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"FDA Bans Caffeine In Alcoholic Beverages?"

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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I find it that i can drink half a bottle of a 750ml vodka bottle mixed with juice or some sort of non-caffeinated soda and i'll be fine but when i mix it with red bull or nos i tend to drink more and then get sick and puke my guts out. The stims in the energy drink tend to make you think that you aren't getting the buzzed feeling thus making you drink more and then you puke. I've seen it happen at parties all the time. Also, alcohol is a depressant and energy drinks are stimulants which can have results such as over drinking to putting you in a comatose state. It's kind of why doctors warn against mixing such things.

I don't know if many of you are 18-30ish or if any of you tend to go out a lot and "party" it up but if you look at the kinds of people that go all crazy and drink like there's no tomorrow you'll see that they usually aren't the sharpest of marbles so i think that this ban of selling caffeinated alcoholic cocktails is aimed at protecting these younger folk rather than a sign of the "institution/the man/nwo/fascists/tptb/socialist" telling you what you can or can't do.




posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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First of all, OP is a sensational clown. Another sleepwalker claiming to be "aware"

Four Loco is an alcoholic beverage that boasts the equivalent alcohol of 5 beers mixed with caffeine, sugar, and various flavorings. I'm a college student, and trust me I know. I don't drink the awful mix, because I am smart enough to stay away from malt liquor completely.

College students like to drink these things, and when they go out or are in parties feel really "good". Thats the caffeine and sugar talking, while the alcohol starts to impair them like wild. The drunkenness creeps up on the students and hits like a ton of bricks. Sometimes students go through two in the span of 30 minutes before realizing the effects of the alcohol. Are you getting the picture, they do not call these things black out in a can for nothing!

Banning the drink would be an interesting Idea, as I have seen many horror stories make way due to this drink. Whether or not they ban the drink or the caffeine in the drink is the FDA's decision. Its for the better, trust me.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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Whoever says caffeine and alcohol does not mix has never had a vodka redbull.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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The best argument against this ban, and in fact against any prohibition of any substance, that I've ever heard (well, besides the cause-and-effect relation between prohibition of a demanded substance and violent crime, hence the little Al Capones we have on the Mexican border for example) came from the comedian Chris Rock.

Here's what he said (it might be a paraphrase):

"I think all drugs should be legal. You know why? 'Cause people wanna get high."


edit on 17-11-2010 by NewlyAwakened because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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It doesn't matter who it is designed to protect because:

1. Government can not save people from themselves.

2. Bans don't work - ever.

3. Laws can only punish, never prevent.

4. The State is not my nanny or mother

5. The ban is racist.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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OP defends himself like a little child

second line



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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How is the ban racist?

That is an outrageously stupid comment.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
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How is the ban racist?

That is an outrageously stupid comment.


No, it is not.

If you understood the drinks in question you would understand why this ban is largely targeting minorities.

This was not directed at college kids.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Not sure if it's been posted already (if so sorry), but OP they are banning caffeine from Alcoholic Beverages for the sole fact that when the two mix Caffeine can make the consumer believe he is not as drunk as he really is, which could lead to Alcohol poisoning...This has nothing to do with taking away your rights to consume what ever the hell you want, but just to ban something that could kill someone.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by NobamaThis has nothing to do with taking away your rights to consume what ever the hell you want, but just to ban something that could kill someone.


So on the "something that could kill someone" heirarchy where exactly does pre-mixed energy drink and booze fall? Above or below cars, cigarettes, twinkies, hamburgers, cough syrup, bleach, rocks, gravity, sunlight,.....

I mean, if keeping people safe it the point and all.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Nobama
Not sure if it's been posted already (if so sorry), but OP they are banning caffeine from Alcoholic Beverages for the sole fact that when the two mix Caffeine can make the consumer believe he is not as drunk as he really is, which could lead to Alcohol poisoning...This has nothing to do with taking away your rights to consume what ever the hell you want, but just to ban something that could kill someone.


This has nothing to do with keeping people safe or the government would have banned bars from serving nearly every cocktail imaginable.

If you actually believe this was about saving people from themselves, then you should also be demanding that no one be allowed to serve a caffeinated cocktail of any variety.

No more jack and cokes.

No more vodka redbulls.

No more jager bombs.

No more captain and cokes.

No more nothing.

edit on 17-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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I understand the drinks. I drink the drinks. I know what your saying, but you're going about it all wrong. Because a segment of the population chooses to drink these more than others and then those drinks get removed from the market, you're calling that racist? That's reversed.

Why don't you just tell me in plain language what you mean? This is what I'm hearing from you. Tell me I'm wrong.

"Only African-Americans drink these. If you ban them, you're specifically targeting a product only African-Americans drink and therefore it's racist"

Does that make me African-American because I drink Joose?

What are you saying?



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
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I understand the drinks. I drink the drinks. I know what your saying, but you're going about it all wrong. Because a segment of the population chooses to drink these more than others and then those drinks get removed from the market, you're calling that racist? That's reversed.

Why don't you just tell me in plain language what you mean? This is what I'm hearing from you. Tell me I'm wrong.

"Only African-Americans drink these. If you ban them, you're specifically targeting a product only African-Americans drink and therefore it's racist"

Does that make me African-American because I drink Joose?

What are you saying?


