Judge declares US gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional, page 2

reply to post by boondock-saint

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If everyone immediately turned gay we could turn to female plus female reproduction. The techniques for this already exist. Or gay females could have children the way they do now. Being gay doesn't stop conception.

But everyone isn't going to turn gay, so why ask the question? Homophobia perhaps?



[edit on 9/7/2010 by LightFantastic]

Originally posted by LightFantastic
reply to post by boondock-saint

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If everyone immediately turned gay we could turn to female plus female reproduction. The techniques for this already exist. Or gay females could have children the way they do now. Being gay doesn't stop conception.

But everyone isn't going to turn gay, so why ask the question? Homophobia perhaps?



[edit on 9/7/2010 by LightFantastic]

The technique exists....but only through science. and of the lab tested rats this technique was used on....the embryo's either died or had major birth defects.

If women(lesbians) had some fantasy world where men did not exist...they need to wake up.

also calling people homophobes does not work anymore.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by Proudconservative]

reply to post by boondock-saint

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Boondock, I think I can actually answer this one for you. I am a gay female, well bi, but I am in a 4 year relationship with a woman. I've never been with a woman than for the sexual thrills of a man (the ever fantasized 3 or more somes), before I started my relationship with my girlfriend. Just as a side note, i'm not lumping all guys into this atypical fantasy, but we all know how it is. This is the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. We can talk openly, neither of is abusive towards the other, we've had a stable home since we've been together, and all and all our lives are great. You know what the exceptions are? The hatred and the glares we get from outright strangers if we openly show our affection for each other in certain public areas. Mind you, we are respectful and aren't sexual deviants (in public lol) but if I hold my girlfriends hand, and a mother happens to walk down the city streets beside us, 6 out of 10 times we are going to get a hateful comment or "that glare". But we still endure, do you know many straight couples that could endure being exiled from their family's, half their friends and complete strangers, treated like a lower life form and still hold steadfast to their love for each other? I don't know many that have had to even try, but I see many "straight" (I hate making distinctions) relationships fail for less, even my own. Now that I've shown you how strong our bond and love is for each other I want to let you know what is missing....our ability to make decisions concerning each other in medical emergencies (her nearest "kin" is 3000 miles away and don't really care anyway), the ability to insure each other when one of us may not be able to carry ourselves, the rights to be recognized as a true citizen. We are treated like second class citizens, by most of society and our government. To FINALLY get to your answer (sorry, I felt the background to be relevant) , everything would be just fine, civilization would continue, procreation would continue. Just because I've chosen to be with a women (yes, I CHOSE, I don't distinguish myself as gay, therefor i made a choice), doesn't mean I've lost my desire to procreate. We intend to have a child, we want a child, and we are not going to do it by scientific means, we're doing it the old fashioned way, with a close male friend of ours. I'm sure we're not the only couple to do it this way, in fact, I know of 2 others myself....do you have any idea how expensive the other means can be with no guarantee? But we're waiting, we're waiting for equal rights. We want our child to be raised with the same benefits and rights that a child would receive being born to straight parents. If this never happens, we probably will not have a child. The thought of this rips my heart straight from my chest even as I type, but this is our stance. If everyone were to turn gay, and governments still wouldn't budge on their rules we'd still have procreation because regardless of sexual orientation, the desire to procreate is just as alive as it is within the straight community.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

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How can you equate the right to marry with the right to carry guns??

There's a huge difference in consequence or potential effect of the two. Marrying someone is a potential risk to your own well being and maybe your spouse and children but that is about it.

Carrying a loaded weapon opens potential risk of severe consequences to just about anyone who comes in contact with the carrier -- like death. There is a legitimate reason so many jurisdictions and countries impose restrictions.

Talk about apples and oranges. No similarity here at all.

[edit on 7/9/2010 by wayno]

reply to post by The Theorist

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Theorist, why are you so tied to what it's called if end the definition is the same?
I personally don't care what they call it as long as it is in every way equal the right rights given to a "married" couple, just curious about the hang up over the phrasing.

Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

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How can you equate the right to marry with the right to carry guns??

How cant I? People are either free or they arent. You cant pick and choose "nice" freedoms. Certainly you can't pick and choose them then expect it to make any difference.

Proposing the theoretical "a gun poses a threat" is just as nonsensical as those homophobic claiming "gays marrying will destroy society."

Because your particular brand of "for your own good" totalitarianism is more soft and cuddly than somebody elses doesnt make you any less an ignorance driven fascist. A bigot even.

reply to post by 6minutes212

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It's an equal ground decision. I personally don't "approve" of gay relationships but I do accept them as a reality. It's my attempt to find a common ground on this subject. Something both sides need to do. It's called compromising. Finding a middle ground. Something that seems lost on today's world.

I'm not going to go into a rant as to why I do not approve of gay relationships. That's a heated topic which I do not want to go into here on ATS. However I respect that our Constitution promises freedom of expression, pursuit of happiness, and so on. So I accept that gay couples should have the freedom to pursue equal protections under the law.

Like I said, I'm a traditionalist. I want 'Marriage' to be defined as between a man & a woman. Civil unions with equal protections under the law for the LGBT community.

Marriage is just a word but that word has symbolized something through-out history. I believe it should continue to symbolize traditional marriage for the rest of time.

I'm not hating on the LGBT community, either. I'm just stating a personal belief. My wife and I have a few gay friends.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by The Theorist]

Originally posted by The Theorist
reply to post by 6minutes212

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It's an equal ground decision. I personally don't "approve" of gay relationships but I do accept them as a reality.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by The Theorist]

That could be said by some to be the issue at hand. By what authority do you have the right to approve or disapprove?

Myself, I am straight, male and I prefer blondes. I do not even assume I have the right to make a judgement call on what anyone else does. There is a line of course, coercion or force. That is a matter of law though. But in a free society I have no right to even make a call on what anyone else thinks or does. The concept of even beginning to form a judgement on another is strange to me. I would not begin the thought process.

reply to post by Pentothal

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I'm allowed to have an opinion, am I not? I'm allowed to be free-thinking, am I not? I am allowed to stay true to my beliefs, am I not?

Answering all of the above 'Yes!' gives me the the right to form a free-thinking and belief fueled opinion on said subject; and by that standard, I have the ability to approve/disprove.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by The Theorist]

Originally posted by Parallex
Something tells me we will see the right-wing and religious christian 'crazies' turn up on this thread to denounce your support of liberty for gay folks.

I agree with you OP - equal rights FOR ALL. Let's hope this good trend continues.

Parallex.

Left wing people denounce it also. See this site:
townhall.com...

And Christians aren't crazy.

[edit on 7/9/2010 by texastig]

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