Republicans kill Senate jobless aid measure (unemployment extension)

reply to post by PsychoX42


Am honoured. May humanity be awakened and succeed against TPTB and none gets left behind.

Cheers

Unemployment benefits should be at least extended as long as the republican party spent denying that we were heading into a recession in the first place.

If they hadn't taken the regs off the banking industry, if they hadn't looked the other way, if they hadn't ignored the meltdown, so many people wouldn't need the unemployment in the first place.

They voted to bail the banks, yet they can't give a tax break to businesses?

But the GOP loves to play the same song. Which is why this recovery will take 6 years like the New Deal, because you have repubs who will do anything and everything to play politics instead of worrying about people. They did the same thing then, they are doing the same thing now.

reply to post by nixie_nox


Businesses are hurting because there is no credit available. If credit were to be available, jobs would be created. You can't hire people if you can't pay for materials. You can't keep people if you can't pay their wages.

Businesses are hamstrung by the fact that they pay into this fund, that when the s actually htf, they are not prepared.

Its the credit crunch that is killing business. Pure and simple. Even though they received over a trillion bucks, they are broke.

They broke the modern man, and made a profit off it. Thank you treasury. (sounds like usury)

Too bad W was dumb as all get out. He could have prevented the tidal wave. /rant off

my two cents

For EVERY job I send a resume and interview for there are at LEAST 350 OTHERs going after the same job. I am used to making 42K a year, have taken a job at a Starbucks for 8.25 per hour and they only offer PT hours..
These employers in some cases seem to be bypassing those w/ experience for the ones that they think will take less $$ without fear of losing them should something better come along.
The old adage that it’s easier to get a job when you have a job is true. Employers have never been big on gaps in employment, it’s just now they seem to more up front and in the Job Seekers face about it. It’s sad, yes. It Suck’s, yes. But that has ALWAYS been a reality.
I average 25 hrs a week @ 8.25 = $825.00 per month... Hmmm CAN YOU LIVE OFF THAT Realistically?
Or let me say Try living off that in California…..
I would LOVE to be working again FT without having to have Unemployment fill in the rest, BUT THERE JUST ARE NOT ENOUGH JOBS TO FILL THE DEMAND FOR THE UNEMPLOYED!!!!!... MANY people I know have been FORCED to take min wage jobs that have many yrs exp and TRY TO SERVIVE. (and not a grumble out of one of them… they, like myself are just happy to have something to go to everyday while still seeking employment.)
Campbell’s here in Sac had aprox 350 job openings for SEASONAL work... OVER 1500 people showed up.. YES, SOME OF US ARE TAKING LESSER JOBS IF WE CAN GET THEM...
I have worked ALL my life, usually holding down a Full time and Part time job at the same time.
I am frustrated, I am worried and I just want a FT JOB. Seems so simple doesn’t it.
Well, please say a little Employment Prayer for me as I have a phone interview for a sales position today at noon that I would LOVE to secure.

Originally posted by Wylde
Actually...

You should also dig deeper into the articles before condemning the Republicans.

After they voted no on the original bill, they tried passing a simple bill that would extend the benefits for another month and would be paid for out of TARP monies.

Yes and the money they wanted to use has already been slated for infrastructure projects...bridge and road repairs...projects already scheduled.

So by using those funds thousands of folks who were waiting to start on those jobs are once again fully unemployed. It would actually cost more jobs.

Now THAT is posturing.

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Typical Democrat set up to make the Republicans look bad as they didn't already so why play the stupid games. This is exactly why WE THE PEOPLE need to take D.C. down and build it back up the right way.

If the arses would run the illegals out of this country we would have tons of new job openings but the Democrats will never do that and I doubt the Republicans would either do to the push from big business.

They all suck and its time for them to serve this nation behind bars.

reply to post by Shine71


GEE, now the crime rate will go up. Time to take out the old short barrel shotgun for home defense. Also, more houses will be lost and the stock market may crash again, due to this new bill. I see nothing good about this whole situation at all. AMERICA needs more jobs and they just keep going over seas. Why does our GOV. let this happen? WHY, taxes are too high on buisnesses, healthcare is a greedy monster for buisness, ILLEGALS running rampid,and Peoples wages overseas very low. HOW can we as buisnesses compete with this activity in the U.S.A, well we cain't. THIS is why buisnesses go overseas and we lose jobs which in turn causes unemployment which in turn causes people to collect unemployment. We need to nip the problem at the source. That is to take some presssure off buisneses so that they can exspand and hire more people. Also, stop them from going overseas. MY job went overseas and we lost 400 employees. The day that our company said,"WE ARE GOING GLOBAL", was the day they should of just said, we are going over seas. Instead, they put a nice ring to it. SO , if your companys says it's going global, you can bet they are moving overseas and you will end up losing your job in the near future. SO, if this happens to you i suggest you start looking for a new job. When they mentioned that in a company meeting, i replied, "SO I GUESS I WILL BE LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB NOW". THEY replied, no this does not mean we are going overseas. Six months later they let go 400 employees and closed the doors. They were liars. THEY WENT OVERSEAS. Now im on unemployment and i still have not found a job. I'M losing my house cause i just cannot pay all the bills. I believe this will only get worse. More jobs will go overseas, more illegals will pour in, theft,prostitution, drugs and murder will become rampid. U.S.A will become a third world country. I will not see this, but your children will. That will be a sad day for our peoples. I'm not doom and gloom, this is just a FACT. WAKE UP AMERICA. WAKE UP.

reply to post by Robbi


Good luck brother! I understand what you are going through, despite those who think the unemployed are scums and free loaders.

