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Originally posted by The_Zomar
Ever hear of the Manhattan project? That required far more people than 9-11 would have and it was kept a secret.
When President John F. Kennedy threatened the "High Cabal" by toppling their Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, firing Allen Dulles as head of the CIA, and making plans to take control of the Federal Reserve System, he was assassinated. The U.S. Secret Service, in violation of their own rules and procedures,
in collusion with the ruling plutocrats, deliberately failed to protect President Kennedy. The Secret Service knowingly escorted him in an open car around a hairpin turn into the sights of paid assassins, who fired by military-style triangulation.
In the aftermath of the bloody assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963, over 200 eyewitnesses and sources were themselves murdered, obliterating possible testimony, contrary to the falsified Warren Report.
JFK was assassinated because the "High Cabal" wanted to regain its stranglehold on the country.
The Kennedy "assassination has demonstrated that most of the major events of world
significance are masterfully planned and orchestrated by an elite coterie of enormously powerful people who are not of one nation, one ethnic grouping, or one overridingly important business group. They are a power unto themselves for whom those others work. Neither is this power elite of recent origin. Its roots go deep into the past.”
L. Fletcher Prouty. JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy
On Sunday August 31, 2008, only a few days ago, Kenny Johannemann, allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
Daily News Reports on Johannemann's suicide
Like William Rodriguez, Kenny Johannemann was working as a janitor at the World Trade Center towers on September 11th and was an eye witness to explosions in the towers. In the video linked below Kenny clearly states that a second explosion occurred in the second tower 10 minutes after an explosion in the first tower. As he speaks the towers are visible behind him, both have been hit by planes, but neither has been demolished yet.
When questioned further Kenny makes it clear that he is NOT talking about airplane impacts, but rather explosions in the basement. He describes how he was down in the basement and witnessed the elevator blow up and he dragged a man out whose skin was hanging off. This is identical to the story that Rodriguez tells and Kenny may have been helping Rodriquez with the rescue efforts.
Brasscheck TV's video of Johannemann's TV interview on 9/11
Kenny is recognized by ABM Janitorial Services, his employer
Johannemann's suicide note seems very suspicious to me ...
Photograph of Johannemann's suicide note
I'm guessing that Kenny has been killed as a message to other witnesses.
The perpetrators must be getting very anxious if they have begun to silence key witnesses.
My response to the perpetrators:
Be afraid, be very afraid
investigating the death of a Minot Air Force Base airman who died while on leave in Virginia.
Base officials say 20-year-old Airman 1st Class Todd Blue died Monday while visiting family members in Wytheville, Virginia.
Blue enlisted in the Air Force in March of last year and joined the 5th Security Forces at Minot Air Force Base the following August.
Information on how Blue died has not been released.
Dr. David Graham, a dentist in Shreveport, Louisiana, said that he had met three of the 9/11 hijackers a year before the attacks at a home in Shreveport. He became suspicious of them (he thought they were planning attacks on nearby Barksdale AFB) and contacted the FBI.
The man who hosted the hijackers in Shreveport was a Pakistani named Jamal Khan. In 2004, Khan pled guilty to hiding cash transfers to Pakistan, and in an unusual plea deal the government stated that nothing in this deal would absolve Khan from any future prosecution regarding the attacks of September 11.
Dr. Graham apparently met Khan in conjunction with the 9/11 conspirators and was set to testify against him at a deportation hearing sometime in 2004, following Khan's conviction on the money transfer charge. He was also trying to publish a manuscript about meeting the three men and his contacts with the FBI.
LIST SO FAR
Barry Jennings (Eyewitness to explosions and bodies inside WTC7) -- Undisclosed causes
Kenneth Johannemann (Eyewitness to explosions inside WTC, Saw no airplanes hit but just saw "floors blow up") -- Gunshot to the head, ruled a suicide
Beverly Eckert (Wife of 9/11 WTC Victim, Earwitness to WTC Explosion, Refused hush money) -- Airplane crash
Prasanna Kalahasthi (Wife of 9/11 "Flight 11 Passenger") -- Suicide by hanging
David Graham (Dentist who saw three of the 9/11 Hijackers with Pakistani businessman in Shreveport, Louisiana) -- Murdered (Poisoned with anti-freeze)
Paul Smith (Pilot of WABC7's 9/11 "International Shot" Chopper) -- Car accident
Michael H. Doran (9/11 Victims Lawyer) -- Airplane crash
Bertha Champagne (Longtime babysitter for 911 Perp Marvin Bush's family) -- Crushed by a car
Christopher Landis (Former Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for the Virginia Department of Transportation, Interviewed by makers of "The Pentacon", Gave makers of "The Pentacon" a photo collection, Involved in the response to the Pentagon attack) -- Suicide
John P. O'Neill (FBI Counter-terrorism expert, Obsessed with catching Osama Bin Laden, Suspected Clinton/Bush/FBI complicity in the cover-up and protection of Bin Laden) -- Died in the WTC on 9/11
Deborah Palfrey (Ran an escort service that had 911 Perps on it's list) -- Suicide by hanging
David Wherley (US General who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11) -- Train crash
Un-named Ticket Agent (Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari) -- Suicide
Suzanne Jovin (Yale Student who had a thesis about Osama Bin Laden, Her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative) -- Murdered (Killer unknown)
Perry Kucinich (Brother of Congressman who advocated new 9/11 investigation) -- Fell down
Salvatore Princiotta (9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9) -- Murdered
Ezra Harel (Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports) -- Heart attack
Bruce Ivins (Patsy in the 9/11-linked "Anthrax" Case) -- Drug overdose
...and yes dick gave an order that resulted in not shooting down a plane that crashed in to pentagon ...
