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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
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Compare Revelation ch21;
"Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, ad God himself will be with them; he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away." Revelation ch21 vv3-4


Thank you for pointing that out Disraeli

That is pretty much what Deganawidah said.
spiritualresourcemanagement.com...
Here is a pretty good break down of his prophesy.
( I hope you will consider it, it may hold valuable info if things continue to break the way Deganawidah forecast.
Also note the red white and black...
That conforms to the book of Enoch which I put great store in, and the description of the three states of the godess Kali - the virgin, the mother, and the crone.

To me It looks like when one isn't confusing the messenger with the message the message becomes clear.
Irregardless of what enyone else is doing my instructions from the spirit world were to investigate the situation in this manner:
To look for what is common in the multitude of messages and keep what matches and to hopefully discard the Luciferian distortions in order to decipher the real message.


I want to also make the point also that dispensionalism as promogulated by the Scofield bible is a fraud perpetrated on the American Christian for the purpose of manipulation by Zionists.

I also didn't mention that the Jesuits made a beeline for his birthplace to hold the first mass in Upper Canada ( Ontario, Western Quebec) because Daganawidah was preported to be a virgin birth.

They held that mass right on the spot where he was born, and in the Catholic tradition of putting churches on other peoples' holy places, there is a big concrete marker with a brass plaque there to this day.
They have done their best to expunge him from white history,
which is the main reason his tribe the Wendat, were wiped out as well, even the Iroqoius are confused about where he was born.

However, when I compare what I know with the above verse it reinforces my belief that this is not about religion.
It is about humanity moving on past the tyrannical/Luciferian domination we labour under.
An escape from the DNA, then sexual, and cultural, corruption
or "original sin", which I believe wasn't man's sin,
but the sin of the fallen or the parents of the Titans,
who the flood was ment to wipe out.
(never let a good crisis go to waste)
It is a tool to manipulate, to claim man did that sin, and hence must be saved.
( see absolvences, for example)
WE ARENT GUILTY!


Here are some other interesting points:
Kitchewana, the Gitchy Manitou, or great spirit ( a giant) of the Algonquin tribes like the Ojibway, and the Huron, etc was also a king on the antideluvian Sumarian king list. (that's pre-flood) some tablets call him
En Man Gal Anna, some tablets call him Kitchewanna...
He was the third king, a giant (Titan, man of renown), and ruled for over twenty thousand years.
He made the Thirty Thousand Islands from which the Wendat (or islanders) take their name, which corresponds timewise to the recessions of the glaciers ( 5 I think) that made the Great Lakes as we know them...
The Jesuit relations, written by the first Jesuits to live with the Wendat remark about the amount of parallels to the Christian creation myth.


After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridu.
In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28,800 years.
Alalgar ruled for 36,000 years.
Two kings; they ruled for 64800 years.
Then Eridu fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira.
In Bad-tibira, Enmen-lu-ana ruled for 43,200 years.
Enmen-gal-ana ruled for 28,800 years.
The divine Dumuzi, the shepherd, ruled for 36,000 years.
Three kings; they ruled for 108,000 years.

www.livius.org...
5 king later you have the flood.
and the kings live as long as Noah. about 900 years.

At the least there are interesting congruences between the two versions.
then when one reads the sumerian myths, (creation myths and flood myths..etc) it all starts to make an erie sort of sence.
Funny for me, because I was told before I started to investigate this that it would.


Good thread..I hope I haven't misdirected it on you.
Have a nice day

Ps
The word feller is another example of an area of investigation.
Why is it applied to Dogs and why is the word dog god spelled backwards..?
The Ojibway say the dog was given to the Ojbway by a giant sorcerer.
DNA evidence says dogs were split from wolves about 90 thousand years ago. Just to help solidify the timeline.




