The infamous Turkey UFO a yacht?

[edit on 19-7-2010 by KIZZZY]

reply to post by Chadwickus


I agree with you Chad......found the same thing! Mexican UFO's as

well with the horizon!

[edit on 19-7-2010 by KIZZZY]

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I was just playing around with the photo after noticing that

there is an opening on the inner part of the marina so I thought

to line it up....Hey just a stab in the dark!

Before I post a few impressions about the 'Duarte report' and about the whole scenario, I shall make a confession - I have not thoroughly looked over the report. But there's a reason, and it is an important point that needs to be made.

Text that is translated by automated means, or even by an experienced translator, is ALWAYS extremely suspect, ESPECIALLY when it is using specialised language. To give an extremely pertinent example, terms like translucent, transparent, luminous, specular, reflective, etc are easily mistranslated and can give a TOTALLY wrong impression of the points being made.

The ONLY circumstance under which I would seriously entertain all the contents of a translated report such as this are:

1. That it was WRITTEN by a credible, reputable, well-known expert in the field. (I'm not convinced of that, in either the yacht report or the Tubitak report! - more about that later)

2. That it was translated by an expert in both languages, and someone who was also proficient in the disciplines involved.

3. That the translation was done as a proper collaboration by the parties, and that the result is signed off in some way by the original author.

In other words, Google translation doesn't cut it...


Anyway, that proviso out of the way, I'll be back shortly with a summary of what, imo, are the most telling points...

First up, a few comments about the Duarte report.

In my not-so-humble opinion it is.. plausible, but not especially convincing. It's possible that some of the imagery is some part of a yacht/vessel. It's also possible they are models, or something else entirely - and I'll talk more about that later...

My problem with that report is that it *appears* to draw several unwarranted conclusions, and also contains some flawed photographic 'science'. But.. how can one be sure given the lousy translation?

For example - this bit:

In the videos, there’s an extreme zoom ... a distance/size ratio of over 100. In these conditions a specular, convex surface would appear as a luminous point, as the reflected light would be scattered.

I'm sorry, but.. WHAT??? Yes, small bright things may bloom out, but without *actual* sizes and brightness levels, you can't simply say that it happened. It may look like it happened, but you can't just make assumptions like that.

That is followed by:

The conclusion is that the objects must be straight or just slightly bent specular reflectors, in a situation where they reflect light directly to the observer..

I'm sorry, but that just makes ZERO sense to me - can anyone explain what he is talking about? The images that follow that seem only vaguely related, and his example uses a nearby long, straight light source? - how is that relevant?? Where has he discussed whether the surface in question is highly reflective (like polished chrome, or matt (like brushed aluminum), and the nature of the lighting? I hope that these are simply translation issues, but the problem seems a little deeper...

He also refers to the 'color decomposition' effect, and claims that it isn't shown on other objects - yet I don't see where Yalman used the full zoom level on the Moon, or anything else. The effects look exactly like chromatic aberration to me - in fact, to be very specific, the sort of CA found when you use a teleconverter on an already 'stretched' lens, and then amateurishly add digital zoom.. Bleeeuch. What an awful thing to do to a (very good) Canon lens. More about all that later, too! If anyone can point me to a frame grab showing another contrasty object at full zoom, please feel free...

Anyway, there's a lot more that troubles me about this report (and I gotta say, visiting Duarte's website didn't exactly instil me with respect...), but I'll leave it at my initial comment.

Plausible, but only just. And some of the report is VERY questionable.


Now you may be thinking that having criticised that report, I believe that Yalcin Yalman may have captured something significant...?

AU CONTRAIRE, mes amis!!

I'll be back later to offer my comments about the actual videos themselves, and they are not going to be flattering to Mr Yalman, let alone Maussan and Garza/Ytturia/Santiago/whatever.

More to come later...

[edit on 20-7-2010 by CHRLZ]

HHmmmm! I have watched this footage many times, and i think the boat explanation is a bit OTT. The object clearly looks nothing like the window of a boat. If this is the case, then it should not be too hard to replicate to prove this theory. Now, im all for getting to the bottom of ufo cases, proved hoaxed,natuarl,unexplained or what, i dont mind, but the boat explanation for this case is not good at all in my opinion. Still unexplained in my eyes.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I agree with you Chadwikus.

This is clearly and absolutely an (INTERSTELLAR) YACHT! period!

Question:

Summer and springtime in Turkey, 2007, 2008 and 2009 these UFOs

appeared in the same place? I really don't know so I am asking: "Is that

correct?"

reply to post by KIZZZY

Yes. You are correct.

reply to post by Phage


Well phage...I find that quite odd don't you?

I mean that fact alone is very suspect IMO.

Must be the new vacation spot for UFO's. They must of spread the word

around about the great calamari!






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[edit on 21-7-2010 by KIZZZY]

Originally posted by KIZZZY
Question:

Summer and springtime in Turkey, 2007, 2008 and 2009 these UFOs

appeared in the same place? I really don't know so I am asking: "Is that

correct?"

You know, that strengthens the yacht explanation.

Every summer the same yacht gets moored at the same spot.

Not that an outlandish theory?

