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Originally posted by OurManInGlasgow
Actually, the militant athiests I had in mind were more along the lines of people like Nazi eugenicists, Soviet (and indeed Western) psychiatrists. Only when you deny Man's spiritual nature and treat the person before you as nothing but a lump of meat without soul or spirit does it then become 'acceptable' and 'reasonable' to commit such atrocities as they do.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
The pople tells millions of Africans not to use condoms...in a country that suffers from AIDS like no other. Why not hand them a gun and tell them to shoot themselves, the end result would be the same. By saying something like that, he's a mass murderer imo...and should be punished as such.
Originally posted by blupblup
Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.
The Khmer Rouge government arrested, tortured and eventually executed anyone suspected of belonging to several categories of supposed "enemies":
* Professionals and intellectuals—in practice this included almost everyone with an education, or even people wearing glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they were literate).
* Ethnic Vietnamese, ethnic Chinese, ethnic Thai and other minorities in Eastern Highland, Cambodian Christians (most of whom were Catholic, and the Catholic Church in general), Muslims and the Buddhist monks.
Originally posted by OurManInGlasgow
First of all I don't think you have got the point I was making.
Secondly, athiesm is an ideology...it is principle, philosophy or belief system that people (namely, athiests) believe in. So that in that sense you could say it is just the same as Christianity, etc.
Finally can I ask you to stop saying that people don't kill, fight or die for athiesm, as it is simply and completely wrong. For example, the Khmer Rouge dictatorship which ruled Cambodia from 1975 to 1979, which sought sought to establish a classless, atheistic society moving forward "in great leaping bounds" towards an avowed goal of pure communism:
Atheism", from the Greek: * atheismos : noun, from
* a- : lacking, without, or not having something; akin to the English suffix "-less"
* theos : a god, deity, mighty magic entity
* -ismos : a state, quality, or condition; an "-ism"
Therefore, "atheism" is "the state, quality, or condition of being without a god or deity". "Atheos" would literally mean "godless", and "atheismos" ("atheism") would literally mean "godlessness".
Notice that the prefix "a-" does not mean "not" or "against". It's a common mistake to think so. That would require the use of the Greek prefix "anti-", such as in the term antikhristos ("antichrist").
Now, let's change that suffix. "Atheist", from the Greek:
* atheistês : noun, from atheismos +
* -istês : one who supports, subscribes to, or performs something
An "atheist", then, would be "a person who supports or subscribes to a godless state, quality, or condition". This does not necessarily mean that atheists positively believe that there is no god. It simply means that they advocate a lifestyle that is devoid of one. They live their lives as if there were no god. Atheism can be further broken down into the following sub-categories:
Originally posted by Freeborn
Agnostics simply don't know and think it is a waste of time and why get so wound up in something that can not
be proven either way, at least not until we die.
Atheists can be equally black and white in their assertion that there is no God whatsoever, end of.
They both can be passionate to the, dare I say it, extreme, in the defence and even advancement of their particular viewpoint and belief.
Maybe when Ratzinger goes home I'll share my thoughts in a rare thread of my own....I'm sure it'll ruffle a few feathers on all sides!
Good to see you around mate, not seen you posting much recently.
Originally posted by blupblup
Pol Pot tried to erase individuality as he thought that differences create conflicts. With his artificial equality, abolishing private possessions and so erasing natural selection from society he was doomed by Evolution to fail, like all other communists. Pol Pot targeted not just different religions as differences, but education, science and medicine too. Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge were composed of Buddhists and Pol Pot himself was a communist and Theravada Buddhist
They banned all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. They especially targeted Buddhist monks, Muslims, Christians, Western-educated intellectuals, educated people in general, people who had contact with Western countries or with Vietnam, disabled people, and the ethnic Chinese, Laotians and Vietnamese.
The Khmer Rouge leadership boasted over the state-controlled radio that only one or two million people were needed to build the new agrarian communist utopia. As for the others, as their proverb put it, "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."
Hundreds of thousands...were taken out in shackles to dig their own mass graves. Then the Khmer Rouge soldiers beat them to death with iron bars and hoes or buried them alive. A Khmer Rouge extermination prison directive ordered, "Bullets are not to be wasted." These mass graves are often referred to as The Killing Fields.
The Khmer Rouge also classified by religion and ethnic group....Some were put in the S-21 camp for interrogation involving torture in cases where a confession was useful to the government. Many others were summarily executed. Confessions forced at S-21 were extracted from prisoners through such methods as raising prisoners by their arms tied behind and dislocating shoulders, removing toenails with pliers, suffocating a prisoner repeatedly, and skinning a person while alive
Communism is not, however, inherently atheistic. It is possible to hold communist or socialist economic views while being a theist and it isn't at all uncommon to be an atheist while staunchly defending capitalism — a combination often found among Objectivists and Libertarians, for example. Their existence alone demonstrates, without question, that atheism and communism are not the same thing. But while the original myth has been refuted, it is interesting to look and see if perhaps the Christians who made it have gotten things backwards. Perhaps it is Christianity which is inherently communistic? After all, there is nothing in the gospels which even so much as suggests a divine preference for capitalism. On the contrary, quite a bit of what Jesus said directly supports many of the emotional foundations of socialism and even communism. He specifically said that that people should give all they could to the poor and that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
Nobody knows... I think if everyone could just agree on that, then it would be a start.
Not too much to post on my friend.... Hmmmmm