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reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:08 PM by hawkiye
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne





What I'm wondering, is why can't the same be done for other things? Why can't the people sign a petition in each state for laws that would prevent the banks from pillaging us? Why can't the people sign a petition that stops the Federal government from prosecuting people for marijuana? Isn't there a legal way to change laws without having to convince a single representative in your district to go to Washington and relay your concerns?


They can and have like in Oregon and CA etc. the problem is the State and Local LE will not protect the citizens from the Feds illegally enforcing federal law in the states. Like the medical marijuana growers who got permits from the state but the DEA still busted them and the state did nothing. The federal government has no lawful authority in the states but federal bribe money, ignorance, and cronysim keep the state and local LE from kicking the Feds out of the states and protecting thier citizens.

A few local Sheriffs have stood up to the feds in some counties across the country and won. Sheriff Mack won a landmark Supreme Court case cementing the local Sheriffs authority over the Feds and even the states. So there is means to combat this stuff but again not enough people will act and that is the major obstacle to any real change.


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:13 PM by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Originally posted by boondock-saint
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post by SonOfTheLawOfOne


You do know you are NOT fighting
a man don't you??

You are fighting a beast
and his name is Lucifer.

The only way to defeat Lucifer
is through divine intervention.

You are suggesting using mortal
means to combat a fallen angel.

Remember, who's the bigger badder snake?


Everything has a weakness and real strength has always been in numbers.

I don't care if it's Lucifer himself, a man, a beast or a snake boondock... we need to act. Talk has become cheap.

Again, I look at the marijuana vote this coming week. That had been talked about for a decade, and finally, one man, decided to work the system and that is exactly what he did, and somehow, it ended up on the ballot for a vote by the people.

Can't the same thing be done to protect us? Can't we come up with a simple idea that would either protect us or de-fang the elites and the corporatists? There HAS to be.

I remember a story about a pharaoh... he wanted a way to be able to tell apart the slaves from everyone else in his kingdom. He consulted one of his "wise men" about marking the slaves with something to identify them. The wise man told the pharaoh something along the lines of "Don't do that, because then the slaves would know how many they number and would quickly see that they could overpower us."

The pharaoh ditched the idea. Why can't WE do something similar without ditching the idea this time?

~Namaste


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:16 PM by hawkiye
Originally posted by boondock-saint
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post by SonOfTheLawOfOne


You do know you are NOT fighting
a man don't you??

You are fighting a beast
and his name is Lucifer.

The only way to defeat Lucifer
is through divine intervention.

You are suggesting using mortal
means to combat a fallen angel.

Remember, who's the bigger badder snake?

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 10/29/2010 by boondock-saint because: added url


Lots of people say the Colonist won the American revolution through divine intervention, the point is the Colonist still had to act. As teh saying goes God helps those who help themselves. God does not do for man what man can do for himself. So if you want divine intervention you must do all you can too.



reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:25 PM by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by hawkiye



And as Ghandi said - "Be the change you want to see in the world."

So how do you get 150+ million people (the "thinkers") to mobilize for a single idea?

I'm seeing how starting with smaller more localized movements would work, but one obstacle I see there is the cities. In small towns and counties, it would be easier to get people to pick a good-ol boy from the area who will stick up for them against the Fed and others. But the cities are much harder to win because of diversion of people and their perception of things. How could you take the same "posse" approach in the bigger cities where much larger portions of the voting public exist? You would need to convince them as well.

~Namaste


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:25 PM by wcitizen
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I urge you to change your mindset from one of being conditioned to believe they are all powerful and we can do nothing, because it simply isn't true. This is a very negative message, my friend.


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:33 PM by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by Stillalive
you do understand what we would choose to agree on, we need to make all other people do it too.
so that means a quickly done massive campaign,on facebook even (not that its hard,hell ill do it)
people from european cityes like hague are all about peoples rights so theyr bound to support
canadians and french and sweden/denmark too.

i propose we start with a massive BOYCOT/BAN of a certain brand.
we just choose a company that is really evil for us,and stop buying anything from it,and start to ridicule it on sites like facebook and everywhere. see? its not that hard to do

and i want to apply to nominate my self as a leader for such campaign, i have the public image and charisma XD to influence people to join
lets rock!


This is something you could get going straight away....why wait? Great idea. Sort of starting with one - we need something that people might be willing to support globally. One successful global action would be a fantastic achievement.


Yes, but there is one small problem with this approach....

The elites are all about eliminating competition and they also have planned for the loss of a few "nodes" here and there. If you were to boycott one corporation, the business would just shift to another and that corporation would likely be owned by the same people. It would be like taking your wallet out of your left back pocket and putting it in the right... this is how TPTB have things structured.

