H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

This isn't new,they have been talking about doing this for many,many years.

Now that there are so many unemployed,there is a better chance of many of the stupid sheep pushing for this to get those homeless and less fortunate off of the streets and out of their sight.

All of the deficiencies of this society are false,there are no shortages of anything except generosity and goodwill and decency.

Anyone who thinks this to be a good thing needs to be slapped upside the head,because if we were free,they could not force us to do anything against our will,regardless of the logic or reason for it.

Welcome to "The Old World order",meet the new boss,same as the old boss....

reply to post by SyphonX


i understand what you are saying,
if i were a US citizen i'd probably have the same reaction too.

Don't go this silly azz "Patriotic" BS,patriotism,nationalism,religion......

All just wedges that drive us apart....

And so many claim to be anti-socialist.

Now that I read through it...it's a DRAFT bill. It would, if it actually passes the house, give the President drafting authority.

So that means the founding daddies were communist.

Article 1, Section 8 allows Congress to "raise and support armies." Congress has always interpreted this to include a draft.

It also means the North and the South were communist.

The first national drafts occurred during the Civil War, with both the North and South drafting men to fight.

So was Woodrow Wilson

In 1917, President Wilson signed the Selective Service Act. The Act allowed for a national draft for wartime purposes only. The bill set the draft ages from 18 to 45,

And Roosevelt

President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Service and Training Act into law on September 16, 1940. It was the United State's first peacetime draft law.

Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, all drafted young men into the armed services. Why are you now claiming Obama is the FIRST? Oh wait, Obama was not the first was he. Take a look at this.

In 2003, several Democratic congressmen (Charles Rangel of New York, James McDermott of Washington, John Conyers of Michigan, John Lewis of Georgia, Pete Stark of California, Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii) introduced legislation that would draft both men and women into either military or civilian government service, should there be a draft in the future.

Wasn't that on Bush's watch?

Shame it's not enacted really...

At least for 18 - 24 year olds.

It would quadruple the literacy and IQ of the kids in 2 years - make them respect society and themselves which would reduce crime to much safer levels in your country.

National Service here in the UK was phased out in the late 50's - just when all the increases in Crime generally started to rise.

All my older family members did their tour - and they ALL said it made them better people.

This all goes back to deficit spending. Obama was the first to ever deficit spend. Reagan never deficit spent. Nor did the Bush Twins.

Why are you guys mad NOW but weren't mad in 2003 when this exact bill was introduced by Charlie (tax evader) Rangel?

It's in the constitution that they can draft you at any time. Presidents have drafted young men before. This is not new folks! Plus, it will never leave the house. The current congress will never touch this hot potato. It will die in committee along with the other hundreds of bills.

Why are you mad now and not then?

Originally posted by crichton13
Shame it's not enacted really...

At least for 18 - 24 year olds.

It would quadruple the literacy and IQ of the kids in 2 years - make them respect society and themselves which would reduce crime to much safer levels in your country.

National Service here in the UK was phased out in the late 50's - just when all the increases in Crime generally started to rise.

All my older family members did their tour - and they ALL said it made them better people.

It is a job creator that's for sure.

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Really? ... Really?

You haven't served in the military, have you? I'd sure love to give you the grand tour to show you all the lovably respectful soldiers and marines with good literacy rates and "higher IQs".

I've been in plenty of installations, overseas, and in the states themselves. Some of these places are crime-ridden cesspools, akin to frat party dumps, but worse. Worse in that they make a reasonable attempt to hide it, but it's like trying to polish a turd without even minding the stink.

I knew a few soldiers, personally, that could not read. I am not joking. They could not read.

Frankly, I find you to be an idiot, to suggest that people could somehow become more intelligent if they joined the military. Absurd, just utterly absurd.

The requirements to be a soldier these days are simply rock-bottom. There are no improvements done to a person's worth. People go in disrespectful, dumb, and poorly educated, and they come out just the same. If not worse. Frankly, it's the preferable recruit, and it's the target crowd of the recruiters themselves. Easy targets, faster numbers growth.

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I really wish they WOULD re-introduce national service over here in the UK.