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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
I want to also make the point also that dispensionalism as promogulated by the Scofield bible is a fraud perpetrated on the American Christian for the purpose of manipulation by Zionists.[

Thank you for your comments. I meant to get back to the remarks you were making last night, I'll get onto it in due course.
I'll just observe, for the moment, that the Scofield Bible was never part of my education, so it hasn't become part of my way of thinking.
I certainly disagree with taking the "144,000" to be literal Jews, nor do I treat the Temple of ch10 as a physical one. That will hopefully be my next theme.


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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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Two thoughts about the converastion you were having with your friend.
Firstly, you were obviously having a lot of fun with the literal interpretation of the "144,000" figure. I suppose they set themselves up for that. But since I don't take that figure literally, it doesn't apply to what I'm doing.

On the other main point that a loving God would want all people to come to him- the Christian premise is that he does want people to come to him, but does not exercise compulsion.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
The Zionist luciferian bankers already have control, it is just not obvious to some people. because they won't look...
Which only happened because a huge chunk of the population have supported every beast that has come along in expectation of their bible coming true.

OK, a belated response to these thoughts.
Without wanting to get into an argument about the existence of Zionist luciferian bankers, I'm not convinced that they could really owe much of their power to people believing in Revelation prophecy.
Surely their power was growing anyway?
You can say that it's based on people's willingnes to accept authority, but I can't see that much of that willingness actually came from belief in Revelation prophecy, which is really something of a minority interest. So surely the power would have grown in the same way if the belief had not been there?



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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- TRUTH ALERT -



The 144,000 has NOTHING to do with who will be Raptured to safety before the start of Armageddon and who will not. That is a falsehood of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The JW's are wrong about this because there are only two requirements for salvation which have nothing to do with religion, race, color, creed or rituals like water baptism or beliefs like Once Saved Always Saved.

There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition (a humble heart)

The 144,000 refers to the 144,000 Holy Ghost Orders or "Tribes" that exist in the Spirit Realm and fight on Yahweh's side of the Spiritual War against Satan and his demons. This is the short version - for more information visit the links in my signature.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by ReginaAdonnaAaron
The 144,000 has NOTHING to do with who will be Raptured to safety before the start of Armageddon and who will not. That is a falsehood of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

I agree with you 100% on this (although the JW's are not the only people saying it).


There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition (a humble heart)

I agree with you on this; or, to be exact, I would pin it down to the first.



The 144,000 refers to the 144,000 Holy Ghost Orders or "Tribes" that exist in the Spirit Realm and fight on Yahweh's side of the Spiritual War against Satan and his demons. This is the short version - for more information visit the links in my signature.

I haven't had time to examine your links yet- but at first glance this teaching looks extra-biblical.

EDIT; Yes, having examined your links, I have two areas of concern.
One is the source of your information- viz. the alleged "Cherubic Order of Angels". THis source seems to me to be non-Biblical. I gather that their methods of communication involve placing images on glass doors.

Also, I gather that these teachers regard the doctrine of the Trinity as demonic. From my own understanding of theology, I'm convinced that the tradtional teaching concerning the Incarnation and the Trinity has a reasonable Biblical basis and is also essential for securing the teaching that the death of Christ was able to make the atonement possible- in other words, they stand at the very heart of the Christian gospel.

For that reason, unwillingness to accept them is an excellent rule of thumb for recognising false teaching; for example, it helps in the identification of Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons as false teachers, from a Christian standpoint. So I would feel obliged to place the website in your link in the same category as the Jehovah's witnesses and the Mormons.

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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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144,000 is all??

Whew, I did the math. It's about 1 person in 40,000 on the earth,
or about two people per football superdome.

You Christians should probably quit spreading the word. If I were one
of you I would keep this on the down-low. Odds are bad enough
already....



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
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Two thoughts about the converastion you were having with your friend.
Firstly, you were obviously having a lot of fun with the literal interpretation of the "144,000" figure.


Fun? Not really. To me, they were questions that needed answers, after hearing this talked about for so many years from so many people.


I suppose they set themselves up for that.


Well, if they do, they have no one to blame but themselves for it.


