After seeing what the French are planning for December 7th (StopBanque), I felt it was time to start a thread here on ATS for a much needed topic. It
seems that a spark has ignited a fire, and could possibly lead to a movement of monumental proportions, and there are a lot of brilliant people here
on ATS that could be the founders of something much larger.
There has been a lot of back and forth about the impact, if any, that a planned run on the banks would have. I feel as though this is too narrow in
scope and we need to think bigger.
This is the reason for this thread.
It's time to collectively "circle the wagons" of the minds here on ATS to work together to come up with a PLAN on how to send a crystal clear
message to TPTB all over the world, something along the lines of the Dec. 7th plan, or perhaps something bigger, but something that every person/slave
in the world can take part in.
We all know things need to change, but how? What would it REALLY take, and not some off-the-hip-couch-logic, but deep critical thinking on what
the options are and what the consequences could be. Let's all contribute ideas, not criticize someone else's ideas, and collaborate on a set of
plans and possible outcomes. Every great change throughout history started with the ideas of men and women, so if we ever expect things to change,
it's time to stop complaining about it and really think about what it would take to change it or send a message to the people who can.
All I ask is that you please provide real feedback, not just one or two lines of comments, and provide sources of information to educate others who
may be interested in following. My hope is that this post is taken seriously and doesn't degrade into personal attacks. This isn't meant to be a
"revolution" thread or to overthrow governments or anything like that. Even slaves throughout history have had their voices heard... it's our
I've always thought that the best way to send a message would be a large scale stand-down of U.S. Citizens for an entire day, at least.
Meaning: no one goes to work. No one goes shopping or out to eat. No one even turns on a television. Everyone just gets with their closest family
and friends and does something productive or relaxing for the day.
This would show them that we don't HAVE to be part of their "system" of laziness, money expenses, and corporate control.
Let's start off by discussing what happens if everyone were to withdraw all monies that they have in the bank by December 7th? Would the impact from
this be enough?
My assumption is that this would only work if you could get the largest holders of deposits to do this. It seems that it would be more effective to
move the money into smaller local banks, but don't they also go through the Federal Reserve?
That's a good idea! But do you think that a day would be enough of a period of time to get the message out?
What do you think it would take to orchestrate such an event? How would you convince everyone in the masses not to spend any money for an entire day?
If you coupled what you're saying along with everyone taking their money out for a day, I think that would be an extremely powerful message.
Let's start off by discussing what happens if everyone were to withdraw all monies that they have in the bank by December 7th? Would the
impact from this be enough?
You would hurt the common people that didn't withdraw their money, you would hurt the employees of the banks...the tellers, the loan officers, the
custodians....not the powerful "bankers"...just the common workers.
I don't understand how you think this would hurt anyone besides "common folk".
So as I've asked others, what would you propose to get people on board with such an idea? If everyone had a plan to shop for their food a week in
advance, took their money out, did all of the shopping they wanted in advance... I think that could work?
The problem is that nobody has a plan right now, so people are all ready to get on board with something if they really think it will work. I'm hoping
this thread will evolve into a plan AND show people quite easily how and why it will work. Can that be done? That's what I'm here to find out.
I originally posted this in the other thread . . . but it seems worthy of repeating here . .. .
Originally posted by GoalPoster
Interesting theory, but I’m wondering exactly how many people actually have money left in the bank to withdraw.
It is generally believed that approximately fifty percent of people live
paycheck to paycheck. Further, less
than a third of all wage earners are able to set aside $100 per month in savings.
Now, there are a lot of people who say the blame for that predicament falls squarely on those who are living beyond their means.
Here's an interesting point. Many of those unable to save are home owners with mortgages. If you assume they've got a $150,000 mortgage at the
current interest rate ammortized over 25 years, you're paying on average $250 a month in interest. And, that figure is rather skewed because at the
front end of a mortgage, your interest payments are actually higher with less going toward the principle. As your mortgage is paid down, those
numbers invert. Guess who's getting your hard-earned dollars.
Who is it that tells you that a mortgage is 'good debt'?
Who is it good for?
Certainly not us. I challenge anyone here to tell me how working my arse off to give somebody else my money is 'good' for me. How many of you would
randomly toss $5 bills out your car window just for the heck of it, after somebody said it was a 'good thing' to do? It is a really really really
Now, start adding interest on car loans, credit card interest, student loans interest, lines of credit and the like and your numbers really start
adding up. Add to that the statutory withholdings that go to income tax and the like and I can pretty much bet that half of what you earn is gone
before you even see it.
