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Flour on the floor is good ( cheap) idea, except I have carpet. I wake up to the experience seeing only an intense light, the feeling of floating, wieghtlessness, I dont know where I am , If I am in the house or whatever. When I wake, the blue light is the only thing I see, like a spot light 4 of 5 feet in front of my face...Starts deep Blue, Like a violet color, quickly to deep red, I perceive I think other colors but it happens fast and all of the sudden the air turns sour/hot/ muggy/ humid/ disgustingly thick/ and stinky, Like I am in the belly of a blue whale ( sorry for the bad analogy) If I could gag I would but no reflex happens.
Originally posted by Koka
The common factor which stops people from attaining video evidence in abduction cases, is the inability to use anything electrical, whether it be digital or analogue.
The logical route would be to set-up a system that requires no electrical (or battery) supply. This means it is highly unlikely you will end up with a photo or a video of the occurance.
You don't want this system to impose on your everyday life or drain you of finances.
Sprinkling flour on the floor of your bedroom could go some way to obtaining evidence of something happening but is a touch on the inconvenient side.
Early film cameras worked off a wind-up mechanism which should not be influenced by EMPs, but would require a trip system to initiate filming. Something that would maybe work using air pressure as a trigger. Obviously cost is involved to some degree here.
The strips of newspaper idea is definitely a move in the right direction, without causing too much inconvenience, however, this would confirm that something happened but offer no evidence as to what.
I'm sure there is someone in ATS who has a knowledge of mechanics that can be used in this way.
[edit on 23-6-2004 by Koka]
Originally posted by PsykoOps
I'm narcoleptic too and dont believe this guy for a simple reason. When I go to a deep REM state the dreams are so vivid and real that it's like another life. Once you realize you're in a dream state you can do whacky things (lucid kind). At first I started to dream about being captain of Voyager and stuff like that, later I realized that things like abductions can find their way into the dreams and it does feel real and scary. I have found a simple way to eliminate these dreams, and that's figuring out the source of them. Most often abduction experienses and such originate from www stories I've read and they still freak me out even after I've realised the source. Point is that if you wake up and you're still in your own bed room and life is back to normal, it was just a vivid dream.
Originally posted by unusedpheonix
Hi psycops,
I also have intense lucid dreams, but it different than the abduction, I can l have control over lucid dreams or the dream environment is real fluid, morphing, changeing, On those occations I can control lucidity, I ussually find myself flying around like superman having a good time or something of a positive sexual nature ( Britney Sprears mmmmm)
but the abduction is something like I have no control and feel forced to expereince no matter how hard I try to tell myself its dream and i can change it....it never does, the time never speeds up or slow down, the imagry stays consistant and the same, my eyes are slightly off focus- fuzzy EVERY SINGLE TIME ( like looking underwater or thru steam)... I learn to just bear it until its over, I f I think about it too much I freak..I just empty my mind and "go with the flow" if that makes sense.
Originally posted by electric
I have never spoken to a single person about my abduction experiences. This is the first time I've made any reference to it, and I'll probably never go into great detail about it. I would not believe it if I had not experienced it myself, so I don't expect anyone else to believe it.
It is, however, difficult for me to live with myself knowing that I may have information enabling some abductees to stop these "biological research" procedures (or whatever they are) from happening.
I believe that I was exited from these programs by "beings" higher up in the ladder than the 7ft white creatures who seemed to be instigating them. The higher "beings", which were invisible (had no physical form), simply showed me a small ball of light, and told me it was filled with infinite energy. I have never had any abduction related events after that incident.
I will say that I'm not a spiritual or highly religious person, nor do I answer to "Ashtar Command", or anything like that -- even though the reference to "ball of light" might make it sound like that.
When I started researching the abduction phenomena a few years later, I discovered that other people had found ways to exit these programs and stop the abductions from happening. All of these correlated well with my own experiences. Although, I seem to have been lucky enough to have the information directly given to me, rather than having to figure it out myself.
Those that; try make a cross with their tongue while paralysed; pray to God, Jesus, or whatever they believe in; express love towards the abductors, will not be abducted, the abductors always run away.
In my own interpretation, the abductors are not quite sure if we have an intrinsic ability to make things happen simply by believing they will happen, or that we may have a closer connection with force that created the universe (God perhaps) than what they have.
I don't know if this works for everyone, but I figure it's worth a shot if you want them to stop. When you wake up paralysed, cling to what ever it is you believe in, or tell the abductor that you love them, or that God loves them.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
If alien beings would really enter your house and physically remove you from your bed and then do whatever they do, I think there would be more than enough concrete evidence to show. The answer is always in you, never forget that. Example, I had a rather disturbing experience, being contained, controlled, probed and the usual. Waking up from it I started to think about it and realized that the day before I had flipped trough tv-channels, saw a piece on animal experiments for like 10 seconds. This 10 seconds for more than enough to put me in the mouses position, execpt with human perception of the events and it was hellish. In a way I suffered the punishment that those who do these experiments should, to feel what they're doing. As soon as I figured out where that experience came from all the negative emotions and feelings just vanished. Many times I find that huge experiences can occur from single words or things so tiny that you would overlook them normally. The word can be something like 'spoon' or 'rock' or anything really. Many times I find myself doing gameshow kind of guessing where those experiences come from and usually always figure them out. It's always a challenge and once you 'win' it can be quite rewarding too. One thing I've noticed that it's always a 'single' or 'singular' piece of something. You have to trust your logic to figure them out, good luck with that.
