TSA (Team Sexual Assault) Wants to grab man's "junk". He says no, they eject him and threaten to

Originally posted by WickedStar
I think it's blatantly obvious that this man intentionally provoked this encounter and he videoed it so he could make a point. I understand that it is a degrading and humiliating thing to be strip searched. It's a terribly violating thing. I've traveled alot since 911 and while I've never suffered a strip searched, I have had a groin search. But what is important to remember here is that it is not a fact of daily life that we are degraded in this way. You don't go to the grocery store and get searched...you don't get searched at the movie theater. You get searched when you board a commercial airliner that can very easily become a wepon of terrible distruction. And I for one don't mind being searched when I CHOOSE to purchase an ticket to ride an airplane. I hate that we live in a world where such an embarrasing thing is necessary to fly the friendly skies but maybe these searches are what's keeping them friendly.

My 2¢'s,
WS

I have to fly for work, I don't chose to buy tickets... I have to to facilitate work.

So, because I have a meeting in Denver, someone from the TSA gets to touch my penis? How long till if I want to buy a baseball bat, someone at Walmart gets to touch my penis because I could use the bat as a weapon? What about if I get on the subway? What if I want to do something bad there? Should someone be able to touch my penis on the subway? (That is, other than the people who are already trying to do that on the subway currently...)

This is seriously invading our lives in more and more areas. This needs to be stopped.

I thought more about your comment about choosing to buy a ticket to fly. I did buy one... and that was a deal between me and the airline.

How different is that from you renting a car and all of a sudden a government agency steps in, grabs your junk and then says "ok have a nice drive"?

What makes you think it is ok for this to be happening? Molestation by force!

reply to post by YourPopRock


I completely agree...the security state is becoming a major problem. However, they guy didn't say "hey man, I'm going to sexually molest and abuse you and you can't do anything about it." He informed that that he would perform a groin search to see if there was anything...untoward...concealed in his pants. Remember the Underwear Bomber? Had that device worked everyone on that plane could have died..perhaps others elsewhere. And as much as you say you fly, OP...it's quite possible that a TSA agent was able to id a person who intended to do harm on one of your plane flights aswell. There are certain invasions I am willing to endure...most of us are, including you or you probably wouldn't be using the internet right now. The internet has become extremely invasive. Every keystroke, website, chat dialogue, message, download etc..you've ever received or sent has been recorded and logged in some other computer for risk analysis. This is pretty much a common fact amongst anyone who knows anything about the internet...yet we all log on just the same. The point is...we have to come to an understanding about what we're willing to endure and what is unacceptable. Is undergoing a routine inspection to ensure that you have no devices strapped to your body that would cause mortal harm to another person so much a loss of liberty? I don't think so. I never thought I'd find myself arguing this side of the angle because I, most likely, like you consider myself an ideologue. However, I'd much rather be searched at the airport than to loose my life because a TSA agent failed to search someone who did intend me harm. And you probably would too.

reply to post by YourPopRock


I think you're sensationalizing this beyond reason. I feel like you're comparing a 1 minute search to a brutal rape. Anyone who's been raped would probably tell you that the two couldn't be more different. You are right that it is invasive but he was informed that it would happen and he was given the option not to undergo the search.

reply to post by WickedStar


Everyone is different though. I can understand how anyone would be extremely upset at being touched around their genital area by a stranger, no matter how briefly. Yes, of course it's not comparable to rape, but it's still an invasion of privacy and absolutely undignified. Mass hysteria has brought us to the point where this kind of thing is seen as acceptable by some. Personally I think it's over-kill and completely unnecessary. The odds of a terrorist attack on a flight are astronomical compared to the myriad of other every-day dangers we face. We take risks in everything we do, and flying is no different. I think most rational people would take the (exceedingly small) risk that there might be a terrorist on their flight over being groped, fondled and generally treated like cattle.

If the terrorists have gotten the American way of life changed to one where we get screened just to fly to the point of them touching my junk, then the terrorists have finally won.

Hand the keys to the country over, we aren't America anymore.

Welp, the man has every right not to undergo the security procedure

and the airline has every right to tell the man to get walking.

thems the breaks..private industry, and frankly, if it was a public industry, I would expect measures to be taken so the giant torpedos in the sky don't become easily hijacked because they didn't want some moaning crybaby not wanting his "junk touched".

ya, I don't want my airplane hijacked...suck it up francis.

Originally posted by YourPopRock
I have to fly for work, I don't chose to buy tickets... I have to to facilitate work.

you don't -have- to work...don't like the conditions of the job...quit. pretty simple.

you choose to work, therefore you choose to fly, or sit next to someone with BO, or have to take taxi's, or whatever comes with the job you work with.

your the type of person that gets a job at a bar that allows people to smoke, then once your in the door, start complaining about the smoke. deal with it or go elsewhere is the only answer for you.

Originally posted by YourPopRock
What makes you think it is ok for this to be happening? Molestation by force!

One last comment.

If your calling this molestation, well...don't expect anyone to listen to you should you actually be complaining about real molestation.
keep crying wolf...cheapen your claim and the only one you end up burning is yourself.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Welp, the man has every right not to undergo the security procedure

and the airline has every right to tell the man to get walking.

I would agree with all of this EXCEPT that they also have the right to fine the man up to $10,000 usd for refusing the security options and taking that walk, once he starts the process... [ETA] We can thank the 9th Circuit Court for that post-9/11 Federal Law (which many of us probably didn't know anything about) until this incident occurred.

