"FDA Bans Caffeine In Alcoholic Beverages?"

I'm interested to see they've done this in the US, cause they've been discussing doing it here for a while too.

In Scotland we have a terrible issue with a lovely fortified wine called Buckfast, aka Buckie. Made by Benedictine Monks in Devon, South England, majority of sales are actually made in Scotland where it is the prefered drink of many Neds and Nedettes.

Here's some stats from taken from the Wiki page on Buckie:

In January 2010 a BBC investigation revealed that Buckfast was mentioned in 5,638 crime reports in the Strathclyde area of Scotland from 2006–2009, equating to three a day on average. One in 10 of those offences was violent and the bottle was used as a weapon 114 times in that period. Further, in a survey last year of 172 prisoners at a young offenders’ institution, 43 percent of the 117 people who drank alcohol before committing their crimes said they had drunk Buckfast. In a study of litter in a typical housing project, 35 percent of the items identified were Buckfast bottles.

Now the problem with Buckie is the high alcohol and high caffeine content. It's only £5/6 for a 750ml bottle, it's 15% alcohol, more than wine, and each bottle contains the equivalent of eight cans of coke. Drop for drop it's got more caffeine than Red Bull.

If you come across a ned that's high drunk on Buckie you know about it. It has a strange effect on people and they are literally blind drunk but very active and can get extremely agressive. It's known as the drink to drink before going for a fight with rival gang members, to get you going.

There's even videos on Youtube of people downing a whole bottle in a little as 7 seconds. It seems to be a fad to get a high and drunk as you can in a short period of time, then go out and 'cause it'.

Man Downs Whole Bottle of Buckfast in 7 Seconds

But in saying that, i've got friends that drink it responsibly and enjoy it.

So the government is now looking to do the same here and 'ban' drinks with high alcohol and caffeine content because of the problems it's causing. This won't stop people buying vodka, buying redbull and mixing them both together. But to be truthful i've never seen drunk vodkabull drinking students acting like neds....

They need to tackle the people that are the issue, not the drinks. It's just another example of the 'punish the many because of the bad actions of the few' rule that is used to control us.

What they should really do is demand the monks in the abbey to stop putting so much bloody caffeine in their drink if they're that worried about the high caffeine content. If they do, the neds will just move on to downing vodka and snorting caffeine instead probably.....

reply to post by mnemeth1

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments you express! Here, in Scotland, the government has just been defeated on a bill that proposed a minimum price on alcohol, to supposedly, limit the effects of binge drinking" They have also attempted to ban our other national tipple (which isn't Irn Bru) but rather, Buckfast wine! This very strong, caffeine based fortified wine! Is potent stuff and goes by the nicknames of 'Bucky', 'Brain Dead', or my favourite... 'Ned's Nectar'! It is produced by Christian monks at Buckfast Abbey, hence the name, and has nothing to do with the communion variety! The thing is it can make you dance and sing, which are traits woefully lacking in our daily toil... So, interfering governments... Sod off! And, as we Glaswegians like to say...'geeez a brek'!

Originally posted by Brood

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by Brood

So I'll ask you again after I just pulled your head out of your ass that you willingly shoved up a meter deep, explain to me why jager bombs aren't illegal?

Jager bombs come from the bar

Really?

I am more than capable of going to a packie and getting some Jager, then going to Costco and buying a 30 pack of redbull. In fact, I know this to be true because I have done it.

Combining it yourself is uncontrollable, it's part of what makes this whole thing make no sense. They are only taking the prepackaged products off of shelves, which leads me to believe that they are going to magically replace this product with their new "*FDA APPROVED* healthy alternative". The FDA will not tolerate having anything but a monopoly on all of their products.

Actually FOUR LOKO will be back on the market shortly. Just without the caffeine in the product.
So there goes the monopoly theory

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Too bad, because now if you try to create it, men with guns will show up and slap you silly.

Provide evidence to support your claim.
My guess is you can't

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by BobbinHood


Caffeine and alcohol just arent a good idea in large doses.

I think anything that can be accurately called "soft core speedballing" isn't the greatest idea, unless we're talking about Ketamine and '___'.

But anyways, it really begs to question why the hell this is being done. I mean, as our friend here who supports this move has clearly displayed, there is no sensible reasoning as to why this is being done. It's not like it prohibits anyone from doing this, in fact from all varieties of caffiene/alcohol cocktails I can think of, Four Loko is the tamest.

