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posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 09:16 PM
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UNDERGROUND BASES LECTURE, MAY 1995 Lecture By Phil Schneider Phil Schneider, the lecturer of this article, was executed under mysterious circumstances in January 1996. According to some, he had been tortured repeatedly before his death. Phil Schneider was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building underground facilities. He was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the Greys and the U.S. intelligence/military forces at the Dulce underground base in New Mexico. In May 1995, Phil Schneider lectured on what he had discovered during his career. Seven months afterward, he was tortured and killed by those whom he had previously been employed by. Lecture Starts: "It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government that I feel directly imperiled not to tell anybody about this material. How long I will be able to do this is anybody's guess. However, I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not. I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like these United States. To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that firefight. I was there. Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going to ask you to put your "scepticals" on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their country." Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget: "I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going to concern deep underground military bases and the black budget. The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programs, like those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, there are 129 deep underground military bases in the United States. They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect*, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them. The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively." Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in Hyperspacial Technology, and More: "Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to create, through the use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs of that test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them, especially under the water, and the natives had problems with their animals being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the next war would be with aliens from other worlds. Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What does that have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was hated in Germany. There was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who killed him. Obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway, back to our topic - deep underground bases." The Fire Fight at Dulce: "Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found outselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts. Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that. I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft." Schneider's Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars and Shackle Contracts: "Now, I am very worried about the activity of the the federal government. They have lied to the public, stonewalled senators, and have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on and on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled. Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon. He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they make railroad cars. Now, I knew this fellow for the better part of 30 years, and he was kind of a quiet type. He came in to see me one day, excited, and he told me "they're building prisoner cars." He was nervous. Gunderson, he said, had a contract with the federal government to build 107,200 full length railroad cars, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 sub-contractors in this giant project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars for the contract. Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed me one of the cars in the rail yards in North Portland. He was right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up with about 15,000,000. This is probably the number of people who disagree with the federal government. No more can you vote any of these people out of office. Our present structure of government is "technocracy", not democracy, and it is a form of feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United States. These people are god-less, and have legislated out prayer in public schools. You can get fined up to $100,000 and two years in prison for praying in school. I believe we can do better. I also believe that the federal government is running the gambit of enslaving the people of the United States. I am not a very good speaker, but I'll keep shooting my mouth off until somebody puts a bullet in me, because it's worth it to talk to a group like this about these atrocities." America's Black Program Contractors: "There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S. Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy the spare parts for these black programs for that amount. So, we've been lied to. The black budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the books involved with this clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of stealth programs: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison- Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsibishi Industries, Rider Trucks, Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus a host of hundreds more. Is this what we are supposed to be living up to as freedom-loving people? I don't believe so." Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat: "Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. By the way, none of the stealth program would have been available if we had not taken apart crashed alien disks. None of it. Some of you might ask what the "space shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of special metals that are milled in space and cannot be produced on the surface of the earth. They need the near vaccum of outer space to produce them. We are not even being told anything close to the truth. I believe our government officials have sold us down the drain - lock, stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars program is there solely to act as a buffer to prevent alien attack - it has nothing to do with the "cold war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what? The whole lie was planned and executed for the last 75 years." Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by U.S. Agencies and the United Nations: "Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This in 1993, and the figures have gone up considerably since. The United Nations used American stealth aircraft for over 28% of its collective worldwide operations from 1990 to 1992, according to the Center for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092." The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia Conflict: "The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets. Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes called the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national tactical force primarily used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were 172 stealth aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were at last count about 162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to the United Nations. There have been indications that the Delta Force was sent over to Bosnia during the last days of the Bush administration as a covert sniper force, and that they started taking pot shots at each side of the controversy, in order to actually start the Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding administrations for political purposes." Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States: "I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Center bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some odd varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after the blast. The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and the rebar was literally extruded up to six feet longer than its original length. There is only one weapon that can do that - a small nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type nuclear device. Obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage, they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further mention that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it. "First, they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer bomb. Then, it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of fertilizer in a Rider Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. I know the chemical structure and the application of construction explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13 deep underground military bases in the United States. I worked on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not have hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in Oklahoma City. It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off the building, but it would have never have done that kind of damage. I believe I have been lied to, and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm telling you that you've been lied to." The Truth Behind the Republican Contract With America: "I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six months of life left in this country, at the present rate. We are the laughing stock of the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so many evil people that are runing this country. I think we can do better. I think the people over 45 are seriously worried about their future. I'm going to run some scary scenarios by you. The Contract With America. It contains the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used to subvert Germany in 1931. I believe we can do better. The Contract With America is a last ditch effort by our federal government to tear away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights." Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence: "The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one being built. Is this the proper use of our money? What does the federal government need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to enslave us. I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the world needs that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar. They can see you walking from room to room when they fly over your house. They see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of 1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that is. Now, I worked in the federal government for a long time, and I know exactly how they handle their business." Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions: "The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a geologist, and I know what I am talking about. With the Kobe earthquake in Japan, there was no pulsewave as in a normal earthquake. None. In 1989, there was an earthquake in San Francisco. There was no pulse wave with that one either. It is a Tesla device that is being used for evil purposes. The black budget programs have subverted science as we know it. Look at AIDs, invented by the National Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago, Illinois in 1972. It was a biological weapon to be used against the people of the United States. The reason I know this is that I have seen the documentation by the Office of Strategic Services, which by the way is still in operation to this day, through the CDC in Atlanta. They used the glandular excretions of animals, humans and alien humanoids to create the virus. These alien humanoids the government is hobnobbing with are the worst news. There is absolutely no defense against their germs - none. They are a biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet needs to be isolated. Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet, deserve this? No, we don't, but we are not doing anything about it. Every moment we waste, we are doing other people on the planet a disservice. Right now, I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government. I might live six months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out like I am, maybe God will give me the life to talk my head off. I will break every law that it takes to talk my head off. Eleven of my best friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called "suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains in order to get to Needles, California, and I was followed by two government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a couple of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I have spoken 19 times and have probably reached 45,000 people. Well, I got ahead of them and came to a stop in the middle of the road. They both went on either side of me and down a ravine. Is this what its going to take? I cut up my security card and sent it back to the government, and told them if I was threatened, and I have been, that I was going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the internet about government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun that task." "Thank you very much" End of May 1995 Lecture. (reprinted with permission)




