When is the time when enough is enough? A look at Armed Revolution in Modern USA

Well talking ot the politicians sure as hell does not work and they say we have a democracy when you get to vote for cammel $hit or dog $hit put forward by the zionist media and banksters.

You can avoid blood by getting the millitary on your side and i'm not talking about top brass but your common grunt who are as sick of the leaders as we are and are only in the army because no real jobs exist.

Just asking questions in the USA can get you in trouble and you should push back any way and every way you can.

it's a shame Ron Paul is not younger

reply to post by MrWendal


Actually an armed revolution might fail. Let me just point out the reasons why.

You might have guns, but the Police/Army is used to being shot at. They have kevlar vests etc. You were fooled by you own right to own guns. A revolution might work in a country where the police can't really manage being shot at and have no skill in urban fighting.

All the politicians and almost all the countries are corrupt, the problem is most of us have known this for hundreds of years, it took you a while to realize it because of patriotism.

Also because of the terrorist threat you are all monitored and most government buildings are really secure. I'm sorry to say but you live in communist USSR just without the benefits of communism.

Nullification is the only outlet we have. Any talk of changing or overthrowing government can be considered treason according to their laws.

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Originally posted by boondock-saint
I refuse to be baited in an open forum

while sharing sparse idealism is fine
but when this type activity is discussed openly
you are all opening up Pandora's box
on your own.

I may not be the smartest rooster
on the mountain, but I do know
where my boundary ends.

This is NOT something to be discussed
in an open forum.

Normally I would totally agree with you and in other threads I have said much the same thing. We still have a right to free speech, although I agree that the right to free speech is under attack, however it has not yet been extinguished. AT some point there is no longer room for fear. I have reached that point. I do not fear the Federal Government. I do not fear being put on a watch list (although I may already be on one just for being a frequent visitor of this site).

Again this thread is not a "Call to Arms" it is a realistic look at the things we continue to hear about day in and day out. ATS is global. We have many members who do not understand why we as Americans are not rioting in the streets yet. We have members who feel we should be. We have some members who think Storming the White House with guns in hand is the way to go. This thread is supposed to be an open dialogue about all these issues and its effects after, and just how realistic these ideas are or are not.

I do not condone armed conflict. I have always been a supporter of the information war. Educate others, teach them the way things are supposed to be. I still have hope that all these things can be changed through information and waking others up, but I am realistic to know that those who wake up have to choose to do so.

I also know that by being fearful to discuss a topic in a responsible, educated manner you give in to the tyranny that is being thrust upon you that we claim to hate. My time to fight is now. I have decided that I will not be silent and if anyone wants to silence me, than you better just shoot me dead. I will no longer allow myself to be fearful in the sight of injustice.

Hey, this is just a quick reply that I will try to get into more detail on later, America will not go into armed revolution any time soon and that is because of one reason, we are not divided. It may not seem like it but conservative or liberal in America are two sides to the same coin, you can vent all you want on ats about how it the actions of a certain party are this and that but in the end as a whole American values are not very different, the goals are the same the method of getting there might be a little different but they are the same in the beginning and end. Europe is much more divided that us with many different parties that all want a different end goal, unlike us which strive for the same thing, that is why the constitution is so powerful whether you use it as a guide or a rule book you end up in relatively the same place.

The only way revolution would happen was if one party kept control for an extended period either through force or fraud, this would lead to revolution possibly.

I love this thread! ATS f'n rocks.
Hey I'm a vet so I've been black listed already, don't really care.
Remember this, even in secured prisons where your whole life is under control, there are riots and escapes! And to the guy who does'nt have an AR-15 and no military experience, just a glock .40, you sir are the most danger to TPTB. You are unpredictable, trust me they hate that.

