has.. Whos not to say he doesnt have more and how damning those cables could be..


Id like to see him expost haarp and area 51 and maybe rosewell i dont think he has that kinda info. But I believe in haarp and area 51 and rosewell.. And i believe there might be some things in the cables that relates to nasa shopping pictures and blotting out E'T artifacts or structures or something of that nature



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Ill be shocked if hes got something about 9/11, other than that there is nothing that we dont already know.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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The goverment is not for the people anymore no matter where you live,,, too much power and control by a few to make the masses comply with their demands that are for their own gains not the peoples.He is a long awaited truth revealer not out to destroy just inform and prove the things that we all knew but never had the proof to go with about the state of affairs that the world has come to.Luckily he is just a part of the group who will carry on no matter what happens to him.Finally some people that are fighting the system, as things cannot and will not go on as they have. It was a one way trip untill now.Time for change , maybe it is too late but lets hope.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by nevertolate
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The goverment is not for the people anymore no matter where you live,,, too much power and control by a few to make the masses comply with their demands that are for their own gains not the peoples.He is a long awaited truth revealer not out to destroy just inform and prove the things that we all knew but never had the proof to go with about the state of affairs that the world has come to.Luckily he is just a part of the group who will carry on no matter what happens to him.Finally some people that are fighting the system, as things cannot and will not go on as they have. It was a one way trip untill now.Time for change , maybe it is too late but lets hope.


this is anarchy. change into what?



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Hey, great thread but I have another question. Why do you think the media has allowed coverage of WikiLeaks? This has puzzled me. If this whole scandal is as serious as we think it is, why has the government and media allowed for it to take place, unless they might use it to their advantage somehow. Thoughts anyone?



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
sorry but I feel Assange should be in prison for life, when the government tells you to not reveal something you listen.


He is not a U.S. citizen so why would he give a rats ass what the U.S. govt tells him? Maybe the people that should be put in prison for life are the ones in the U.S. MILITARY that illegally copied the data and submitted it to WikiLeaks? They are the ones that broke several laws and basically became traitors for doing that


Not saying what WL is doing is right or not, just saying that if anyone deserves to be punished, it is the people who actually, knowingly, willingly broke several laws in order to steal and leak the information to WikiLeaks.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Otamad
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Hey, great thread but I have another question. Why do you think the media has allowed coverage of WikiLeaks? This has puzzled me. If this whole scandal is as serious as we think it is, why has the government and media allowed for it to take place, unless they might use it to their advantage somehow. Thoughts anyone?


thats a good example of conspiracy loop



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Change not into something else just have them open to the people not have all their secret little boys club meetings and undertable dealings, if they had operated as they should have we would not be at this point right now...



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