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Originally posted by iamnot
This verse tells us the 144000 may not be a literal number.
And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
The Messiah did not appear as the Jews thought he should. The temple of God also was not what they thought. Why would the 144000 be anymore literal?
Originally posted by DISRAELI
THis does not affect my point that there is a difference between LIFE and DEATH, and that the dfference is a polarity.
Then you don't understand what the doctrine of the Incarnation is all about.
The whole POINT of the incarnation is that divinity and humanity are distinct "natures", that GOD and not-GOD are distinct opposites, and the miracle and the wonder is in the fact of holding them together. Not blurring the distinction. Holding them together in union.
Yes, I can see what you're doing.
It seems that my championship of the Biblical faith, as belief in a Creator God, is so threatening to you that you are determined to break it down. It's not going to happen.
Originally posted by Student X
The difference is not a thin sharp line. It is a wide blurry, misty, no-mans land, and God is there too.
I thought that if chance brought us together then maybe it means you are receptive to growing beyond a simple exoteric faith.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by hadriana
I'm afraid I can't comment on what your dreams are telling you.
As I said in the original post, I'm not convinced that the "twelve tribes" mentioned in the passage are meant to be separated out into individual groups.
[edit on 15-8-2010 by DISRAELI]
Originally posted by hadriana
Once I dreamed I was given a Bible - a book of ultimate truths. Inside there were a lot of unwritten pages but the only writing in it was very clear "LOVE ONE ANOTHER".
Originally posted by lucidclouds
Your exactly right. Here's the third group.
Rev 7 verse 9 and 10"
"9 After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands."
The third group is the Great Crowd. These would be the ones who make it out of Armageddon and on into a paradise earth.
But, as to whether someone has received the Holy Spirit in their heart, that is between them and the Holy Spirit. Or do you propose an objective way to tell? Would you have it be a matter of reciting proper creed for the proper authorities?
Originally posted by Funkydung
the way i see it is this....peter says you have to repent of your sins and realize that you are part of this corrupt seed that has been passed along since the fall of adam and eve ...but you must also not only repent but also be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ then you will receive forgiveness...only then will you receive the gift and be sealed.