Can it get any worse???? Obummer and his henchmen are doing so much bad it's hard to keep track of it all. Thanks for the informative post. Now I have another reason not to sleep at night.

Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by crichton13

 

Really? ... Really?

You haven't served in the military, have you? I'd sure love to give you the grand tour to show you all the lovably respectful soldiers and marines with good literacy rates and "higher IQs".

I've been in plenty of installations, overseas, and in the states themselves. Some of these places are crime-ridden cesspools, akin to frat party dumps, but worse. Worse in that they make a reasonable attempt to hide it, but it's like trying to polish a turd without even minding the stink.

I knew a few soldiers, personally, that could not read. I am not joking. They could not read.

Frankly, I find you to be an idiot, to suggest that people could somehow become more intelligent if they joined the military. Absurd, just utterly absurd.

The requirements to be a soldier these days are simply rock-bottom. There are no improvements done to a person's worth. People go in disrespectful, dumb, and poorly educated, and they come out just the same. If not worse. Frankly, it's the preferable recruit, and it's the target crowd of the recruiters themselves. Easy targets, faster numbers growth.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by SyphonX]

I spent a couple of decades in the Corps. Never met a man or woman who didn't learn something along the way while serving. At the very least it broadened their horizons. Just boot camp alone you learn how to swim, exercise, handle a weapon, respect authority, hygiene, resourcefulness, tactics, proper diet habits, attention to detail, etc etc etc.

I can see them all lining up now. People who previously thought themselves to have no real meaning in life, lining up to sign on the line and receive their 'honour' in a little box. Do as we say son and everyone will think you're great.

They sign and walk away punching the air with chants of 'U..S..A.... U..S..A....'

It is a nightmare. Again I ask: What will anyone actually DO... DO to stop this or any other control mechanism? I still say... nothing.

No plan of action exists.
There is no coherent liberty movement. There is controlled opposition. Just look at how mainstream media and the brain-dead Palin aligned themselves with the tea-party movement that grew out of Ron Pauls campaigns.

If there appears any 'movement' for change, it can easily be handled, patronised, taken ownership of, re-packaged and re-sold as something different.

The system has mechanisms within it to manage dissent. It can not be changed from within. We must not comply. We must not participate in the system. That is what will bring the corrupt, soiled thing down.

Voting give credibility to the system. If nobody votes they have no mandate. The system has no credibility. If you vote you are giving the system your backing. The choices you are presented with in any election are all acceptable to the system. All participants are acceptable to it.

Reminds me of a certain movie....Starship Troopers. I do not disagree with the idea that we should all be patriotic and love our country. I also believe that we should be ready to defend our country. But when I say defend, I also mean ourselves as a people who are suppose to be free to have rights that have been fought for and won. I have not served in the military, but hold the highest respect and debt to our soldiers who have, do, and will put their selves in harms way to defend our flag, country and population as a whole. I do not have any problems with a draft when times force the situation. What i do have a problem with is the someone telling me I don't have a choice. What do we all do now as legal civilians of this country? Isn't going to work day in and day out to pay our taxes to provide shelter to those here illegally living off of us being a civilian? Did any one of us vote for Obamacare? Do I as a CIVILIAN have any rights anymore? The last 2 years has stripped me of several and I'm sure the next 2 will really be better I'm sure. Thank you my Democratic war mongering government for making the lives of the so called Land of the Free and Home of the Brave civilians the new government slave nation. We appreciate it.

Originally posted by Atom12
Can it get any worse???? Obummer and his henchmen are doing so much bad it's hard to keep track of it all. Thanks for the informative post. Now I have another reason not to sleep at night.

This is not new though! Nothing Obama has done is new except Health care reform and financial reform. He has created more jobs than Bush did in 8 years. He stopped a crashing ecomony by signing the recovery act. The man basically performed open heart surgery on the economy and stopped the bleeding.

None of this is new because that's what he said he would do before he got elected.

Why are you guys mad now?

Nationalism,Pride,Duty,Service,Patriotism,Loyalty,Religion,Economic Classification,Ethnicity,Brand Loyalty,.........(stupid)

Wow,A lot of people are still stuck on the same old crap that makes the world such a wonderful place to live in.