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 03:57 PM
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I just came across this and found it a extremely interesting read, I was going to share it here but I see that it's old news. Shoulda known the readership here is on this sort of thing like flies to s---- LOL..

SD



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Phil Schineder in my views is an extremely credible man! He was desperate to get the information out, and he gave his life to do it.. Nine attempts have been made on his life. Unfortunately...he died. And we all know who killed him. Lets see...hmmm howmany people have been silenced like this? Many...

I listened to the whole lecture. And I agree with him! Completely! Of course there are underground bases, no doubt about that. Where's my proof? Well it's obvious...Phils wife even wrote a message. I just don't think this is a hoax, because it would be dumb. And this is a pretty serious deal...

I say he's credible!



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by whitelightwolf
Phil Schineder in my views is an extremely credible man! He was desperate to get the information out, and he gave his life to do it.. Nine attempts have been made on his life. Unfortunately...he died. And we all know who killed him. Lets see...hmmm howmany people have been silenced like this? Many...

I listened to the whole lecture. And I agree with him! Completely! Of course there are underground bases, no doubt about that. Where's my proof? Well it's obvious...Phils wife even wrote a message. I just don't think this is a hoax, because it would be dumb. And this is a pretty serious deal...

I say he's credible!


Hhhhahahaha and I will say it again


Phil Schineder in my views is an extremely credible man! He was desperate to get the information out, and he gave his life to do it.. Nine attempts have been made on his life. Unfortunately...he died. And we all know who killed him. Lets see...hmmm howmany people have been silenced like this? Many...

