Wow, this whole topic reminded me of back in 90, i had to start work at 5;30 every morning for a week. i would go into the lunch room for my morning
coffee around 5:00. The night watchman would be in there at that time taking his break. So we sat there talking the first morning, and he asked me if
I would be interested in going to his church some Sunday. I told him thanks, but I wasn`t interested at that time. Well, he couldn`t leave it at that,
and he told me, that by joining his church, and saving my soul, I would be one of the 144,000 that would get to go to Heaven. I looked at him and
said, ok, let me get this right, I get saved, then I become one of the 144,000 that get to go? He said, oh yes, our preacher said with no doubt,
anyone who gets saved would be one of the chosen few, and all the rest will go to Hell. I said wow, ok, but I have a question for you and your
preacher. I said, is your God a loving God? And of course he yes, and that he as the good shepherd will go to the ends of the Earth to bring all back
to his flock. I said everyone? He said, sure of course.
I said, wait, that doesn`t sound right. He asked me what i thought sounded wrong. I said, well, for one thing, if your God is so loving, why on Earth
would he send anyone to Hell? I ask him, how that would be called loving? So, he just sat there thinking. Another thing I asked, what happened to the
good shepherd that would go to the ends of the Earth to bring ALL back to his flock? Again, he just sat there. I said, further more, if there is only
to be 144,000 that is to go, what happens to all the other people who are right with God? He said, the Bible says it will be 144,000. I looked at him
and smiled. I said, ok, that means, there are maybe millions of people out there, who were saved by all the churches, that will not get to go then,
right? He looked a little mortified by what I said. He looked at me again, and asked me if I had ever read the Bible, and I said yes. He said, you
don`t believe in what it says? I said, it`s not that I don`t believe what it says, I just don`t understand, how that line can be used to save souls,
if they are already doomed to go to Hell. I said, there has to be well into the millions who have been saved by now, so does that mean that the
greatest part of those people will not really go to Heaven? He said wow, I`ll have to talk to my preacher tonight and ask him that. I said cool, let
me know what he says.
Well, the next morning, it was the same thing. He said that he talked to his preacher, and told him what I said. I thought, oh boy, here we go, I get
slapped up with the good book. He said his preacher got his Bible out, and read through some of the verses that talk about the 144,000. He said he
didn`t really have a good answer to that question, but that he would really be interested in talking to me about it, oh, and he wanted to know what
kind of Bible you have? I told him, the King James version. I told him, that anytime the preacher wants to talk to me, just set the time and place. I
told him, I wasn`t saying that they were wrong, but, most of those things just didn`t jive. A loving God who is like a shepherd, who would send part
of his flock to Hell, didn`t sound all to loving to me. I thought he would, like a good shepherd, go to the ends of the Earth to bring ALL of his
flock back. Oh yes, and this guy said it would be eternal damnation in Hell for those who weren`t saved now, I told him, that in itself isn`t right.
It couldn`t be eternal damnation in Hell, if God was going to bring the WHOLE flock back, that would be leaving a good part of the flock out of going
to Heaven then, but, if what you say is true, that would mean that either the 144,000 would not be right, or, there are going to be many, who the
church thinks is saved, will not be going then, right?
This time, he looked very mortified. He didn`t know what to say. When the third morning rolled around, I was again ready for more quotes and
mis-quotes. This time though, he was a little quiet. I asked him how it went with his preacher. He said not very well. He said his preacher was very
flabbergasted, and thought that I was trying to trip the preacher and him up, by saying those things, and he thought that maybe Satan or something
evil was working through me. I just shook my head. I asked him if the questions I asked were bad, or if any of the things I said were bad. He said,
no, in fact, they made me wonder if some of these things the preacher teaches us is true or not.
Well, to finish this, a couple of months went by, and I didn`t hear a thing from the preacher, but, I did run into the guy from work. He told me that
he had asked the preacher if he was going to talk to me, and he told the guy, no, he sounded like he would never repent. So the guy asked him,
wouldn`t God go to the ends of the Earth to bring him back then? He said I doubt it, he will be sent to Hell for eternity. The guy asked him, I
thought you said God was all loving. How could he be all loving, if he doesn`t do what he said he would do. Needless to say, the preacher went as far
as trying to make him look bad before the rest of the congregation that next Sunday, by telling the people some of the questions this guy and I were
asking. Believe me, it didn`t go well at all. The guy stuck around till after services, and talked to the preacher. He told the preacher, well, I did
figure one thing out. The preacher asked him what it was. He said, for one thing, I noticed that when you got stuck for any answers to those
questions, you took it upon yourself, that beings you couldn`t answer them, you would do the next best thing, by making me look bad to the rest of the
people, and that maybe I would just take a good old brow beating and let it go at that. He told him, sorry, if you can`t answer legitimate questions
about the good book, then your not a very good preacher, and as far as it goes for me..........i`m done. He said he walked out and never went back.
I felt bad for the guy and told him i was sorry if the things I said ruined it for him. He just laughed and said, hey, I don`t think you were wrong at
all, I just never thought of those things in that way.
Try asking any preacher, minister or even a reverend these same questions, and see if they can give a good answer to them, and I mean one that doesn`t
sound made up, or far fetched in any way. Good luck.
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