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by zerbot565
riddle me this
why did your vice president give the stand down order several times ?
Riddle me this- why do you supposed "truthers" have an overwhelming need to manipulate and misrepresent the evidence to your liking? You are deliberately quoting this out of context to give the false impression you want to give, but when we look at the full quote, an entirely different story than the one being artfully presented emerges:
MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --
MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --
MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.
MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.
MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.
And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.
MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.
MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.
MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.
MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.
...so the stand down order was for commercial aircraft and there was a specific order to shoot down the hijacked aircraft. Mineta even said he first believed the plane that crashed in Shanksville had been shot down.
Those damned fool conspiracy web sites you get this drivel from never told you this, did they?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by zerbot565
Can I jump in, and ask you to explain how you get this, after reading through that transcript w/Mineta??:
...and yes dick gave an order that resulted in not shooting down a plane that crashed in to pentagon ...
Because, as I read the full transcript, and putting it into context....the "standing order" at the time (unbeknownst to Mineta, at that moment --- although he inferred it, again from context) WAS to shoot down confirmed hijacked commercial airliners that were approaching the D.C. area.
The events in NYC were obvious, by then....and "dick" wanted American 77 (even if he didn't know the exact flight number) stopped. They didn't make it (the interceptors) in time.
The tone and questions from the aide....when it was "ten miles out" and "do the orders still stand" seem obvious to me...this aide KNEW that, if they managed to intercept and shoot it down at TEN MILES OUT, there would be a great deal of collateral damage inflicted to the outlying neighborhoods and suburbs.
Isn't that obvious to anyone else???
Keep in mind, too....that the most likely concern, in the heat and uncertainty of the moment, was the "House" (White House)...since it's such an obvious PR symbol. There are reports of orders to "protect the House at all costs" having been delivered down the chain of command.
Personally, I suspect the Capitol Building as more likely, since Congress was in session (and in the midst of being evacuated). Also, from the air (I have a certain amount of experience here) that building is far, far easier to spot than the WH. (**)..
(**) Oops --- edit to clarify, I meant that to reflect United 93's probable target...since clearly American 77 took concerted aim at, and succeeded in hitting, the Pentagon
edit on 21 September 2010 by weedwhacker because: (**)
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
9/11 was not an Inside Job. It was a False Flag event perpetrated by elements within various international as well as national Intelligence Agencies. "Inside Job" is a misleading phrase because only a very select few of US Government officials would have been in on the Conspiracy.
edit on 21/9/2010 by Dark Ghost because: i catn spell
If the timestamps on the tapes are to be believed, an explicit no-shoot order was given after Flight 93 had crashed, but while it was still believed that there might be other attacking planes in the air. As we shall see later, there is reason to question the timestamp. Perhaps the no-shoot order might actually have been given earlier, at a time when it could actually have caused harm? But for now I’ll assume that the timestamp is accurate.
It seems a lot of "conspiracy" sites think that it's a bunch of cowboy jet-jocks out there, all on their own and fully autonomous. Hollywoods distortions, once again.
Originally posted by wcitizen
You know, you present this as water tight evidence when if seen in its full context, it cleary isn.t.
The video of Mineta's testimony was heavily censored. Large parts were missed out. One thing which is definitely not clearly established in this video clip is which ordesr are being referred to when the young man asks Cheney, whether the orders still stand.
In fact, there is a video of a subsequent interview with Mneta by 9/11 Truth Seattle, in which he clearly states that when he overheard the conversation about the young man asking whether the order still stands, he thought it was about an order to shoot down, but that subequently he found out it was an order to stand down.
Originally posted by brokedown
That is just plain naive.
Why do sheeple always go to “ to many people to keep the secret “
ALL of the REAL“OUTTED” conspiracies show the same pattern. That is just a very few knew all the details of the complete plan. i.e. Manhattan Project, Tuskegee Airmen Project, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, I could go on and on with a litany of REAL CONSPIRICIES, proven factual, part of our history, that took hundreds and sometimes thousands of people to “Pull-off” including the Main Stream Media.