P.S. From the post that I have read here, hell were going to do just fine.
keep your head down and your powder dry baby! Peace........

first, any sort of armed uprising will be met by the army. remember a little thing called the civil war?

second, no such uprising need occur. all politicians are VOTED in, and therefore can be voted out. unless you think the votes are rigged, that is the answer to policy disagreement.

third, for the christians, the people in charge are placed there by god. says so in your own book.

forth, nothing you fear to happen will, as the supreme court will overrule it.

fifth, with all the things that some say the government can do, do you really think a revolt could happen? wiretaps to figure out the plan? if, as some say, the bilderburgs were really going to eliminate a majority of people and confine the survivors to fema camps, you dont think they would utterly devestate those that oppose, your crazy. matter of fact, it works to their advantage. please remember, they have the moab bomb.

to conclude, play by the rules. vote and campaign for those that you think represent you. if you lose, guess what, most people dont think like you. that should be obvious from this very site!

Armed resistance against an oppressive government may have worked centuries ago, but these days in the industrialized world it is simply not feasible...Compared to any other time in our history the war that is being fought among the oppressed and the oppressor is a war of information imo.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by Solomons]

Originally posted by andeemac2009
Are you all Brainwashed by the Tea Party

Want to Carry a gun in Macdonald's ,, then your dangerous and stupid,, lets arm all the children in Macdonald's as well ????? yes,, this is the Tea Party's Ideology .... I say if remotely this was all true " Ship in the National Guard and rockets and tanks and lets bring it on !!!!

And YOU, are an ignorant bigot! I've carried a handgun, for 30 years, now. Into Mcdonalds, when I used to eat there. DO NOT JUDGE ME, by YOUR lack of self-control! We ARMED CITIZENS, are THE SINGLE-MOST Disciplined, law-abiding group, in the country! Yes, the TRUTH hurts, (especially when youare a socialist!)

Fact: when "concealed carry", is legalized, CRIME GOES WAAAAY DOWN. Like, 40%, on average, using FBI stats. Then again, I don't need to use statistics.
Legal MACHINEGUN owners, are THE ABSOLUTE "CLEANEST" people, in America. Since they were "taxed" in 1934, exactly ONE crime, has been committed with a LEGAL machinegun- by a POLICE OFFICER, to murder his wife, WITH HIS DUTY WEAPON! So much for police being the only "safe" people, to own guns!
FACT: by carrying a handgun, I have prevented TWO rapes/murders, in the last 20+ years. I bet most cops, can't claim that. One of those times, I permanently ELIMINATED, a "serial rapist". He will NEVER hurt ANYONE else! ( I later found-out, he had raped/threatened, AT LEAST THREE women, in my neighborhood)
Citizens, who feel the DUTY, to "go armed", shoulder a great responsibility. And- we do it WELL! MUCH better, than an average cop. I know of NO "accidental shootings", or "wrong target", when discussing ARMED CITIZENS. Better run for cover, when the cops start shooting!

YES- WE, OUTNMBER THEM, 1,000,000 : 1 !!!!! We have about 40,000,000 armed, patriotic, trained VETRANS! If just ONE PERCENT of us, were to "march on DC", armed to the teeth, we could CURE the rot. AFTER the necktie party, we could let the Military, supervise NEW elections- PAPER BALLOT, wit PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP, to vote! (I had to show MY Birth Certificate - an ORIGINAL, CERTIFIED ONE!, to register to vote!)
THEN- use the U.S. Constitution, and the BILL OF RIGHTS, to govern us again! It worked well, for the first 100 years. It worked well, until violated, by FEDGOV!

reply to post by Solomons


Yeah- it is working SO well, in Afghanistan, ans Irak.
Sorry- the FACT is, that a dedicated person, armed (and trained) with a rifle, can do an immesurable amount of harm!

I have a degree in Biochemistry. Telling me, that if Ihave a gun, I'm dangerous, is an insult, to my intelligence. For $100 in materials, a few random samples, I could grow some NASTY stuff, in my garage lab! No, it would NOT be a precise weapon, like a rifle. I MIGHT have to eliminate a neighborhood, to "hit" my target.