Not to mention that it has yet to be proven that the new measures have/will prevent anymore than the old measures have done...

Originally posted by LadySkadiI would agree with all of this EXCEPT that they also has the right to fine the man up to $10,000 usd for refusing the security options and taking that walk... that is unacceptable.

Not to mention that it has yet to be proven that the new measures have/will prevent anymore than the old measures have done...

edit on 15-11-2010 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)

I suspect that threat is 100% nonsense...however, using their service allows them to nestle all sorts of clauses in there for disruption of service or whatever else they can think of

I do not agree with the fine...frankly, if you want to opt out at any given moment, you should be able to and be charged only what monitary cost you personally caused the flight (if your in the actual plane as its ready to roll, and you make a ruckus and singlehandedly delay the plane, sure...deal with a lawsuit..but this is not that).

But that is neither here nor there...the security measures are the least of my concerns...and ya, if someone wasn't wanting a standard law enforcement pat down or a advanced scanner..you know...I wouldn't be overly comfortable with that person boarding my flight...

Does it work? hmm..maybe..maybe not. its certainly not easy and its hard to figure out how well something is at preventing something...if its preventing something.

I am not a fan of like 95% of the security measures taken after 9/11. this however I am not concerned about because it is a choice to fly.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Ah, I was editing as you responded.

The fine - that's for violation of a federal law (thank the 9th circuit court) for the post-9/11 law that states once someone starts the security process, they cannot choose to "walk out" before it's complete. Until today, I'd never even heard of it...

reply to post by YourPopRock


NO its not ok for a TSA agent to feel you up. The TSA and its policies violate the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. You have the right to not be subject to illegal searches and seizures.

I'm sorry But the TSA agent that told the guy that shot the footage that is now all over the news is WRONG! You do not surrender ANY RIGHTS when you buy a plane ticket these days and that agent should go back to school and learn about the constitution!

Just buying a plane ticket is NOT PROBABLE CAUSE to warrant searching Anyone.

I truly hope that the TSA actually sues the guy and i hope he wins against the TSA. The TSA is just another program the government uses to waste money on. The TSA has done nothing to increase security on an airplane. every failed attempt by a "terrorist" since 9/11 has been foiled by the flight crews or the passengers on the plane! Not some high school dropouts on the ground hired by the goberment!

reply to post by LadySkadi


and the court is once again wrong! it is not illegal to opt out of an illegal search! and any TSA agent that performs searches should be arrested and imprisoned for performing illegal searches. and the judge that ruled it was illegal to opt out should be removed from the bench and his ass thrown in jail as well!

I don't like the rules either but you either follow them or take a train. Easy choice really.

I wonder though, all this came about from 9/11. 9/11 came about from Islamist extremeists posing as Americans whilst not conforming to American belief.

Any immigration is good how?

Point here is check back to why these new and stupid rules are in place now, what will come shortly and then ask if those that oppossed immigration and Muslim intergaration were in fact bigots?

This is complete bullsheet. That guy in the suit threatening to sue this man if he tries to leave the airport can personally suck my genitals. If this is where we are headed, I'd much rather see terrorists kill a few thousand more people instead. It's not worth it. Go Team Al-Qaida.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Welp, the man has every right not to undergo the security procedure

and the airline has every right to tell the man to get walking.

thems the breaks..private industry, and frankly, if it was a public industry, I would expect measures to be taken so the giant torpedos in the sky don't become easily hijacked because they didn't want some moaning crybaby not wanting his "junk touched".

ya, I don't want my airplane hijacked...suck it up francis.

The airlines are not the issue. Airline personnel have also been protesting the move towards more physical pat downs, as their staff are concerned about the risks of daily exposure to the full-body scanners.

The TSA - a US government agency - is responsible for this move. The Airlines have nothing to do with it.

I think the world has gone mad. I'm reading comments where people want this John Tyner to "shut up and take his screening like a grown man" and "deal with it, this is the way our world is now".

So many people willing to give up freedoms and privacy all due to fear. People are willing to submit to being treated like a criminal. Unfortunately when I fly back home to see family I will have no choice but to submit to it.

reply to post by YourPopRock

I still fly. Last time I flew was to Denver. I took a Viagra, didn't wear underwear and refused the scan! They got more than they were looking for on my "pat-down", they grabbed at it for a little bit trying to figure out what it was until they finally realized. They turned BRIGHT RED and said "ok, you are free to go" to which I said "but don't you owe me breakfast?" It was AWESOME! I might do it one more time and have a buddy video the whole thing.

Dear god I cried laughing..

The creepiest part of all this is the bland robotic voice over the pa system exactly like the movies.

reply to post by Aisling

So many people willing to give up freedoms and privacy all due to fear. People are willing to submit to being treated like a criminal. Unfortunately when I fly back home to see family I will have no choice but to submit to it. So many people willing to give up freedoms and privacy all due to fear. People are willing to submit to being treated like a criminal. Unfortunately when I fly back home to see family I will have no choice but to submit to it.

I wonder how many pedophiles rapists an pervs never raise the suspicions of the law, I also wonder how many of these type of people apply for this type of job.

I also wonder whether feeling up a nun is a task fought over by these "officers".

If I were to be groped by one of these people and happened to ejaculate, who would be committing an offense ?

Didn't George Michael get arrested for this sort of behavior ?

Remind me not to bring my family to the USA