I listened to the whole lecture. And I agree with him! Completely! Of course there are underground bases, no doubt about that. Where's my proof? Well it's obvious...Phils wife even wrote a message. I just don't think this is a hoax, because it would be dumb. And this is a pretty serious deal...

people you need to WAKE UP, stop hiding in your shells and saying that thier is no such thing as aliens, or UFOS, or new world order..or reptilians.. Face it, you are afraid...and fear controls your lives. Well it doesn't control mine..

You're either with us..or part of the crowds of dumb sheeple that will soon fall prey the the NWO...



posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 11:41 AM
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just want to let you guys know that on www.isohunt.com when you enter "essential information" in the search box and you search for torrents one is able to download 4 video lectures of schneider spreading the information he knew and which is around here to study and perform actions on.

Also the one which is typed out here.


enjoy the show!



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 01:40 PM
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After reading the report on Phil and his murder, before I saw this thread I had my doubts.

Even after reading the fight between the military, US Intel and the aliens- was it credible information or not?


He was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence and military forces at Dulce underground base.



How can this be? Forgive me I see the proof, not saying I don't believe it just having a hard time swallowing it.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 02:28 PM
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Double post. See below!


[edit on 22-8-2007 by Valdimer]



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 02:28 PM
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You know, I wish I had an answer to give you on this, but I'm pretty much on the same train of thought that you are.

Everything about this, I think, has the smell of truth as well as a bit of cow pie mixed into it.

As for the Dulce stuff, I just don't think there is enough information, one way or the other, that tells me if there is anything there or not.

[edit on 22-8-2007 by Valdimer]



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 08:57 AM
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I admittedly don't know much about this, but one thing stuck in my mind when I was reading it, How could they just stumble onto the underground alien base that had been there for a million years, and then the first thing that happens is they kill them, then nothing else ever comes of it?



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 12:19 PM
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I just watched the last lecture that Philip Schneider gave and it sent chills up my spine. I like to consider myself to have an open mind, but when you watch as many videos as I have about this subject, and a speech that took place 12 years ago fits in PERFECTLY with all of those, it makes it hard to just dismiss.

I mean, all it takes is for a President to declare martial law, and all of what Philip says could come true. This is a speech from 1995 for God's sake. I honestly don't think that anything Philip Schneider says is THAT far fetched at all, and the fact that he was murdered just gives him that much more credibility.

Are we looking at the extermination/enslavement of the human race?

If anyone hasn't heard any of the lectures by Philip Schneider, I HIGHLY recommend them. You won't be able to think about anything else, and you will want him to continue talking forever.

[edit on 2-9-2007 by bigbert81]



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 09:52 AM
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Good Stuff. I never heard about this guy before. He was on point, which is why he is probably no longer with us.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 09:59 AM
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Dont you just love people who stand up and give lectures without any evidence at all?

And people believe it?

Firefight with Aliens?
AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions?

Oh Come on.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jorik




I admittedly don't know much about this, but one thing stuck in my mind when I was reading it, How could they just stumble onto the underground alien base that had been there for a million years, and then the first thing that happens is they kill them, then nothing else ever comes of it?




Dulce was built in the 60's, not a million years ago. We did not stumble onto it. Dulce was and is jointly occupied by our military and several different alien species one of which was the grays.

The Dulce war that Phil Shneider refers to was not a war and he was not there. In 1979 a Gray was giving a lecture to a number of scientists, I believe the number was 44. During the lecture a security officer came into the area with a sidearm on his belt. It was strictly forbidden to carry any weapons of any kind anywhere near where the grays were. The security officer was instantly killed by the gray. Security, seeing what was happening in that room on the security cameras came to retaliate. The gray then allegedly killed everybody. I believe the total number was 66 scientists and Delta force that were killed. The official report did not say exactly how the humans were killed but noted that the deaths were caused by 'head wounds'.

I believe the story to be essentially true as I have told it and as it has been related to me by several different people. I never talked to anybody who was actually there. All of my information is second or third hand. Some of the details may be inaccurate but there were definately 66 people killed and it was not a war. It was an accident.