[Edit] Forgot to say that people seem to severly underestimate the power of their brain. Seen what people under hypnosis believe? You may hear about abductions but dismis it as nonsense, you then see a glimbse of a 'grey' on some book cover or newspaper. This in itself is more than enough to trigger a wondering though in your subconciousness. You may believe these abductions, or not. But anyway you will at some level wonder about it and given the change you're brain will explore this possibility to the extend that it will seems a clear as night and day. On a very twisted way that is a good sing that you're having these 'experiences', it means that your brain is curious and willing to learn about this issue. This is a modern phenomenon and the reason is the way we're sharing information. A simple glimpse can trigger that wondering and all the power in the brain can make it happen.
[edit on 24-6-2004 by PsykoOps]
Thanks electric, that makes more sense too me now, thanks for clarifying. I am always cautious about hearing others story if it seems their own personal spiritual philosophy has influenced the expereince...seems to me at least more indicative that maybe the expereince is self induced.
Originally posted by electric
The reason I think my experiences are connected with extraterrestrials is because they seemed to start happening after a UFO encounter, which was seen by three others. I couldn't deny the possibility that it comes from within the brain, but my experiences seem to correlate well with those who have been through hypnotic regression and recall entering a physical craft. So I assume that is what took place.
I personally don't think hypnotic regression can yield accurate results for a single person, given that they can recall the same event in different ways in seperate regressions. But, with the number of regressions that state the abductors have a physical craft, I accept this as the explanation.
What am I getting at with the "ball of light"? Honestly, I don't really know. I assume that I was instilled with a belief that I did not have. The theme of the belief was not important.
I attended a catholic school for all of my life, although I did not have a high regard for Jesus and God as it is written in the bible. I still don't.
I've had to seek answers to my own experiences through the experiences of others. I have no recollections of events beyond seeing them in my room. Or in one case, the bathroom. And being struck by a strain of fear that could not be brought up by any other experience. I would wake up with a nosebleed after the experience, or sometimes jsut blood on my pillow.
The sign of the cross would only be effective for someone that believed in Jesus. This is just an example of holding onto one's own belief. I would not use this method, seeing as I don't relate well with Jesus of the bible. I'm not trying to steer anyone in a direction here, the choice belief is not important.
As I interpret it, just like we fear what we don't understand (and fear them), the abductors fear what they don't understand. And they don't understand the human belief system.
It's quite fundamental. Imagine yourself having to take an entity from another planet, for biological research, and being confronted with love and affection from that creature, or that you knew it was holding onto its sole belief. Are you going to take it against its own will? It's much easier for them to handle the process if the entity is fearful, angry, and shows no interest in their plight.
Don't take my word for it alone, I don't expect anyone to. My advice is to do some research on the web. There are plently of others out there who have been able to make the abductors/visitors go away, and have written quite openly about their experiences. Sure, there are some stories of tin foil hats, and cases that don't correlate well others, but armed with your own experiences you should be able to indentify the fluff quite easily.
no, A few years ago, I used to have a dog, or at least tried, but I have severe allergys. I tried the allergy medication, but its not worth the side effects, so we gave the dog away after a few days. doing the yard work is hell, and I take medication, but I couldnt handle having to take it all the time for pets. I could try borrowing a dog though and keeping it outside, next to my window..thats a good idea, Ill have to look around..thanks. I dont know how I would explain myself though
Originally posted by Damned
Do you have a dog? Do you know anyone who has a dog you can borrow for awhile? The idea above might be a good one.
Originally posted by unusedpheonix
no, A few years ago, I used to have a dog, or at least tried, but I have severe allergys. I tried the allergy medication, but its not worth the side effects, so we gave the dog away after a few days.
Originally posted by Damned
Yep, I'd mentioned strings and cans, for noise. (Maybe I didn't make that clear) The traps could be a tad dangerous. I don't think any remote camera would work, though. They're still electronic devices, no matter how far away they are from the VCR, computer, whatever...they're still susceptible to EMP. Wait a minute! Do you have a digital alarm clock? What does it say after these abductions? EMP would definitely effect those too.
[edit on 25-6-2004 by Damned]
let me know, Ill search on the internet anyway, I am sure Ill find out what type of dog.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Originally posted by unusedpheonix
no, A few years ago, I used to have a dog, or at least tried, but I have severe allergys. I tried the allergy medication, but its not worth the side effects, so we gave the dog away after a few days.
Why not then try that native american dog species that doesn't cause allergic reactions? If any1 can remember the race then pls post it cause I'm having trouble remembering it.