Take care and may the economy rebound again, and all humanity work to live and no longer live to work, once our fellow humans, the presently selfish obscenely rich wakes up too.

Cheers!:-)


[edit on 25-6-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

reply to post by Quadrivium

Maybe you should turn him on though. Probably be a good starting point for ya. He's a little to goofy and animated for me but he does have some ok links sometimes. Or you can just keep playing your little game. GO BLUE! Yippee

I listen to him every single day...ALL 3 HOURS of his radio show. I can no longer stomach his television show...not after what he has morphed into.

He's all about corporations...all about the extremely wealthy. He says silly things about communism and Chairman Mao...but IGNORES THAT HIS OWN BOSS HAS A MEDIA COMPANY IN CHINA and SAUDI ARABIA. I guess HAVING TIES WITH COMMUNIST COUNTRIES IS OK AS LONG AS IT'S BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND SO DOES MOST EVERY FORMER AMERICAN COMPANY WHO HAS SOLD US OUT TO SLAVE LABOR.

As far as I'm concerned, BIG BUSINESS HAS CLOSER TIES TO COMMUNISM THAT ANYTHING BECK PROCLAIMS.

GO ahead, tell me any of the "research" you have done...and that "research" is nothing but a repeat of what you've heard from GB. I know it is. I see it all over the boards. I see it all over everywhere.

Unfortunately, I USED TO DO IT MYSELF.

Go ahead, light me up big man. I know your argument...I've been there already.





[edit on 25-6-2010 by David9176]

[edit on 25-6-2010 by David9176]

I haven't time to read all 4 pages of posts right now, so if this info is posted, well then it's posted again.

From the N.Y. Times

The legislation blocked by Republicans on Thursday includes both the $35.5 billion extension in unemployment insurance and a broad array of tax changes and other safety net spending. Republican leaders said they were opposed to some tax increases in the bill and also do not want the measure to add to the deficit. In response to Republican demands, Democrats have covered the cost of all of the $112 billion package except for the unemployment benefits.

So they were able to fund all of the $112 billion, except the $35.5 billion?
$112 b minus $35.5 b equals $77 billion.

They were able to fund well over two thirds of the bill, but not the one third for benefits?

David, please don't play this" Repubs blocked it" bs, when it's quite apparent this bill was written as a political tool.
Nothing more.

“Separating the unemployment insurance provisions of the extenders bill and passing it as emergency legislation acknowledges the urgency of helping those who continue to look for work,” Ms. Snowe wrote. “Unemployment checks inject money directly into the economy, invariably assisting in the economic recovery we all agree must be accelerated.”

The letter to Mr. Reid suggests that Ms. Snowe wants to be clear about her desire to assist the unemployed, despite her helping the Republican leadership block the bill. Mr. Reid, visibly frustrated on Thursday, said he would move on to other legislative business next week because he sees little hope in winning Republican support for the bill.

Reid will be moving on, as he is unwilling to seperate the unemployment extension from the rest of the bill?
This is the same guy endorsing drug and alcohol testing for unemployed, right?

They are all criminals.

They were able to fund well over two thirds of the bill, but not the one third for benefits?

The reason for this is simple, unemployment benefits, in the entire history of unemployment benefits have never ever been funded - they have always been added onto the national debt.

And the super douche who wanted to drug test the unemployed was not reid, that was orrin hatch. And the only reason he would even think to suggest such an unconstitutional measure is that he is one of the biggest recipients of money from lobbyists for big pharma, his home state utah is referred to as the pharma capital of the world.. so it comes as no surprise that he would suggest legislation that he would profit greatly from.

Lobbying ties

Hatch's son Scott is a named partner and registered lobbyist at Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC, a Washington lobbying firm. The firm was formed in 2001; the other two partners are Jack Martin, a staff aide to Senator Hatch for six years, and H. Laird Walker, who has been described as a close associate of the senator's.[11] In March 2003, the Los Angeles Times quoted Senator Hatch as saying that the firm was formed with his "personal encouragement" and that he saw no conflict of interest in championing issues that helped his son's clients.[12]

Hatch has legislated for dietary supplements to be governed outside of the realm of drugs and food additives. Utah, his constituency, is considered the "Silicon Valley" of the supplement industry. When the FDA was reviewing the adverse effects of ephedra, Hatch defended the supplement industry. At the time, Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC were being paid, by companies with interests in ephedra manufacturing, for lobbying Congress.[12]

In March 2009, the Washington Times reported that the pharmaceutical industry, which has "long has benefited from Sen. Orrin G. Hatch's legislative efforts", had previously undisclosed connections to Hatch. Five pharmaceutical companies and the industry's main lobbying group, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), wrote checks in 2007 totaling more than $170,000 to the Utah Families Foundation, a tax-exempt charitable foundation which Hatch helped start in the 1990s and had vigorously supported since. Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC was paid $120,000 by PhRMA in 2007 to lobby Congress on pending U.S. Food and Drug Administration legislation.[11]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by marg6043


Not Obama and get this, corporate --- they are the real enemy, Obama is a puppet.