But since I don't take that figure literally, it doesn't apply to what I'm doing.


But you have to understand, that this IS the mindset of thousands of people in the world. There are many who aren`t ready for, or would be able to stand having their world shattered like this.



On the other main point that a loving God would want all people to come to him- the Christian premise is that he does want people to come to him, but does not exercise compulsion.


If true, then why do they say that if you do not follow the teachings, you could go to Hell for an eternity, and yet, use the good shepherd story? It`s very contradictory on their part.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by rival
144,000 is all??
Whew, I did the math. It's about 1 person in 40,000 on the earth,
or about two people per football superdome.

Ah yes, somebody else commenting on the title of a thread without bothering to read the OP itself. I think you're the second one on this particular thread.

There is a long section in the OP arguing that the number should be taken symbolically, not literally.
So the odds are better than you think.
There might be a chance even for you.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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The Deganawidah Prophesy was Awesome! If I had read that in the past I did not understand it until today! Thank you for that.

My interpretation is the White Serpent is our form of Democracy, and of course the entire History of the exploits by the White Man and or Christianity. The Red Serpent is not a Country any more than the White Serpent is a Country, but instead that form of Communism/Marxism. We indeed are in that struggle now with the Socialists who are bent on destroying us with their fascist idealisms, all the while draped in the a Cloak of Democracy.

The Black Serpent is the Gulf of Mexico, the methane gas, the Corexit, the toxicity of it all. The transformation into a woman is uncannily like we have now, a calm before its release; the ocean is a womb of Life, she is suspended until it is time to unleash the Black Serpent onto us.

The Hopi speak of the coming of their brothers from the South and that the place to be safe is Hopiland or the Four Corners States. I would definitely see the Rocky Mountains and any place high as the hilly country.

As for the Light in the East. That is the Return of Christ after the Battle in the Middle East. Who else could cause the Black Serpent to retreat back to the South and never be seen again?

The small portion of the White Serpent to survive are the people who leave the cities and go into the wilds and begin to embrace the Ways of the Natives. The others who survive will leave to the East where they join with the Light and are never to be seen again.

The Red vanishes because Communism will always be a failure, there is no Utopia to be found within its domain, not without the sacrifice of Spirit.

Ultimately Good will Triumph of course! LOL I love this Prophesy more than all the rest, because no matter how much we all want to understand Revelation, that book is not about the United States or its people after chapter 17, the fall of the Great Whore (the Economy), how better to fall than by death of people and the loss of the Dollar. Sounds about right to me!

I wish I could Flag ya for that one, have you considered doing a thread on Deganawidah? If there is one I certainly missed it.

Thanks again



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by ReginaAdonnaAaron

- TRUTH ALERT -



There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition (a humble heart)


Really? Are you talking about Jesus the man, or, Christ the spirit? Why not just accept that we have a part of that which created us, within us?




The 144,000 refers to the 144,000 Holy Ghost Orders or "Tribes" that exist in the Spirit Realm and fight on Yahweh's side of the Spiritual War against Satan and his demons. This is the short version - for more information visit the links in my signature.


Isn`t Satan a part of that man made religion? Besides, which has more power? Satan, or that which created everything? Just something to ponder.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition (a humble heart)


i agree with you on these two but like i said earlier in this thread...


in the book of Acts chapter 2 verse 38

38. Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


as peter was instructed by the holyghost he told the people of the city what they must do to receive salvation. sure you have to have a good heart and of course accept christ as the way the truth and the life.....and when you have accepted christ then you must follow what peter says....the holyghost didnt just tell peter this just for kicks and giggles...its pretty serious. once you accept Christ then you must

1---repent of your sins..realizing that you are part of this corrupt seed passed on from adam....

2---be baptized in the name of Jesus (not in the traditional way...the father son and holyghost...the name must be there. its the most important part. Jesus is the name of the father son and holyghost. the catholic church has removed the name of Jesus from baptism)

3---then you will receive the gift of the holyspirit. this command from peter is vital to salvation.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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wrong post dunno how this happend

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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Your images are mildly interesting but baffling.
I'm not at all sure what you believe you're proving.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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Wrong post dunno how this ended up here!