Perhaps Jaime takes Santiago there every year in his yacht for a romantic get away?

The infamous Turkey (interstellar) Yahct, hover above the sea.

You can see clearly the waves on its flanks and the crew to the pothole.



Yeah! Really an outlandish and moron theory without any proof.

When that case was last prsented here at ATS a few months ago, I assumed I had pretty much knocked it in the head. I pointed out that if the video was to be believed, the exact same object would have to repeated appear in exactly the same orientation in the sky over a period two or three weeks and just hang there. That just doesn't happen with UFOs.

I'm happy to see some one actually put some effort into debunking the case because it always had a big stink to it.

It would be good for the supporters of that case to review their imput to the threads on it and note when solid speculations spun got out of the normal bounds of reasoning and went into an area of fantastical projections. When that happens any credibility of the case--true or not--AND that of the poster take a beating. It's like handing somebody a baseball bat and saying,"Here, hit me with this until I come to my senses."

reply to post by Aliensun


Why can't a UFO do just that? Are you the authority on what UFOs can and cannot do?

This yacht theory seems ridiculous for many reasons, which still haven't been addressed. I'd be willing to accept it was a clever hoax, before I'd say it was a single lighted window of a yacht that kept mooring at the same location, with no anchor lights, no movement, and those taping it, even though they lived on the coast, were stupid enough to be suckered by a flipping yacht.. repeatedly.

I'd believe that was a UFO with bigfoot and Elvis in it before I'd believe it was a yacht...it looks absolutely nothing like a boat at all..and the evidence doesn't support it as well

[edit on 22-7-2010 by primetime2123]

Hello friends. I've been a long time observer on this site and this is my first time posting. The reason why I decided to write on this specific topic is because I own a beach house in Kumburgaz and have spent all my summer vacations in that town for the past 30 yrs.

I can't comment on this specific case but anybody who lives in this region is pretty accustomed to UFOs. There have been some incredible sightings over the years and the villagers who live a couple kms inland will tell you all kinds of stories ranging from UFO landings on their crops to giant ships reaching incredible speeds in the night sky. Some summers, it gets so intense that I invite my buddies to join me in my balcony for drinks and to catch UFOs throughout the night.

I've always wondered why this place is so active in terms of UFOs. I guess no one can answer that question but I do want to let you all know about a geological anomoly in this region. There's a place about 10 kms from Kumburgaz. In this little town, there's a hill that's pretty steep. When you drive to that hill, you can stop your car at the bottom and even turn it off and the car will start going uphill by itself. Same thing goes for water. I can't even speculate the reasons for this anomoly but I would be curious to know if there was any connection. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know. Good day to you all.

Originally posted by Lupelius
Hello friends. I've been a long time observer on this site and this is my first time posting. The reason why I decided to write on this specific topic is because I own a beach house in Kumburgaz and have spent all my summer vacations in that town for the past 30 yrs.

I can't comment on this specific case but anybody who lives in this region is pretty accustomed to UFOs. There have been some incredible sightings over the years and the villagers who live a couple kms inland will tell you all kinds of stories ranging from UFO landings on their crops to giant ships reaching incredible speeds in the night sky. Some summers, it gets so intense that I invite my buddies to join me in my balcony for drinks and to catch UFOs throughout the night.

I've always wondered why this place is so active in terms of UFOs. I guess no one can answer that question but I do want to let you all know about a geological anomoly in this region. There's a place about 10 kms from Kumburgaz. In this little town, there's a hill that's pretty steep. When you drive to that hill, you can stop your car at the bottom and even turn it off and the car will start going uphill by itself. Same thing goes for water. I can't even speculate the reasons for this anomoly but I would be curious to know if there was any connection. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know. Good day to you all.

Forgive my questioning, but would you be kind enough to provide a few images of your surroundings to prove you are from Kumburgaz? And if you are from there, is there any reason why you would not be willing to answer some questions about the region, and Yalcin's location specifically, and also do a few observations and perhaps take some pictures to assist in the analysis?

Finally, even though it really deserves a separate thread, can you give precise GPS coordinates (ie lat/lon) for your claimed 'anti-gravity' hill, or even just the road name and a few clues.., and we can then take a look at the *actual* contours/terrain..

reply to post by Arken


Re the video

STRANGE 4.47 pm Aug the 1ST 2007 the sky would not be dark at that time in that part of the world 10pm may be but not 4.47pm

reply to post by CHRLZ



Sure, no problem. I am, however, at work at the moment. It's 10 am in Istanbul. I will be in Kumburgaz around 6 pm today. I'll take some pics of the area and post it here. I am not sure how I could give the GPS coordınates of the hill. I'll ask around my circle to see if they can help me. If you all could give me a week, I can even film the anomoly and post it here. My girlfriend is currently in England and she took my high quality camera with her.

Just realized I didnt answer the other questions. The hill is in a town called Ortakoy. The hill is closed to an area called "Ortakoy Sapagı".

I am not exactly sure where Yalcın's place is located but Kumburgaz is a small town and it seems like his house is right by the water just like mine. İf you all have any questions about the region, pls let me know and I'll do my best to help.