Think about it . . . those who work Monday through Friday actually spend your time lining the pockets of everyone but yourself until about noon on
It's the system, folks. It sucks and we're the only ones who can say enough is enough. Stop the madness . . . the stupidity . . . end this endless
charade of rolling onto our backs like beaten dogs just for the right to get kicked in the arse again and again and again.
Here's a doozy . . . If you have a credit card and pay off the balance monthly, you're credit score is actually lower than if you carry a balance.
Banks look 'favorably' on those who carry a balance and penalize your credit rating of you pay off monthly. Can you see the bullcrap there? Forced
into paying the banks interest so you can have a good enough reputation for them to loan you more money so they can collect more interest and enslave
you for most of your life. Hell, they've even got cute little guys in tights on television singing about how to pay somebody to tell you if your
credit score is good enought for you to go buy something so you can pay more interest thus leaving less for you and lining the pockets of some
over-fed fat-arsed banker.
Too big to fail my ass . . . there's another fallacy into which too many people have bought . . . more like too big to ingnore because we'll take
away your campaign financing and you'll have to go to work like the rest of us schleps . . . (my apologies for the digression . . . but I'm pissed!)
Oh yeah, for those keeping score at home . . . that $150,000 mortgage will cost you approximately $78,000 in interest over the life of that mortgage.
Meanwhile, back at the outhouse, most of us can't save a dime.
Where does it all end?
In my humble opinion, it isn't by hauling my $78.57 out of my bank account and hoping that everyone else does the same thing to send a 'message' to
the bankers. You'd be better off writing You suck and I hate you on a paper and jamming it down the neck of a wine bottle and floating
it out to sea. It'll have the same end result. Somebody will eventually get that 'message' and giggle their fool ass off at the sender.
The only way to put an end to it is to get off the treadmill.
We must collectively say 'no more' to the banks. No more interest. No more buying on credit. No more working half of our careers away to feed those
who sit on their collective arses and make money from us by taking some of that money every month and paying the media to tell us what we need to buy
. . . the shiny new car . . . the $150 pair of sneakers . . . the $500 cell phone that we pay another $70 a month to use . . . the 60-inch plasma
television so we're all comfortable in watching them continually tell us what we need to buy . . . what we need to get . . . how big our house should
be . . . what prepared tastey foods to eat . . .
Stop the madness.
About two years ago, I had somewhat of an epiphany in that I sat down and figured out how much I was paying in interest just to survive (well, survive
according to their rules). I said enough is enough. I cut up every credit card I owned and struggled like hell to pay them off. I've got a year to go
on two leased cars after which I will never lease again, and never buy an new vehicle again rather I'll get me a relatively reliable vehicle and
learn how to keep it together for as long as possible until I have to get another relatively reliable vehicle and let the cycle begin again. I will
pay my mortgage off as soon as humanely possible so as to not give the greedy fat-cats a single cent more of my money than I have to. If I'm
'amputating' anything, it's going to be the feeding tube running from my wallet to the nineth chin on some Wall Street fat cat.
If I can't afford to pay for something in cash, I will not buy it. I don't need steak three times a week, rather I've become rather adept at
economical meals such as pasta . . . soups . . . stews . . . and the like. I've cut my food bills by a third. I only buy things 'on sale' and stock
up on the essentials. So I've got 200 rolls of crap-wipe in my basement but I can assure you I didn't buy any of that toilet paper at 'regular
price'. Same goes with canned goods, dried pasta, cooking supplies and any other disposable goods I may use down the road.
I have a fireplace that remains stoked most of the winter, effectively cutting my heating bills in half and I keep the curtains open during the day to
help heat in the winter months. The same curtains remain closed in the summer to help keep things cool.
The reality is that the banks have their fingers in every level of our lives . . . from the loans they're gouging interest from the farmers . . . the
bailouts to the folks that build our cars . . . the construction industry that builds our houses, roads and infrastructure . . . right down to the
governments that spend way beyond their means to keep us living the life that the 'powers that be' tell us we need to live.
I challenge everyone on ATS . . . and beyond . . . to take a few hours this weekend to get out a paper and pencil and figure out what they're doing
fiscally on their own front to stop the madness. Find out where you can save a few bucks here and there daily. By the end of the month, that adds up.
Use that money to get out of debt. Pay off those cards. Get rid of those lines of credit. Wipe out those interest-burdened mortgage payments and start
keeping your money for you.
Put it in a shoe box, pencil case, safe, pocketbook, money belt . . . use it to stock up on the things you'll need when (not if) they system implodes
because it is coming. We cannot sustain the way we live. It is not possible.
Taking your pittance out of banks is a nice message, but at the end of the day, the banks still have you by the short-n-curlies.