The ban was designed specifically to ONLY target those extreme alcohol/caffeine energy drinks because people were hospitalized from those same drinks. The content seemed extreme so thus the potential ban. But don't worry, FOUR LOKO drinks will be back on the market shortly just without the caffeine. If you insist on consuming this dangerous cocktail, just pop a few caffeine pill and drink a FOUR LOKO-your stupid if you do but you can do it.

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by BobbinHood


Caffeine and alcohol just arent a good idea in large doses.

I think anything that can be accurately called "soft core speedballing" isn't the greatest idea, unless we're talking about Ketamine and '___'.

But anyways, it really begs to question why the hell this is being done. I mean, as our friend here who supports this move has clearly displayed, there is no sensible reasoning as to why this is being done. It's not like it prohibits anyone from doing this, in fact from all varieties of caffiene/alcohol cocktails I can think of, Four Loko is the tamest.

The reason why is because the FDA is a bunch of racist fascists that:

1. hate black people

2. hate freedom

3. like large industrial cartels, such as Pepsi and Coke (who run the FDA).

Pepsi and Coke are in no mood to have competitors muscle in on their energy drink market.

So they had the FDA ban it.

edit on 16-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

1. We're not talking about energy drinks, we're talking about a combo drink.
2. The companies producing the drinks can reformulate and still sell their drinks.
3. Hate black people?????? Are you serious??????? WTF are you talking about??????

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by Brood
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Coca-Cola makes Rockstar Vodka.

Pepsi, however... might have something there.

Coke doesn't make this:

www.drinkjoose.com...

And Rockstar is non-alcoholic.

Further, because rockstar is non-alcoholic (along with red bull) - coke stands to lose a huge amount of business from bar sales if bars start selling pre-mixed drinks instead of using rockstar or redbull.

edit on 16-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

If that were really the case, then coke could simply make the cocktail themselves and sell it to bars....DUH !!!
Think for 2 seconds people !

Originally posted by mnemeth1
www.bevnet.com...

LAS VEGAS, NV -- Rockstar Incorporated, maker of Rockstar Energy Drink, today announced that it has completed a distribution agreement with Coca-Cola North America (CCNA) and Coca-Cola Enterprises (CCE). CCE will distribute Rockstar in all of its territories covered in the distribution agreement in the U.S. and Canada except the Northwest and Northern California divisions of CCE. The agreements are effective today, and distribution of Rockstar by CCE is expected to begin by May 31st.

Since its introduction in 2001, when Rockstar created the first 16-ounce energy drink, the brand has experienced growth year after year and firmly established itself as a major player in the beverage industry.

"I compliment Coca-Cola Enterprises and Coca-Cola North America for having the vision and foresight to engage in this phenomenal deal with Rockstar," said Russ Weiner, president and chief executive officer of Rockstar. "Combining the power of the Rockstar brand and what I believe to be the strongest sales and distribution system in North America will take Rockstar to the top."

Under the agreement, Weiner will retain 100% brand ownership.

Of course, the money is in the bar sales of rockstar to use as mixers.

Pre-mixed drinks cuts out those distributors.

edit on 16-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

If the money is at the bars, then why does every convenience store, gas station, etc... stock the refrigerators full of them?

I've been drinking Jack & Coke since I was about 18 and it's never done me any harm (other than the odd hangover). Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't coke contain quite a lot of caffeine?

What a rediculous decision. And I though our government was a nanny state

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by mnemeth1

I also like being awake when I'm bombed out of my mind.

You don't understand what it means to be in that state truly until you venture into psychedelics, and when you do that instead of a drug that pushes you into mindlessness it pushes you into a state of mindfulness.

Great example of what we're dealing with people !
WOW !?!?!?!?! WTF ?!?!?!?
A state of mindfulness......yeah right !

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
Since you are a little upset over your title being changed, I'll "man up" and say that I was at least one person who alerted about the title being a blatant lie. Because it was. I was going to post first and try to tell you myself, but you really aren't in the business of listening to other sides.

Sir, for doing your patriotic duty and alerting the mods to the obviously erroneous lying fraudulent post title, I award you the Star of Lenin.




Your efforts have saved numerous socialist agitators from wasting precious time by clicking a link to a thread they might not enjoy.