Why do you think there is Nike and Reebok? McDonalds and Burger King? They get most of their products from the same exact suppliers, but as long as they create the illusion of choice, we consumers are happy. If there were just a McDonalds but no Burger King (or other burger place), what would people do when they think McDonalds sucks? The greedy corporatists can't just let that person go on their merry way, hell no, they HAVE to squeeze that money from them. This is why the same people who fund and create businesses do this, it's so it doesn't appear to be a monopoly but really, it is. For people who don't like BK, there is McD's, and vice versa. For people who don't like Nike, there is Reebok, and vice versa. The illusion of choice, when both are really the same thing... food, and shoes. It's the same thing with political parties... you THINK you can choose one if you don't like the other, but really, it's the same puppet on hands belonging to the same person. As long as they give you the illusion of choice, people will always feel like their ideologies are represented when really, both parties just care about the money and supporting the banks that keep it flowing. We need to do something to change this.

What would a ballot initiative look like that could protect the people from obscene greed?

~Namaste


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:44 PM by Witness2008
Here is a plan of attack by a financial adviser going by the name of Edmundo Braverman. dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com...

The idea would be to go after one bank in order to send a message to the rest. I'm not sure these guerrilla tactics would have any long term effects. Banks could just refuse to let you have your money...thereby making a lot of folks angry but succeeding at nothing more than revealing how powerful the financial industry is. People will back off because what is in that checking account is more important then sending a message. I could be wrong.

And as for the bank run in Europe on Dec. 7th why would any bank open up for business on that day. TPTB count on this type of uprising so they can pass additional laws that protect them.

I believe that refusal to pay interest on anything you purchase is the better solution as it forces permanent change within the system and society....and I believe this is underway already. If you don't borrow you can't be leveraged and then tossed into the commodities pile. Non-violent Non-cooperation.


reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:44 PM by hawkiye
Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to
post by hawkiye



And as Ghandi said - "Be the change you want to see in the world."

So how do you get 150+ million people (the "thinkers") to mobilize for a single idea?

I'm seeing how starting with smaller more localized movements would work, but one obstacle I see there is the cities. In small towns and counties, it would be easier to get people to pick a good-ol boy from the area who will stick up for them against the Fed and others. But the cities are much harder to win because of diversion of people and their perception of things. How could you take the same "posse" approach in the bigger cities where much larger portions of the voting public exist? You would need to convince them as well.

~Namaste



Well as I have said you have to set an example. If you knew of a place where this was working would you consider moving there? The hard part is getting it started and working. Once that happens then people will flock to it to be free. The cities will come along later as they see the success of the smaller communities. This is why I have said it will not happen over night or all at once. Someone has to create a working model first and that is a monumental task. It seems impossible and that is why all you hear is why it won't work from all the nay sayers.

That is why I say it could take a hundred years to fully implement. But someone or group has to initiate it and stay focused on it come hell or high water, and it could take more then on lifetime to fully realize its completion.
edit on 29-10-2010 by hawkiye because: corrections



reply posted on 29-10-2010 @ 03:45 PM by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by wcitizen



This is the same question I'm asking here in this thread.

These massively huge corporations don't donate money to local charities to support their communities, they do it for tax breaks. They don't hire people to feed the economy, they do it to increase their bottom line and profits through production - more people means you can produce more. The people who run these corporations aren't doing any of the "work", they are simple decision makers. I have sat with MANY CEO's from across the spectrum and I can tell you that most of them are just glorified managers who usually found themselves in a seat of power thanks to people they knew, not what they have accomplished or know how to do. In my opinion, the CEO of a company should be able to do just about every single person's job within the organization, or at least have a much smaller learning curve than someone coming off the street. Good luck finding that guy! Most don't have a clue and if you dropped them into any position below them, they wouldn't know what to do. They are good at two things - looking at people as numbers and finding ways to put more money in the pockets of the people who immediately surround them. Don't get me wrong, there are a few good guys out there, but they are declining in numbers quickly.

A CEO comes up with a plan to save a company millions of dollars, increasing profits and providing money to shareholders. How? By laying off a few hundred or thousand people. What does that do for the local economy? Why has it become acceptable that you can cut a job, possibly destroy a family and local economy before CEO's take a cut in the obscene pay that they give themselves? We allow this thinking that the guys that get paid more are better at running the business when that is furthest from the truth. These guys are out playing golf, having $500 lunches, driving free cars, taking free trips, all expensed by the company and being taken from the pool of money that could be given to employees or removed from the cost of the final products.

I digress....

~Namaste
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