And- WHAT MAKES YOU THINK, THE ARMY WOULD NOT JOIN US??? I know MANY mid-level (Captain- Colonel) Officers- and NONE, are happy, with the present situation. They have been VERY VOCAL (in private), about their SUPPORT, for the American people, AND- THEIR LOYALTY, TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION! (Defend us, from all enemies, foreign, AND DOMESTIC).

reply to post by Patriotgal


My friend, you get a standing ovation for that response.
Well said!

No one in America should 'fear' the government.
That's the problem, we are in a state of constant fear.

I wrote a thread on it, to no avail, but it's so true.
People are scared to stand up to leaders for fear of losing their livelyhoods (money), or jobs, or property. But, if one puts everything in perspective, it's everything we have to fight for!

Just remember this, too:
The gov't hires citizen 'hackers', because we are smarter than them.
So let them try to do anything stupid...
The people will show who can really control it all.

We, the people, outnumber the enemy.

I'm not sure people understand how easy it would be to get people behind such an event. Back in 1776 when we declared our independance we didnt have a resource that would let us talk to anyone in the world whenever we wanted. We have the internet today folks. We have youtube. All you need to be armed with is the truth and a webcam.

It is my firm belief that once people awaken to the fact that they are being held back, that "spark" will be lit. As it is, 85% of the population has no clue what the constitution even means let alone the rights that are being taken from them on a daily basis.

Any rebellion starts with knowledge. Those that produce it and devote themselves to spreading the truth are the pioneers. What may happen when people know the truth will happen on its own.

Truth with solid evidense is our greatest asset and it can be found everywhere. Dig it up, put your facts together, and start the ball rolling. Theres no need for an armed rebellion when people are informed.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AndrewJay]

Why is revolution so popular on internet forums? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are calling for (and hoping for) and armed uprising of citizens against the government for what purpose? Have you never opened a history book to read of the many successful REFORMATIONS? It seems revolution is romanticized and glorified by those who's only course of action is the keyboard and mouse they so expertly manipulate to form pixels on a computer screen. Why are you not out talking to your neighbors, your friends, your family members about your feelings? They can in turn talk to their friends, family, etc.

How exactly do you picture this revolution of yours to happen? You all grab your guns and pitchforks and storm city hall? Those serving your local government are probably not corrupt. So you go to your various state capitals and do what, start shooting whoever is inside? Take them hostage? Then what? Go to the white house and attempt the same thing? Revolution this revolution that, insert generic American Revolution quote for added support. The American Revolution had a clear cut enemy, had a clear cut motive and was a lot more viable then what you are proposing. You want civil war but the "enemy" you propose attacking wears the same uniform, the same clothes, looks like you, talks like you, shops at the same grocery store as you. How are you going to determine who to "revolt" against?

All these calls for revolution remind me of doctors who used to think blood letting would cure colds and disease. Lets skip the orange juice and bed rest and jump right to cutting someone open until they bleed half to death.

I understand your passion, your frustration, your desire for things to change and for injustices to be rectified. I have no idea exactly what to do, but I know there are some things I just don't think I could live with. An armed uprising is just to haphazard for me. Who is in charge, who decides what happens next, there are too many what if's.

reply to post by ninthaxis


I like your signature, very honest. No one here is calling for an armed
conflict, alot of people here are just considering the worst case scenario,
but still hope for the best. You said you don't know what to do and you also
said you could'nt live with yourself if you were involved in an armed conflict. These two things are what you need to deal with, the best way to
boill a frog is to turn the heat up slowly, the inability to act and commit
is what THEY want, this will be your undoing.

Originally posted by ninthaxis
Why is revolution so popular on internet forums? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are calling for (and hoping for) and armed uprising of citizens against the government for what purpose? Have you never opened a history book to read of the many successful REFORMATIONS? It seems revolution is romanticized and glorified by those who's only course of action is the keyboard and mouse they so expertly manipulate to form pixels on a computer screen. Why are you not out talking to your neighbors, your friends, your family members about your feelings? They can in turn talk to their friends, family, etc.