Yeah nothing like accurately describing the subject in the thread. Heaven forbid you tell the truth !
Shame on someone for calling you on your lie !
We should be able to shovel around anything we like as the truth without having any responsibility for what we write or say

Originally posted by nik1halo
I've been drinking Jack & Coke since I was about 18 and it's never done me any harm (other than the odd hangover). Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't coke contain quite a lot of caffeine?

What a rediculous decision. And I though our government was a nanny state

edit on 17-11-2010 by nik1halo because: spellnig

Coke has 34 mg of caffeine per 12 oz. can. (24 oz. of coke = 68 mg caffeine)
Not much caffeine at all. If you compare it to the loko max 23.5 oz cans at 200 mg of caffeine you have 3 times the caffeine. Also keep in mind that loko max also had guarana which is basically more caffeine.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Too bad, because now if you try to create it, men with guns will show up and slap you silly.

Provide evidence to support your claim.
My guess is you can't

Implying cops don't have guns.

Implying violence is not used to enforce the law.

Implying that the above implications are true.

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Mnemeth1 is right. The police do enforce the law and will use violence.

Originally posted by America?
I hope they don't ban caffeine completely, atlthough I think it is reasonable to ban cafeine and alcohol mixed drinks. I made the mistake once of being intoxicated and then chugging a monster. Not good I completely flipped and felt like I was gona die.

that's the most idiotic post ive read all day, can we take stars away from a person for being an idiot?

what you people need to keep in mind is a "law" by definition is designed to limit freedom not give it, so maybe we should becareful wich laws we support and base that judgement on its over all importance and not wether it affects "ME"

let an adult drink what they want to drink and make their own life choices! i am sick of these poloticians and scientists telling me how to live my life!

They want to ban caffeine in alcoholic drinks because it is an "unsafe" food additive, yet they still allow the sale and consumption of artificial sweeteners such as aspartame, even though the effects are widely known - madness.

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by susp3kt
They're proposing banning caffeine/alcohol beverages and not caffeine itself.

You might want to reword your post title.

No, they are declaring it an unsafe food additive.

Hence, they are banning its use in the free market.

Producers can not freely chose how to employ it in their products.

edit on 16-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

I see nothing of the sort in the link in your OP, or from any of the research I've done myself on this. I only read that they are proposing banning the alcoholic/caffeine beverages. Do you know how crazy & up in arms some would get if they were to try to take away people's morning coffee? I mean, I know people that literally cant function without that first cup-o-joe in the morning!

I'm sure some loon out there would like to do just that, but I don't see anything in recent news that would make me think this is on the drawing board.

Let's not put any half-truths out there my friend. So go grab a cup of coffee and have a good day mate.

ETA:

I'm not sure what alternate reality you are living in, but from what I can gather, a company that intentionally tries to harm its customers will be sued and run out of business rather quickly.

I hope you meant that with a bit of sarcasm. I don't think you did though...

I would argue the point that some entity in the government, or an echelon above it, is trying to kill us, but from the content of your posts I see that trying to reason with you is an endeavor for the birds.

Government is overstepping their boundaries.

I drink these drinks on the weekend every once in awhile and I know they're safe.

If someone is going to get alcohol poisoning they're going to get it regardless of caffeine being in their drink or not. It's called binge drinking and the media has been harping on it for the past decade. Looks like all that harping has finally made some legal headway.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by nik1halo
I've been drinking Jack & Coke since I was about 18 and it's never done me any harm (other than the odd hangover). Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't coke contain quite a lot of caffeine?

What a rediculous decision. And I though our government was a nanny state

edit on 17-11-2010 by nik1halo because: spellnig

Coke has 34 mg of caffeine per 12 oz. can. (24 oz. of coke = 68 mg caffeine)
Not much caffeine at all. If you compare it to the loko max 23.5 oz cans at 200 mg of caffeine you have 3 times the caffeine. Also keep in mind that loko max also had guarana which is basically more caffeine.

Thanks for the education, I have no idea what Loko max is, I presume something similar to Red Bull though?

I've had the odd VodBull here and there and not really noticed anything untoward as a result. Maybe it's more to do with the volume that one consumes, as I'm not overly keen on either Vodka or Red Bull, I've never been tempted to drink that many.

Having said that, drinking too much of any alcoholic beverage is bad for you - possibly lethally so, so I still say it should be left down to personal restraint, rather than government intervention.

I think this is great!
I drink alcohol for the health benefits, so why anyone would want to risk their health by contaminating their alcohol with caffine is beyond me.
Whatever next?