Why are American Republicans so moronic?

Originally posted by tetrahedron
and is 180 degrees away from modern US liberals (progressive fascists).

So our Progressives are enlightened Fascists, or are they just mixing progress with Fascism?

Either way I don't see how that is possible when reading the rest of your post.

And you are clearly 100% absolutely biased, how do you get that the US Constitution is the most enlightened belief? Because you say so? Keep living in your little wonderland full of magical unicorns.

I will live in the real world where opinion is opinion and fact is fact. I don't see how opinion=fact, I am a Socialist but that doesn't mean it's perfect just because I say so.

You people really need to wake up.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


Really!?!? You could have fooled me. If you were being completely genuine in your post, then the topic should have read, "Why are proponents of the two-party system such morons!?" Obvioulsy you felt strongly enough to make this about Republicans. If this were equal opportunity trolling, certainly you could have brought a few Democrat examples to the table as well. Rest assured, there are plenty on BOTH sides of the aisle.

reply to post by Shine71


You know what, you could replace "republican" with "democrat" in your statement and it would still ring pretty damn true to my ears.
We could sit here all day and create a whole laundry list of the terrible decisions that have been made by Dems and Repubs alike, then compare.

It's much more satisfying to me to decry them both and call them corporate sellout talking head morons, because isn't that what they really are?
I trust a handful of them....the rest, I trust about as far as I can throw them.

reply to post by kozmo


Why don't you do that for me then. I'm not worried about that right now. I wanted to bring up how arrogant Tea Party members are.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I find that the hardcore leftists can be just as moronic, but the republicans seem to "bait" people more, that is that they seem to find a way to start an argument about something stupid to make a stupid point which they believe to be completely rational..

I know lefties that do this too, but I guess I know more republicans. I frequent some local forums, and it's primarily dominated by republicans who recite all the garbage you will see on fox news as if it were scripture.

And if you disagree with them then you are dubbed a "progressive" and then they automatically assign you all the beliefs held by what they believe are socialists.. Even if you were just someone in the middle that didn't want to buy into BS of the parties.

reply to post by Miraj


You do know that the "hard-core left" would be considered Center-RIGHT everywhere else. Except maybe Saudi Arabia.

You guys are right both people on the political fence are moronic. Look how fast we're at each other throats! It's normal to disagree, let's just do it in style.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel

Left and Right represents only two sides of a spectrum that is best illustrated with four sides. The right does not HAVE to be authoritarian, and the left CAN be just as authoritarian. Can you say Bush, Obama?
The left is the socialists or collectivists, and the right is conservatism.
The other two sides (say top and bottom) would be anarchist (extreme individualism) at the "top" and totalitarianism or authoritarianism on the other extreme.
Hitler was extreme totalitarianism, like Stalin. The U.S. is threatening to be recast in the same mold.

reply to post by Stewie


The left-right paradigm is so mentally debilitating.

You put it the best, that is pretty much how the Political Compass places things. There are such things as far left and far right, but is it far-left with a libertarian approach or far-left with an authoritarian approach?

I am extremely left-wing but I am also socially libertarian(i.e. I don't want the government to have too much power, but I support Socialism).

www.politicalcompass.org...

reply to post by Kaploink


“Actually Hitler wasn't a socialist…”

Except for the fact he was. Again, look up the acronym for NAZI. Or look up his industrial policy. This isn’t really a matter of academic contention but rather a tactic used by the idealistic socialists to reclaim the word ‘socialist’ from its dark history.

“…He was a Nazi. Which was a strange mixture of the left and right.”

Ok, I’ll buy your premise. Partially at least.

Nazism domestically resembles US progressivism whilst externally resembles US conservatism.

As such, the tea party folks, are in my opinion, correct in calling Nazism leftist vis-à-vis domestic policy of the current administration.

“They were trying to create a society with classes divided by talent and merit…”

This is a sort of weak argument. I doubt you’d find many human societies that don’t “try [ed.] to create a society with classes divided by talent and merit. Those that worked harder would be able to advance to higher classes.” This is a staple of the ‘meritocracy’ and I don’t think belongs to one political affiliation. Unless you’re making a roundabout argument against affirmative action, which I don’t think you are…

“If you look at their embracing of Lutheranism while rejecting Catholicism and their anti-homosexuality policies…”

Similarly, if you look at the modern progressives, you will find a seething black subconscious of anti-Semitism that stems far beyond legitimate criticism of Israel. Check out an ANSWER rally some time…

reply to post by Misoir


"I am extremely left-wing but I am also socially libertarian(i.e. I don't want the government to have too much power, but I support Socialism)."

