reply to post by captiva
You are weclome my friend, and thanks for taking the time to read the thread and share your thoughts too.
Tis much apreciated.
I agree this happens on a lot more topics than Israel.
We see a lot of dueling threads here on ATS like "Gays are what's wrong with the world according to Christians" followed quickly by "Christians
are what's wrong with the world according to Gays" and similiar sparring back and forth on such issues. I call them the thread versus the
anti-thread, thread wars.
Yet when people drag the site into it. "Is ATS an Anti-Israel Site?" versus "Is ATS a Pro-Israel Site" then it really is being taken to the
extreme point of even questioning the objectivity of the site and whether it is right or wrong, by making the site itself appear to be on one side or
the other, simply because it allows all sides to have a platform.
While we all hate the propagandas often used, it's scarey when psuedo censorship arguments are made, as really people are imagining in these cases is
the site itself anti-this or pro-that in order to make a who is right and who is wrong argument.
I agree a lot of people are frustrated and sadly Israel is not the only thing adding to people's feelings of helplessness and frustration, and all
those other emotions, from those other things then get transfered into the passion of who is right and who is wrong.
Worse still like in the left right politics of our own country, who is right and who is wrong is to often being decided by the lesser of two evils,
Bush blew up the World Trade Centers, Obama destroyed the Gulf, yeah but the World Trade Centers killed more people, so Bush was a lot worse, so Obama
is a lot better! Bush was wrong and bad, Obama is good!
That's the kind of logic a lot of people are employing in dertermining who is wrong and who is right, instead of what is wrong and what is right.
So what we do see a lot of, when confronted with the issue of wrong doing, that retort based on side, of well, the other side did something a lot
worse, back in 1111, and therefore not only did they deserve this, today, in 2010, but it wasn't even wrong because of what the other side did in
1111, now that was bad and wrong!
It really is as if when one's own nation, or church or religion or organization has done something clearly wrong, people have to find a way to
justify it and defend it and make it right.
Yet the truth is that is just foolish.
What is wrong is wrong, what is right is right.
We for the most part all live in 'democracies' but the truth is all we get to do is choose our representatives, the people of our nations, don't
get to vote on policies or actions, so we really don't have to pretend that they are representation of our will or us for national pride.
We ought to be able to look at issues of right and wrong, as stand alone issues of each circumstance, not qualified issues predicated on past or other
occurences, meant to excuse or justify doing something wrong.
I don't know if there is a way to move beyond that or solve that, but I am trying to speak to it and address it.
Thanks so much for joining in.