When will our species mature and stop categorizing,classifying,separating and discriminating?.

Soldiers are nothing more than murderers,I had to find that out the hard way myself,AND IT DID NOT MAKE ME A BETTER MAN THAN I WAS,it only screwed me up for 20 plus years,trying to forget what I had done.

The U.S. was founded to get away from exactly what it has become.

FAIL!.

Originally posted by SWCCFAN
reply to post by endisnighe

 

We need to vote them all out.

(of course that will never happen thanks to thos vote stealing electronic voting machines)

Really??? Well Florida said otherwise.

Twice

Originally posted by crkking
Reminds me of a certain movie....Starship Troopers. I do not disagree with the idea that we should all be patriotic and love our country. I also believe that we should be ready to defend our country. But when I say defend, I also mean ourselves as a people who are suppose to be free to have rights that have been fought for and won. I have not served in the military, but hold the highest respect and debt to our soldiers who have, do, and will put their selves in harms way to defend our flag, country and population as a whole. I do not have any problems with a draft when times force the situation. What i do have a problem with is the someone telling me I don't have a choice. What do we all do now as legal civilians of this country? Isn't going to work day in and day out to pay our taxes to provide shelter to those here illegally living off of us being a civilian? Did any one of us vote for Obamacare? Do I as a CIVILIAN have any rights anymore? The last 2 years has stripped me of several and I'm sure the next 2 will really be better I'm sure. Thank you my Democratic war mongering government for making the lives of the so called Land of the Free and Home of the Brave civilians the new government slave nation. We appreciate it.

Again, when you cast your vote for congress then you give them the authority to vote for you. Nowhere in the constitution does it say they have to check back with you once you elect them. Nowhere in the constitution does it say "check the polls" before you vote. Nowhere in the constitution does it say your vote actually counts for anything. All it counts for is electing someone to speak for you. It's called representation. Your senator and congressman represented you for Obamacare.

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That is what it is all about,COMPLIANCE!,one has to figure out how one complied with a lot of things over time unconscienably,then you can be in non-compliance without enduring the penalty for not complying.

You are not being forced to do anything you didn't get tricked into agreeing with,the language and contractual liability you stumble into ignorantly is what imprisons you,and removes free will from the equation.

It is so convoluted that one has to hire a lawyer to figure out how they got tricked into the situation one may find one's self in.

Why do you think so many politicians are ex-lawyers?.

The writing of law should not be allowed by those who worked in the enforcement of law....

It's kind of like a conflict of interest.

reply to post by Arkady

What do you think the new voluntary charity work that Cameron is introducing is about? do you really think its putting the unemployed to work for charities, helping to make the UK a better place for all? NO, both the US and the UK (Bothers in ARMS) need CANNON FODDER, because the countries we are attacking have the audacity to fight back. Just wait till you go to the dole office and one of the jobs you are offered is the army, if you refuse. your money will be stopped. lt hasnt happened yet, but Slowly slowly catchie monkey. Be careful what you wish for.

This might make me move if passed. Or just exert my freewill and not comply... end up in a FEMA camp... I think we should all (all who disagree, that is) send a letter saying how we disagree with this bill.

Here's a little more info on the guy introducing this bill...

Charles Rangel has sponsored 352 bills since Jan 6, 1987 of which 286 haven't made it out of committee and 32 were successfully enacted.

Some of Rangel’s most recently sponsored bills include...

H.R. 3576: Ex-Offenders Voting Rights Act of 2009
H.R. 3933: Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009
H.R. 5160: Haiti Economic Lift Program Act of 2010
H.Con.Res. 277: Expressing the sense of Congress that Lena Horne should be recognized as one of the most outstanding American entertainers of the 20th century, who broke racial barriers and created opportunities for generations of African American performers who followed in her footsteps.
H.Res. 1349: Recognizing Percy Sutton as one of the Nation's most influential political, civil rights, and business leaders, who, through his brilliance, courage, and compassion, inspired countless people in the United States.