Yea, uh, try and circle that square. Anyone? Bueller?

So 50% of the country are morons who type in caps? I love how so many want to stereotype. It kind of reminds me of the Apple commercials where they have the cool guy and Microsoft is the fat nerd. Republicans tend to be the middle and upper middle class. Democrats tend to be in either the lower 50% income level or very rich, so with anything it is always the middle classes that feels and carries the brunt of all decisions.

We can all agree that either extreme is bad, but America has been farther to the right than to the left though there are dangers both ways. To the right we end up with corporatism and to the left we have huge government control. I bounce around the middle depending on the issue, but I am more worried with how the left wants to continue to spend and control. Another factor to a person's prospective is their financial status and older people tend to be more financially secured, and I see many on the farther left who want to reset it all. Well when I was young I had little and I do not care to reset what I worked hard to create. I also do not want to pay high taxes just because I earn more money than others who would rather rely on the government to support them than to work hard to succeed.

reply to post by Xtrozero

So 50% of the country are morons who type in caps?

I give up.

reply to post by Misoir

The far left would be everyone equally and voluntarily sharing the world's resources, Utopia.
As you slide down the slope to authoritarianism, you lose the "voluntary" tag more and more, until you hit bottom, totalitarianism. You can do this from the right as well.
The far right would be a structured society with everyone voluntarily submitting to a higher power, or representatives of a higher power that dictates morality and law. As you slide down to authoritarianism, you gradually lose the "voluntarily"...
Note: No leader encourages a "lift up" to individualism it seems. I wonder why?
(Power)

Edit to add: No "contemporary" leaders encourage a "lift up" to individualism.




[edit on 23-6-2010 by Stewie]

reply to post by Misoir


"You do know that the "hard-core left" would be considered Center-RIGHT everywhere else. Except maybe Saudi Arabia."

A bit of overstatement, but correct. The Tories in Britain would be the Democrats and Labor would be...The Weather Underground.

But in reality, thank Gaia it is the way it is. According to Gallup (and the sunspot cycles) ~50-57% of the population identify as conservative, which at is core means WE DO NOT WANT TO BE WARDS OF THE STATE (all caps!); to the contrary in most of the rest of the world.

In other words, a subset of that 50-57% still retain an understanding of what Freedom is.

The reason Republicans are so moronic is the same reason that all
Democrats are moronic. They are the exact same thing. Case closed.
No more Republican and Democrat discussion is needed. It gets no one
anywhere. It is a waste of time.

reply to post by tetrahedron


Once again you are stating your opinion as if it is fact.

Just because 50-57% are Conservative and that is what they like doesn't make it right and doesn't make it wrong, politics is opinion and when you try and force opinion as fact you make a huge mistake. Which you just did.

last i checked DEM's run the White House, congress, and senete and the USA is going to S*** faster then ever. who is the morons???

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

So 50% of the country are morons who type in caps?

I give up.

I just found it confusing that the OP kind of slammed both sides of the political spectrum, but made his post title "Why are American Republicans so moronic?"

It really does my heart good to see so many folks buying into the us vs them paradigm that the power elite want us to believe in.

Republicans are neither morons, nor genius', for the most part. They're just people with ideas that may, or may not differ from yours.

Democrats are neither morons, nor genius', for the most part. They're just people with ideas that may, or may not, differ from yours.

Some would do well to lighten up on the stereotypes, and realize that you're dealing with people. Not one of whom will perfectly fit your stereotyped little box.

Republicans: Spawn of Satan. Democrats: Spawn of Satan.

Morons. Fascists. Socialists. Yadda. Yadda. Yadda. How about people? Disagree, or agree with them at your pleasure. But you are doing yourself no favors by trying to fit them into some little box with a label of convenience.

How do you expect to get anything changed for the good if you keep shoving people into boxes labeled "enemy"?