Wake the frak up, corporations rule not the "president".

Know your enemy.

Research, dig deeper.

It now appears that the liberal communist Democratic leadership(Reid and Pelosi) have gotten the message the if you truly want a jobless aid bill you have to present it as a stand alone bill free from all the personal pork and taxes they try to heap on any spending bill.

Accordingly a stand alone extension of jobless benefits bill might get to the floor by next week According to unnamed sources from AP,this would be similar to the STAND ALONE Medicare reimbursement bill that was just passed.

Originally posted by Shine71
reply to post by Carseller4

 

I worry about CRIME resulting from it. I worry that I will have to put bars on my windows. I worry about my family going to get gas wondering if they will be murdered for $20.

Do you require more answers??

This was NOT the appropriate time for the Republicans to vote this down.



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[edit on 25-6-2010 by projectvxn]

I would just like to point something out. I got laid off on June 3rd. 10 days after the $25 weekly federal kick in has expired. So even though I just got laid off and have been looking for a job, people who have been on unemployment for a year are still eligible to get that $25 a week until December. An extension of that was included with 8 million other things the Democrats wanted to squeeze in there. Why do we not just vote on one thing at a time and get rid of the $25 a week for people who have had more then ample time to find a job and give it to the ones on their first round of unemployment and then reduce the amount you are giving as time goes by to encourage people to find a job. Just saying.. Kinda sucks for me.

# The first week for which the additional $25.00 can be paid is the week ending on February 28, 2009.

# FAC payments will be payable to all eligible claimants who establish new unemployment insurance claims effective up to and including May 26, 2010.

# The last week payable for the additional $25.00 payment is the week ending December 11, 2010.

www.dllr.state.md.us...

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The money is thier in my opinion* the reason i say, example..in my city of stamford CT, they spend millions, hundreds of millions, downtown to improve how a park looks, digging up sections of streets to improve car space, when the streets here were NOT, i repeat, NOT designed for modern day overcrowded traffic at all. LEt alone, they cannot ever seemt o afford filling in craters and potholes after winter. The state spends thousands every year, on seatbelt checkpoints. How about those millions found from social service money found a few weeks ago?
Bet that can used for unemployment extensions* MY city has the trump tower* so it goes to show, how arrogent it is.

Originally posted by David9176
I listen to him every single day...ALL 3 HOURS of his radio show. I can no longer stomach his television show...not after what he has morphed into.

He's all about corporations...all about the extremely wealthy. He says silly things about communism and Chairman Mao...but IGNORES THAT HIS OWN BOSS HAS A MEDIA COMPANY IN CHINA and SAUDI ARABIA.

I will not defend Beck if that's what your looking for. He gets most of his info/talking points from regular people who send him the info but hardly ever gives them the credit.
As far as research.... Just look at the post in this thread of yours. Most people are so caught up in their ideologies that they can't see what is happening right in front of their faces.
Look at all of the votes they have on key legislation. Why are they always so close even when one party or the other has control in congress?
Do you really think that they don't know how the vote will turn out before the first one is cast?
Watching C-Span is just like watching WWF now a days.
Not sure how you feel about Mao but he was a tyrant and a nut job. He may have had a few good ideas but those were out weighed by his lack of respect for human life.
Communism- I can't see any civilisation around today that make me envy that type of government.
The ONLY way out of this mess is LESS government, not MORE.
The only way to get less government is to get the progressive socialist out of office. That means both side need to go. Get rid of all the career politicians.
As you said earlier brother "I know your argument....I've been there already."
I stated this in my first post in this thread. I would like to get your or anyones take on it. Here goes......
Why would they want to protect the wages of the illegals in this country.
Why give them a toll free number to call if they feel they are not getting paid fairly?
This crap about them doing the jobs Americans won't take is getting old.
If I was out of work I would take any job before my wife and three boys went without.
I think a lot of people feel the same.
Close the border, deport the illegals and put some citizens back to work.
Ask your self why they won't do this. What will they get out of not doing this? Be honest with your self.
Party lines=trip wires. Step over them. Get out of the trap they are setting for you.
As long as the career politicians are in DC, it does not matter which party is in control. They all have the same long term goals.

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Two years of unemploymen isn't enough? How about lifetime unemployment? Huh? Why not? Nobody has to work if they don't want to .. how does that sound to everyone?

How many people are going to be riding on the backs of those who work for a living?

reply to post by David9176


How could the republicans have defeated the bill. Democrats have a super majority. I beleive it is called the media manipulating the news to continue to feed the sheep one false story after another.