The only way to hit them hard is to stop feeding them your hard earned money.
Yes, there are ramifications of doing this, but it in the grand scheme of things, it is the shortest term pain to correct a system that is fraught
with greed, thievery, and trickery.
Stop feeding the monster, folks.
It is the only way it will change.
That, my friends, is what I think the 'plan' should be.
Please explain how this would hurt the "common folk"? The tellers and bankers and officials would still come to work, they would still get paid by
the banks, so I don't see how this would effect them if it were only for a day or two, even a week.
The idea of taking money from the banks is that they can't use it "behind our backs" to do whatever they please, profit obscenely from it, and
never share any of the wealth. They are making money by doing nothing, using our money to do so, and charging us to do it. That is not an instrument
of banking, that is a total con-job and flat out thievery. People are sick of it, and I am willing to bet you that if the banks were paying us the
interest they charge us for loans, to use our money, we'd have a totally different game being played and they wouldn't be so quick to ask for your
So I ask, what would your suggestion(s) be? What do you think would send a message to the right people? And what should that message look like?
I have always wandered what would happen if everyone defaulted on their credit card debt. Most everyone simply pays interest when they send their
payments in. Wealthy folks tend not to pay interest....we the slaves keep the money flowing for the banks. non-violent non-cooperation.
This depends on how much you own on the credit card.
Usually, someone from the credit card company or bank from the risk department will determine, based on many factors, whether the amount they could
recover from you should they take you to court would be enough to fight you for the money. If not, they write it off and ruin your credit and harass
you for a while. Then they sell your debt after a year, maybe 2, to a collection agency who will get paid if they can collect the debt. Otherwise,
nothing happens to you. The money never existed in the first place.
Usually, a credit card company will not fight you for less than $5K, but sometimes they will. There are ways to deal with creditors and loopholes can
be exploited by the consumer to preserve their credit.
From a previous post... good information in the links provided.
The Great Depression and the bank runs that came about, were purposely carried out by none other than JP Morgan! History anyone??? It was rumors
spread by JP Morgan that the banks were completely broke which was what caused people to run out and take their money from the banks, and it was done
intentionally to craft the beginnings of the Federal Reserve.
Why you ask?
The main reason was to get the Federal Reserve created. But this had to be done through a carefully crafted plan. If everyone believes the banks are
broke, they will take their money out of the bank and hold on to it, causing an excess amount of cash to enter the money pool. This is what causes the
value of the dollar to go down (because there are so many more of them available), which in turn causes the hidden tax of inflation. When that
happens, the same exact gallon of milk or gas costs you double the amount of paper cash (because the dollar is worth half of what it was), but did the
amount of milk produced change? Did the demand change? NO!!! There is still the same milk coming from the same cows in the same amounts with the same
amount of supply and demand, which is the cornerstone of economics. This is where the problem resides.
Now look at the big picture on this for a moment... in the above scenario, you've just given twice the number of dollars to the supermarket for the
same food you bought a week ago, who gives twice the amount to the farmers and food companies, who then puts twice the amount of dollars back in the
bank. So without doing anything but spreading a rumor, JP Morgan and his banking pals just got double the paper cash from every single person all the
way from the consumer to the manufacturer for the same things you were buying last week.
Next, the banks start holding those dollars and stop giving out as many loans, not completely closing the tap because that would look suspicious....
why would they do this?
Because too many loans would keep the inflation level the same by keeping the money in the pool, and that doesn't serve the purpose of the
So they keep the money, thus reducing the amount of cash being put back into the money pool. So what happens next because of that?
Less money in the pool means the value of the dollar goes UP!
What does that mean for you and I?
It means we just gave away more money for nothing... literally, nothing!
What does it do for the banksters?
It doubles the worth of the money THEY are holding after YOU AND I have had to spend it all to survive.
Deflation kicks back in eventually (after enough money has been collectively gathered from the pool), just coincidentally before a full blown
revolution breaks out, and then the money becomes worth something again, and the banksters now have ten times the wealth that they had prior and
people forget what happened because they are happy and complacent that they can live somewhat normal lives once again. This has been going on since
the inception of the Fed here in the US, and longer than that in Europe and other countries with centralized fractional reserve banking.