How exactly do you picture this revolution of yours to happen? You all grab your guns and pitchforks and storm city hall? Those serving your local government are probably not corrupt. So you go to your various state capitals and do what, start shooting whoever is inside? Take them hostage? Then what? Go to the white house and attempt the same thing? Revolution this revolution that, insert generic American Revolution quote for added support. The American Revolution had a clear cut enemy, had a clear cut motive and was a lot more viable then what you are proposing. You want civil war but the "enemy" you propose attacking wears the same uniform, the same clothes, looks like you, talks like you, shops at the same grocery store as you. How are you going to determine who to "revolt" against?

All these calls for revolution remind me of doctors who used to think blood letting would cure colds and disease. Lets skip the orange juice and bed rest and jump right to cutting someone open until they bleed half to death.

I understand your passion, your frustration, your desire for things to change and for injustices to be rectified. I have no idea exactly what to do, but I know there are some things I just don't think I could live with. An armed uprising is just to haphazard for me. Who is in charge, who decides what happens next, there are too many what if's.

And you sir, obviously did not take the time to read the OP or any of my replies through out this thread. I am not hoping for armed revolution or an uprising of any kind.

Yes, I have opened a history book and what makes you think I have not talked to my neighbors, family and friends? You sir, have no idea what I have or have not done. This thread is very specific in what I hope and think. I have made no secret about it, so feel free to read it in it's entirety. Its only 3 pages, I'm sure you can manage to keep maintain your attention span long enough to read it all, especially before you attempt to judge others based on your own assumptions. Every single question you ask in your second paragraph is already addressed, not only in the OP but through out this thread. Read it.

"Armed revolution in modern USA"? Nope, not by cyber-revolutionaries, anyhow. Not a chance!

Why? Simple enough. Not enough interest in freedom.

Ask the majority of citizens what they value most. They'll respond overwhelmingly peace and safety. There is no freedom the brain-dead public will not be willing to give up if scared with false threats to their beloved peace and safety. TPTB know this and use it skillfully to extract ever more freedoms daily. The only hope is a rebellion within the military, but that is rather unlikely.

Sorry to rain on your revolutionary thesis, but IMO the NWO will soon make its debut and you can expect few to protest let alone start any "armed revolution in modern USA".

reply to post by Wolf321


I think your on the right track, but for it to be successful it would have to be done all at the same time, on the same day, same hour. and on a very wide scale and include all from top to bottom. Just not realistic without military intervention and help. It would need a great deal of intelligence to track targets daily to gather routines ect. until the moment word is given to complete mission. There is no way the average joe would be able to pull this off. It would get leaked out and the whole plan foiled. But it is the only realistic way of change! We are just plane screwed.

I have read the entire thread.

OP I cannot speak for your true intent but nonetheless it is most definitely a bait thread for collecting evidence and names of homegrown terrorists...

It's over the line and has no place here.

reply to post by CmdrZero


I agree. Our government really should take a hard look at 'Nam and Afghanistan, and see how hard it is to whip and destroy a determined people who are armed and not afraid. That being said, I still think this whole thing could be accomplished by the Common Law Court, and the Constitution. Legally, TPTB do not have a leg to stand on, they are all commuting treason for just holding office and having sworn oath the the British Crown. (BAR Association) I think that want us to go off half cocked and attack them, so we can be fully demonized into domestic terrorists, a name they long to hang on all Patriots. It would be a lot more fun to watch them all squirm as they are being "questioned." If we kill them, we will never know what they know.

reply to post by MrWendal


You know very well what you are advocating by your "cleverly" thought out title. This isn't a thread of what ifs for you. Only a fool would openly talk about something of this magnitude on a public forum where every single word you type is archived and saved to be used against you. Go ahead and play the innocent party, you know full well what you are doing here and it is neither prudent nor noble a cause.