Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
I am a christian, however it does not effect me what these people do. I couldn't care less really. I can only be responsible for myself. I have a gay cousin, and support her 100%.
Originally posted by OldDragger
The Constitution says every citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law. I don't see why that shouldn't apply to gay people.
If the State has a "compelling reason" to ban gay marriage, I'd sure like to hear it. The only reasons I hear are religious, the State should not enforce any religious doctrine.
Gay marriage IS legal in truth, there is no reason to prohibit it.
It's a right that hasn't been recognized, but it's still a right. The Government shouldn't be in the marriage defining business anyway, except for tax purposes.
Originally posted by I AM LEGION
I read in other thread on ATS some Christian guy was trying to use slippery slope to suppress supporters. He said "marriage for animals is next!" Guess what, an animal can't sign a piece of paper, and they lack our level of intelligence. The law should state that marriage is a union between two consenting adult humans.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
There's no logical or valid argument for denying gays the right to marry under the current system.
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
about dang time there rights were respected this is a land mark case for human rights in the usa i just hope the crazys don't go all nutty on every one or take matters in to there own hands gay people are just that people like you and me and they have the RIGHT to get married!
Originally posted by Proudconservative
So... all of the states that continue to define marriage as one man+one woman can still do so, and the federal government should stay out of it, right? So – wouldn't this prevent California's Proposition 8 from being struck down by a federal court? Or is this one of those funny one-way walls?
The LGBT community has shot themselves in the foot. You guys actually think of this as a victory? all this does is say that the FED GOV. has no right telling the STATES what marriage is. The states decide what marriage is.
I thought about this a little more and i realized that gay people still lose. Because like i said all this does is say that STATES decide what marriage is. That means if states like california ban or make a ammendment against gay marriage,gay people cant go to the federal court and whine. BECAUSE STATES DECIDE. Gay people are idiots...can they not even look that far ahead? What are you gonna do about PROP 8 now? You cant challenge it federally. Because the FEDS hands are tied. If they tried to strike down PROP 8 and other bans and ammendments IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Do you gay people here really think this is a victory? Maybe right NOW. But when even more states start filing ammendments to ban or not recognize same sex marriage what are you gonna do? what happens if those states that do have gay marriage RIGHT NOW gets it banned again? You cant whine to the FED....remember....there hands are tied. If they tried to do something it would unconstitutional.
Originally posted by boondock-saint
let me ask a question:
what if ...... just what if
everybody in the entire world
immediately turned gay.
How would we procreate as a species ????
man + woman = life
man + man = death
woman + woman = death
why is that so hard to comprehend how we
were supposed to be to sustain ourselves???
[edit on 9-7-2010 by boondock-saint]
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Marriage it's self is unconstitutional. It is part of our right to life liberty and happiness. Yet the government feels they can license our inalienable rights.
Marriage is between two consenting adults, and whoever decides to marry them within their community. It is not the business of the government.
However since the government unlawfully made it their business (mind the pun), then they are denying a civil right to citizens by not allowing homosexuals to marry.
If the government wasn't involved. Straight people wouldn't even be complaining about homosexuals not deserving the right to marry. Entirely circumventing this whole debate.
Nor would straight couples, or any couple for that matter need to pay to be married.
Originally posted by 6minutes212
reply to post by boondock-saint
Boondock, I think I can actually answer this one for you. I am a gay female, well bi, but I am in a 4 year relationship with a woman. I've never been with a woman than for the sexual thrills of a man (the ever fantasized 3 or more somes), before I started my relationship with my girlfriend. Just as a side note, i'm not lumping all guys into this atypical fantasy, but we all know how it is. This is the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. We can talk openly, neither of is abusive towards the other, we've had a stable home since we've been together, and all and all our lives are great. You know what the exceptions are? The hatred and the glares we get from outright strangers if we openly show our affection for each other in certain public areas. Mind you, we are respectful and aren't sexual deviants (in public lol) but if I hold my girlfriends hand, and a mother happens to walk down the city streets beside us, 6 out of 10 times we are going to get a hateful comment or "that glare". But we still endure, do you know many straight couples that could endure being exiled from their family's, half their friends and complete strangers, treated like a lower life form and still hold steadfast to their love for each other? I don't know many that have had to even try, but I see many "straight" (I hate making distinctions) relationships fail for less, even my own. Now that I've shown you how strong our bond and love is for each other I want to let you know what is missing....our ability to make decisions concerning each other in medical emergencies (her nearest "kin" is 3000 miles away and don't really care anyway), the ability to insure each other when one of us may not be able to carry ourselves, the rights to be recognized as a true citizen. We are treated like second class citizens, by most of society and our government. To FINALLY get to your answer (sorry, I felt the background to be relevant) , everything would be just fine, civilization would continue, procreation would continue. Just because I've chosen to be with a women (yes, I CHOSE, I don't distinguish myself as gay, therefor i made a choice), doesn't mean I've lost my desire to procreate. We intend to have a child, we want a child, and we are not going to do it by scientific means, we're doing it the old fashioned way, with a close male friend of ours. I'm sure we're not the only couple to do it this way, in fact, I know of 2 others myself....do you have any idea how expensive the other means can be with no guarantee? But we're waiting, we're waiting for equal rights. We want our child to be raised with the same benefits and rights that a child would receive being born to straight parents. If this never happens, we probably will not have a child. The thought of this rips my heart straight from my chest even as I type, but this is our stance. If everyone were to turn gay, and governments still wouldn't budge on their rules we'd still have procreation because regardless of sexual orientation, the desire to procreate is just as alive as it is within the straight community.
Originally posted by The Theorist
I'm a traditionalist. I believe that traditional marriage is between a man, and a woman. This belief stems from the way I was raised.
However, I do believe LGBT couples deserve equal rights and equal protections. This country was founded on freedom. And getting married to whomever you desire is at the core of 'freedom'.
I'd like to see civil unions for gay couples on equal footing with marriage. I just don't want it called marriage.
They deserve all the same rights, though.
Originally posted by Shadowflux
One day gay marriage will be legal, it's inevitable, and our children will think about how stupid it was that we would even debate such an obvious issue. It's just like how most of us, now, think it's crazy that black people had so many restrictions on their freedoms.
Hate filled people will always be hate filled and will always seek to curtail the liberty of other people in an attempt to make them equally as miserable.
Children are different than they used to be they're already used to gay people, they already accept them in life and in media, if we don't legalize gay marriage then I'm sure our children's generation will do so.
The ignorant and hate filled will just have to find another group of people to apply incorrect generalizations to.
Originally posted by 6minutes212
reply to post by texastig
Herein lies the problem. It is not an issue or social immorality, its religious immorality. The bible says it's wrong, so it's wrong. Do you really believe everything you read in books? I can tell you, I'm no more moral or immoral now being with a woman than I was when I was with a man, unless you are trying to hold me to religious standards instead of social.