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reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 09:57 AM by 6minutes212
reply to post by texastig



Herein lies the problem. It is not an issue or social immorality, its religious immorality. The bible says it's wrong, so it's wrong. Do you really believe everything you read in books? I can tell you, I'm no more moral or immoral now being with a woman than I was when I was with a man, unless you are trying to hold me to religious standards instead of social.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:00 AM by 6minutes212
reply to post by The Theorist



Just so you know, I wasn't coming at you in any negative way, I was just confused about your hang up on the wording. I wish more people in your position could have the same views about it as you do. I understand a lot of people don't accept it, there are many things I find unacceptable as well and must tolerate, many people with your view cannot find that common ground.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:02 AM by 6minutes212
reply to post by texastig



Because I own my body, no one else, I decide what to do with it.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:02 AM by texastig
Originally posted by Proudconservative
So... all of the states that continue to define marriage as one man+one woman can still do so, and the federal government should stay out of it, right? So – wouldn't this prevent California's Proposition 8 from being struck down by a federal court? Or is this one of those funny one-way walls?

The LGBT community has shot themselves in the foot. You guys actually think of this as a victory? all this does is say that the FED GOV. has no right telling the STATES what marriage is. The states decide what marriage is.

I thought about this a little more and i realized that gay people still lose. Because like i said all this does is say that STATES decide what marriage is. That means if states like california ban or make a ammendment against gay marriage,gay people cant go to the federal court and whine. BECAUSE STATES DECIDE. Gay people are idiots...can they not even look that far ahead? What are you gonna do about PROP 8 now? You cant challenge it federally. Because the FEDS hands are tied. If they tried to strike down PROP 8 and other bans and ammendments IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Do you gay people here really think this is a victory? Maybe right NOW. But when even more states start filing ammendments to ban or not recognize same sex marriage what are you gonna do? what happens if those states that do have gay marriage RIGHT NOW gets it banned again? You cant whine to the FED....remember....there hands are tied. If they tried to do something it would unconstitutional.


That is excellent!!!


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:12 AM by texastig
Originally posted by 6minutes212
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post by boondock-saint



Boondock, I think I can actually answer this one for you. I am a gay female, well bi, but I am in a 4 year relationship with a woman. I've never been with a woman than for the sexual thrills of a man (the ever fantasized 3 or more somes), before I started my relationship with my girlfriend. Just as a side note, i'm not lumping all guys into this atypical fantasy, but we all know how it is. This is the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. We can talk openly, neither of is abusive towards the other, we've had a stable home since we've been together, and all and all our lives are great. You know what the exceptions are? The hatred and the glares we get from outright strangers if we openly show our affection for each other in certain public areas. Mind you, we are respectful and aren't sexual deviants (in public lol) but if I hold my girlfriends hand, and a mother happens to walk down the city streets beside us, 6 out of 10 times we are going to get a hateful comment or "that glare". But we still endure, do you know many straight couples that could endure being exiled from their family's, half their friends and complete strangers, treated like a lower life form and still hold steadfast to their love for each other? I don't know many that have had to even try, but I see many "straight" (I hate making distinctions) relationships fail for less, even my own. Now that I've shown you how strong our bond and love is for each other I want to let you know what is missing....our ability to make decisions concerning each other in medical emergencies (her nearest "kin" is 3000 miles away and don't really care anyway), the ability to insure each other when one of us may not be able to carry ourselves, the rights to be recognized as a true citizen. We are treated like second class citizens, by most of society and our government. To FINALLY get to your answer (sorry, I felt the background to be relevant) , everything would be just fine, civilization would continue, procreation would continue. Just because I've chosen to be with a women (yes, I CHOSE, I don't distinguish myself as gay, therefor i made a choice), doesn't mean I've lost my desire to procreate. We intend to have a child, we want a child, and we are not going to do it by scientific means, we're doing it the old fashioned way, with a close male friend of ours. I'm sure we're not the only couple to do it this way, in fact, I know of 2 others myself....do you have any idea how expensive the other means can be with no guarantee? But we're waiting, we're waiting for equal rights. We want our child to be raised with the same benefits and rights that a child would receive being born to straight parents. If this never happens, we probably will not have a child. The thought of this rips my heart straight from my chest even as I type, but this is our stance. If everyone were to turn gay, and governments still wouldn't budge on their rules we'd still have procreation because regardless of sexual orientation, the desire to procreate is just as alive as it is within the straight community.


You can't be gay and bi at the same time.
Anyone openly showing affection in public is rude because others don't want to see that and especially parents with kids.
Having a baby with another women by a man is being fake.
Babies thrive better with a mom and dad and that is a fact.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:21 AM by 6minutes212
reply to post by texastig



Please site sources for your "facts". Really, you are just frightened because you see your point of view becoming the view of the minority and not the majority. But by all means, if you can show me, unbiased, scientific, not religious studies that prove your point of view I'd be more than happy to read them and debate.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:21 AM by texastig
Originally posted by 6minutes212
reply to
post by texastig



Herein lies the problem. It is not an issue or social immorality, its religious immorality. The bible says it's wrong, so it's wrong. Do you really believe everything you read in books? I can tell you, I'm no more moral or immoral now being with a woman than I was when I was with a man, unless you are trying to hold me to religious standards instead of social.


What matters is what the Bible says. And yes I do believe everything in the good Book. It sure is a social issue because society will be destroyed because low morals bring destruction.
Sex outside of marriage (marriage being between a man and woman) is sin.
Socially the best thing for kids is a married man and woman. That is a fact.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 10:21 AM by texastig
Originally posted by 6minutes212
reply to
post by texastig



Tell it to the catholic church buddy.


You are assuming. I have no catholic church buddies.
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