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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ezappa

That it doesnt look like buildings but just a surface with shadows cast to make illusions.

And this applies to the passage in Revelation in what way?



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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ignore it i was in wrong thread sumhow??



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Well there is a thought: if the 144,000 refers to the spirits of the Titans the men of renown, those that followed the law of one..their bodies were destroyed in the flood, but their spirits where trapped here. I think there is precedent for that in the bible among other sources.
If they want their freedom they must assist in doing the creators work which is to aid mankind in his ascension, as opposed to the spirits of the fallen, which wish to have company in the hell that they wish to turn the creation into.
The immediate descendants of the fallen who came into the daughters of men were not guilty first hand, but they did have to choose..follow the sons of belial ( the sons of the fallen), or follow the law of one...the creator.

Again it isn't about man, it is about the fallen, and their progeny...
www.sacred-texts.com... the book of Enoch
MAN IS NOT GUILTY!!! of original sin

[edit on 16-8-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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my feeliing is the bankers have shaped judeo christian and muslim beliefs since the days of Babylon to paralize judeo christians critical thinking abilities and to motivate them to kill or at the least to stand idily by like sheep at the Luciferian request.

As we speak thirty million american fundies are sitting on their butts waiting to be raptured and so refuse to take responsibility for any of the atrocities commited in their name and with their support.

This is the result of the Zionist funded and supported convicted felon Scofield. A major voting block which supports the luciferian agenda because it makes their bible come true.
A veritible fifth column which unwittingly supports the luciferian take over of the US government, and the removing of the constitution and the bill of rights.

And believing in the bible is the requirement for getting into heaven.
Can you see this is totally wacked?

Like the Jehovas trying to get converts when they already number well over 144,000 believers, I wonder, what happens to the leftovers?





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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Yahweh's Bitter-Sweet Warning to All People of The Earth

He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life. He that disobeys the Son will not see life. The Wrath of God remains upon him.

“The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.” John 3:36

Once you have been given the Message of Truth, if you do not obey it you are exercising your Free Will choice. However, it will result in eternal death at the Judgment. Just as Satan and his angels cannot have free reign in creation - neither will it be permitted of those that exercise that choice. Your fate is upon your own head.

“Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of everyone's blood, for I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole plan of God.” Acts 20:26-27

The above scripture reveals we will be clean from the blood of those who make the wrong choice. If you are so cultivated with negativity that you hear and know that what we speak is Truth and you continue to sin willfully by rejecting that Truth, then you will lose the Sacrificial Hope of Salvation. Time will eventually run out. Armageddon is the final Judgment Chapter.

“For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” Hebrews 10:26

"to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor, and the day of our God's vengeance..." Isaiah 61:2

"The tumult reaches to the ends of the earth because the LORD brings a case against the nations. He enters into judgment with all flesh. As for the wicked, He hands them over to the sword [This is] the LORD's declaration." Jeremiah 25:31

"I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak." Matthew 12:36

"When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood." Ezekiel 33:8

Who We Minister To and Sanctification of The Creator's Name

This GOOD NEWS of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and bear witness to all the nations. The nations will be made to know Yahweh. His Name must be sanctified before the nations.

“I will honor the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. The nations will know that I am Yahweh"—the declaration of the Lord GOD —"when I demonstrate My holiness through you in their sight.” Ezekiel 36:23

“So I will make My holy name known among My people Israel and will no longer allow it to be profaned. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.” Ezekiel 39:7

Are There Any Free Rides to Eternal Bliss?

Anyone that believes they can get a free ride through eternity without going through Christ, please read:

“There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

Once you have received the Truth, you are under obligation by the Creator.

“Wisdom is supreme—so get wisdom. And whatever else you get, get understanding.” Proverbs 4:7





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