While I'm on my rant, the whole bailout thing was the biggest scam ever and not only that, it wasn't the first time it's happened! Has anyone ever
heard of Amtrak? Just one example but a good one. Well, a little history on that will reveal that the same big banks of today stood in front of our
government in the 70's because Penn Central Railroad (aka Conrail), which was a giant at the time, was going under and needed to be bailed out with
hundreds of millions in federal money because "they were too big to fail" and it would cause a domino effect on the economy. (I'm not making this
up, look it up yourself) The REAL reason is because the big banks had poured "real" money into Conrail as investment capital and were in danger of
losing it all, so rather than cut their losses, they decided to get paid back through the tax payers. Since the banks only had a certain amount of
actual money in reserves, but had loaned out so much to Conrail, they were "upside down" and would go bankrupt without intervention. In return for
Congress helping the banks to fund Conrail through the tax payer, the government took part ownership of Contrail. After everything was said and done,
the tax payer's taxes paid the banks back the money they lost (on a poor investment decision), the federal government got a bread basket that they
could continue to sink grossly inflated costs into using tax payer money for decades to come, and we get Amtrak to ride on for outrageous amounts of
money EVEN THOUGH at the same time, our taxes still pay the billions it costs to operate it year after year. Does any of this sound familiar? It also
happened with several other businesses and banks, and it's happening again now thanks to the banksters and their friends in Congress.
These "people" (if that's what you call them) are narcissistic. They look at us as children that need to be taken care of because they see us as
being too stupid to do things the "right way", which is how they think things should be done. We are nothing more than slaves to them. They see
themselves as god-like because of their money and power, thinking that because everyone else doesn't have the same money and power, that there is
something "special" about them that puts them above everyone else. The biggest problem is that they have enough money and assets and properties to
survive extended recessions, depressions, bank runs and anything else you can throw at them. This is what makes it so hard is because we've allowed
them this much control and the only way out is, as history has shown us, a massively bloody revolt where many people will turn against the elites and
take from them what has been taken from us for decades, if not centuries. It has happened before, and with good results in most cases, but we have
I encourage everyone to check out the following links and video (video explains things perfectly imo):
My hope is that history serves as an example and the people will revolt. Yes, it could be bloody, yes there could be violence, yes it could be hard
(what revolution isn't?)... but in the end, it would be worth it to be truly and completely free once again than to be slaves to the people
who print the paper that we all find so damn important.
you do understand what we would choose to agree on, we need to make all other people do it too.
so that means a quickly done massive campaign,on facebook even (not that its hard,hell ill do it)
people from european cityes like hague are all about peoples rights so theyr bound to support
canadians and french and sweden/denmark too.
i propose we start with a massive BOYCOT/BAN of a certain brand.
we just choose a company that is really evil for us,and stop buying anything from it,and start to ridicule it on sites like facebook and everywhere.
see? its not that hard to do
and i want to apply to nominate my self as a leader for such campaign, i have the public image and charisma XD to influence people to join
Who is "suggesting an uprising" against banks? Nobody here is...
This is just to get the wheels turning and get people to discuss ways to send a message, and some are talking about not spending or taking money out
for a short period or moving it to local banks. How is that suggestive of an uprising and who says I can't do whatever I want with my money along
with everyone else?
Again, this is to get ideas and feedback from people, not criticize what someone else's ideas might be. None here have suggested an "uprising".
The problem is there is no reasonably fast solution. This is going to take a hundred years to sort out. Like withdrawing money from the bank on a
certain day. Not enough people will do it to make it effective.
What needs to happen in my opinion is a group needs to set up an example society to show others it can be done. I have proposed people moving to a
certain county electing thier people to the county offices and then implementing the new model, a shining city on a hill. As others see it working
and the benefits they will want to follow suit.
Still this is unlikely to happen again simply because not enough people will do it. The free state project is a variation of this and it has gone
nowhere. A small fraction of the people who voted on it actually moved to New Hampshire to implement the pan.
it is good plan but will take decades and most likely a century. Along the way we may have some serious setbacks. Many people hope for a civil war
but this would be a huge set back rather then a move forward. It is probably best this will be a long process, but frustrates the hell out of those of
us who want to be free now. As long as people can trade FRN's for goods and services they will continue to do so.
Sorry to be the wet blanket but I have been trying to get people involved in doing something like this for over 20 years and the bottom line is lots
of people talk but very few will act when it comes to any possible risk of thier status quo. I don't blame them no one wants to go backward in hopes
of taking a leap forward but risking a huge set back.
Nothing will change much for the better until people are feeling enough pain however then we run the risk of things changing for the worse if chaos or
civil war breaks out.
On a positive note and in the interest of solutions in the meantime I suggest people band together in small communities where they can and work on
becoming more self sufficient and less dependant on our current centralized model of production. It is a healthier and more satisfying life style and
one need not live in primitive conditions to do so. There are leaps and bounds being made in off grid energy and sustainable living. this is a good
area to be involved in and help move us forward. The more people who are self sufficient the better off we will be when the currency finishes
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