Phil Schneider was involved in many secret projects and did know about Dulce. But Phil exaggerated what he knew and wove an interesting tale around that knowledge.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:12 AM
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You do tell a good story John

A total fairytale but a good story.

Ever thought of putting them in a book?
"The thoughts of John Lear"



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Chorlton




AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions?


AIDS was developed by a U.S. Navy surgeon whose name was R. M. Donner. I never heard that the virus used alien excretions. The reason it is so difficult to cure is the protein coat on the virus itself.

Dr. Robert Strecker has a lot of information on this but I haven't seen Bob for many years. He produced a video titled the Strecker Memorandum which detailed the history of the Aids virus.

Were you able to disolve that protein coat on the AIDS virus with a mold of tricosanthes kirilowi and some other chemicals you would be able to reverse the rapid lowering the the T-cell count and cure the patient. Usually within 72 hours.

Bob Lazar and I tried to see R.M. Donner many times at his home and at his place of business (he was retired from the U.S. Navy) in New Mexico. But it seemed that he was always 'out'.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:33 AM
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As I said John, you tell lovely tales of fantasy.

None of it containing the least bit of fact, but loveley tales of fantasy all the same.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:41 AM
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interesting post, im printing it now so i can read it and then ill comment on what i think. but based on the comments on the thread so far, im in for a good read



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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Let me expand on my post about the AIDS virus.

The Aids virus was developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. The doctors name was R. M. Donner who actually developed the virus.

Bov Lazar and I made several attempts in 1989 and 1990 to contact him at his house in the southwest U.S. I obtained his address from CIA contacts. He was never there, or at least, never answered the doorbell. We also tried to meet up with him at this place of business, a small shop in a small town in New Mexico where he worked part time after his retirement from the Navy.

Aids is a virus that is protected by a protein coat on the RNA preventing the antibodies (T-4 cells) of the immune system from detecting and eliminating it.

The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii. This excrement (which develops after about 2 or 3 weeks) is separated with hydrazine sulfate and an acidification process which dissolves the protein coat on the RNA and exposes the nucleus of the virus that’s detected by the antibodies of the immune system. Regardless of how weak the immune system is the virus will be destroyed.

No more than 20cc dose per 36 hour period should be administered. No antibiotics should be used during this period. The 20 cc’s are metabolized in 36 hours having dissolved the protein coat of the virus.

Over the past 19 years several I have been party to several attempts to get samples of the tricosanthes kirilowii out of China, but all have met with failure. The last samples having been ‘cooked’ during departure procedures.

I am not a doctor. I am not saying I have the cure for aids. What I have written above is about all I know so please don’t hammer me for more information. If there is an error in the technical information above maybe I have worded it wrong from the information that I have. And maybe a member of ATS can help me correct that wording. I only offer this information because ATS has an incredible information source through its members. Maybe one of those members can use this information to advantage.

In closing: Attention Dr. Strecker (producer: The Strecker Memorandum). Bob, if you are reading this call me. You know where I am.



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Let me expand on my post about the AIDS virus.

The Aids virus was developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. The doctors name was R. M. Donner who actually developed the virus.


Do you make this up as you go along John?

Aids was first officially recognised in 1981, thats a FACT that is very widely known and acknowledged and what you are stating is at the very least laughable.

There are indeed speculations that it might have been accidentaly created as early as the 1950's
www.aidsorigins.com...

There also other speculations as to its origins
But it was certainly around before you state

[edit on 5/9/07 by Chorlton]



posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Chorlton


Do you make this up as you go along John?

Aids was first officially recognised in 1981, thats a FACT that is very widely known and acknowledged and what you are stating is at the very least laughable.


OK. I haven't thought about this in a while, you are probably correct on the 1981 so please consider my post in error on that point. I will correct it in future editions.


There are indeed speculations that it might have been accidentaly created as early as the 1950's.



No, it was intentionally developed.

Thanks for the heads up.





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