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Originally posted by Greensage
It is obvious that no one knows who the sealed are... I suppose there have been declarations by way of religious groups claiming to be sealed, but wouldn't they have a more definitive nature of the seal itself to prove it?
Am I wrong in assuming that even those that will be sealed are oblivious to it until that moment comes?
Was there an inclusion of the beliefs of JW in that those 144,000 will all be men? and, that they will all be virgins? (according to Jehovah Witnesses) I don't think I caught that part being mentioned or included in this thread, did I miss that?
Originally posted by lucidclouds
One question. Who do you believe they rule as king over?
Originally posted by pathwalker
unless you follow something encouraging true growth to god like the kolbrin bible instead of the one that was made by Rome ... i believe you have no chance to be one of those saved, thats why the number is so low, to many people follow this so called religion based on fear...
over come your biased views and really think for yourself... how can one claim to be godly when one supports poisons/greed/lust...
Originally posted by Greensage
Thanks for the quick response! So I take it that you feel that all or most of Revelation is a metaphor? I am not being cheeky, really, do you have thoughts on when the metaphor expresses itself in a literal sense so that the actual Kingdom of Christ can return, or do you feel that Christ's return is also a metaphor?
Originally posted by St Udio
these groups of 12,000 each from 12 different hereditary lines...
for example there might be small communities of Gypsies in their own
form of diaspora around the world that distance their activities from
the networks controlled by the 'beast' empire/kingdom ...
all together the prophecy tells us there will be 12 tribes or peoples
that offer the defiant populations that choose to defy the 'beast-empire'
hegemony, a sanctuary for a time -[i.e. 1,260 days]
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I think the "144000" will be those whose souls have evolved enough to handle their duty.
Originally posted by Ausar
i disagree with your last premise as it is nonjoining with the body of your post;
you italicized will but if "they" are sealed it does not matter if "they" desire any other mark for any reason, "they" cannot take what is already given them.
Originally posted by EnactedEgoTrip
but here you are treating the words in the bible as though god himself has told you them. Yet they are just words written by people.
The bible and other religious texts are nothing more than parables which 1: tell us a story based on the heavens, and 2: explain human nature to us.
So please, do yourself a favour and stop believing in something so literally that you cannot prove, and has been proven inaccurate time and time again!
The prophecy in the religious texts is SELF FULFILLING. It is meant to be a warning yet by believing it literally you are fulfilling it. There are crazy people out there with the power and resources necessary, trying to literally make John's trip real. It was just his own perspective on things, probably induced by something medicinal.
And we dont even know how accurate it is!
Originally posted by harryhaller
This 144 000 has intrigued me for a while. The numeralogical 12*12 is very evident, but it doesn't seem a "real" number? I mean, are ONLY 144000 going to reject the AC? I don't think so, there's going to be a LOT more than that executed
Originally posted by NewCaptainAmerica
Be wary my friend, we will only see more and more people claiming to be enlightened and in touch with God, and yet dismiss the bible and point to other sources or their own power and declare themselves of having a god-like status.