The government is targeting minorities with this ban on cheap caffeinated energy drinks.

That is the bottom line.

When we look at who these drinks are marketed towards and who drinks them the most, it becomes BLATANTLY clear this ban predominately targets minorities.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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You guys missed the point, these are two things that should never be mixed because it negates the effects of each other, You do realize there has been increase death among college students directly related to this? This is no conspiracy....



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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that article is filled with so much yellow "journalism" i dont know where to begin, ....

the incident does not even mention what diet pill it was and if the correct ammount of pills where 1 and not just hearsay and as far as i know most if not 99% of all diet pills / fat burners contain "overthecounterspeed" and it sais on the pill bottle usualy that use with caution or dont take with (fill in the blank).

so be it poor judgement or self inflicted intentional "overdose" that killed the person in question ,
i guess the hangover speaks for it self ,

but the main question still is what has this to do with the fda´s judging ?



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Nobama
You guys missed the point, these are two things that should never be mixed because it negates the effects of each other, You do realize there has been increase death among college students directly related to this? This is no conspiracy....


If they negate the effects of each other how can they cause a death? How can they cause any affect at all? They negate one another you say.

Alcohol poisoning is caused by over-consumption of alcohol. That's it. Not by some majic mixture.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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I understand what your saying OP. Like any other ridiculous law we have here,this is the start. Dont you see what happened here people. Read the actual ban carefully. For now its about alchohol. Which could be for any number of reasons,including our health (which is bs)! But it opens the door for the feds to eventually ban caffeine in anything they want. Just by going back to this one incident and saying see,caffeine is no good.

Guns are unsafe and bad for my health ,but I can buy them and mix them with bullets to make them volatile and thats ok. Cars are unsafe ,mixed with gas they become several thousand pound missles ,better ban them too ,there bad for our health. Ciggarettes are ok though ,they cant hurt you. How many people a year does alchohol itself kill, not to mention that all these items dont just hurt you but others around you, but there ok.

This is ALL about buisness. They created a product people liked more than budweiser and busch started losing market shares. So they lobbied to get the drink banned ,its that simple and happens every day in washington!

Why doesnt the FDA ban itself and the other lawmakers on the hill. There more volatile to my health and this economy than caffeine will ever be.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

The government is targeting minorities with this ban on cheap caffeinated energy drinks.

That is the bottom line.

When we look at who these drinks are marketed towards and who drinks them the most, it becomes BLATANTLY clear this ban predominately targets minorities.



If you're the appointed person to point out the products that assigned to minority groups, what does a white guy from St. Louis drink?

Before you answer, think about the HUGE GENERALIZATION that you're making and how your comments are absolutely as racist as the accusations that you're making.

What other drinks do minorities drink? Are there bans on those? Come on. Tell us.

Your self-righteousness is not making real world sense.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Really?..okay let me explain it in a way a 3rd grader could understand.

Caffeine = Stimulant (look it up if your not sure)
Alcohol = Depressant

When the two mix you get negated effects which could lead to overdose of Alcohol i.e Alcohol poisoning because it's harder to tell how drunk you really are.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
The totalitarian criminals you call the federal government have decided that a naturally occuring chemical called caffeine, often found in such products as coffee, is to be banned.

Apparently some enterprising entrepreneurs had taken it upon themselves to add this dangerous chemical to alcoholic drinks. Of course, in the FDA’s opinion, consuming a known toxin such as alcohol is perfectly fine, as long as you do so without adding caffeine to it.


You know what else is a "Naturally Occuring Chemical"?

THC as found in Marijuana...and Nicotine as found in Tobacco.

Lets sell a drink that combines THC, Nicotine, Caffiene and Alchohol..What else can we throw into the mix?

"Naturally occuring substance" is a really bad argument to make.

Kids are dying while drinking this crap...It's a bad idea.



Four Loko's potential danger comes from mixing caffeine and alcohol. When alcohol and caffeine are combined people report feeling reduced sensations typically associated with alcohol believed to result from caffeine counteracting the depressive effects thus keeping the individual more alert.[10] However, when the caffeine wears off the person feels the full effects of the alcohol. This can lead to excess consumption of alcohol because the delayed feeling of drunkenness leads an individual to seek additional alcohol to obtain the same sensations as those found in previous encounters.[11]

en.wikipedia.org...(energy_drink)



In October 2010, following the hospitalization of seventeen students and six visitors, Ramapo College of New Jersey banned the possession and consumption of Four Loko on its campus.[13] As a result, Worcester State University stopped the sale of all energy drinks and it as well as Boston College have informed their students of the risks involved in consuming Four beverages.

In November, other colleges joined in the effort to inform their students about Four energy drinks. Salve Regina University, Northeastern University, University of Maryland,Fitchburg State University, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Southern Connecticut State University, Sacred Heart University, University of Central Oklahoma, Massachusetts Maritime Academy, Ramapo College, Duquesne University, Bryant University, Boston University, Bentley University, Salem State University, Villanova University, Brandeis University and SUNY Cortland have all sent out notices informing their students to avoid the drink.[14][15] University of Rhode Island, Mount St. Mary's University, Temple University, Niagara University, and Wentworth Institute of Technology have placed outright bans on the consumption of the drink on their campuses.[8] Other efforts to control the statewide use of Four have been under way.

en.wikipedia.org...(energy_drink)



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