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Poster "Ohioriver" said:No Americans are not truly stupid! What would you have us do? Our government is out of control and even the most backward redneck here knows it. Should we riot like the Greeks(sarcasm)? We all see how well that turned out. Most Americans are going to fight back through their wallets and votes.
Poster "Above" repsonds: If truly most americans and even the rednecks knew it, then yeah, you should gather up, walk to the white house, and throw them out. When the army/police says no, you take to your guns. You outnumber them 100000:1, so it should not be that hard.
ATS poster "CHAOS" said: But I still think, as a people, as Americans, you should have voiced yourself a long time ago...I don't live in America, so I can't honestly say, but it seems to me you aren't doing enough to stand up against them and let them know it has to stop...it's like they have you all on strings...it makes me wonder just what the hell they could do before you guys would actually get annoyed enough to care and take serious action...
"N.of Norml" says: A couple teens I know were illegally target shooting on federal beach. within 4 hrs the FBI had detained them and held them for two days. They claimed the kids were spotted by satellite image.they were 2miles up a lonely stretch of beach with no others near. Given those type of capabilities how do you suggest we gather together without being immediately spotted out and defused,discredited or detained? We are a technological behemoth and a large body of that tech is in place to thwart any thing suuch as you suggest.
The issues of targets and methods of attack are actually the easy part. Unlike the government, rebels would have to minimize collateral damage and 'civilian' casualties. For example, and this is only a hypothetical, let us recall Joe Stack. He flew into a IRS building. While I agree the target of an IRS building may be valid, doing it during the day to take out many low level mail clerks etc doesn't help the cause. Now, had Joe Stack executed a precision assassination of the head of the IRS or the members who wrote the complex and criminal tax codes, such as Charlie Wrangle etc, that would make more 'sense.'
Bombing a FED building when their were fewest people, overnight or during a holiday, would make 'sense.' However, such large scale attacks would be equated to terrorism as we now know it, and would make a cause more difficult. Which is why, large scale political assassinations are the most reasonable and likely to succeed. If all that were to occur was on a near daily basis, some politician, czar, or cabinet head were surgically taken out, the average Joe would not be affraid for their life. If this were the case however, I think the government would either create a false flag of civilians and blame it on rebel groups to sway public opinion, OR some more 'radical' rebel group would take out civilians.
Defining victory is a challenge, unless the rebel forces are a collective of states. A collective of individuals can hardly organize to a point that they can determine what victory is, and what the plan is for once it is achieved. This concept alone, is what makes the idea of a rebellion to 'restore the nation' virtually impossible.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
People will not care in sufficient numbers to do anything until it is too late to possibly change anything.
That's the sad reality I perceive going on right now. God bless America because at the rate our leaders are destroying it nothing short of divine intervention will save it.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
So what do we do when we realize enough is enough? Sure Americans are armed. We can rise up, and we are also out gunned and can be shot down fast. We are monitored and tracked. Any attempt to form like minded individuals for such a cause will be cut down before it ever truly gets started.
The biggest problem with this idea/question is that TPTB know their enemy; Us. After the defeat of the NAZI's, who were very popular amoung the elites, TPTB focussed on quietly entrenching the more sucessful aspects of Hitler's policies. Add to that decades of psychology research and it is easy to see that those who are 'aware' are massively outdone by the manipulation of the masses. Psychology is the key.
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
I wouldn't be stating it on a forum. There's already plenty of reasons to monitor you, don't need any more red flags on your file.
I think in the end, it won't be a choice but a reaction.