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Originally posted by intrepid
I just want to clear something up. I'm not anti-semitic, anti-Jew or anti-Israeli. Those that really know the issue know that those are 3 different groups. I am anti-Knesset. The insane gov't that the Israeli's have no chance of escaping because of their political system. You think there's no good in Israel all you have to do is Google Machsom Watch. That's the people, not the nuts in the Knesset.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by smurfy
I agree we should speak to what is right and wrong, but we should try to formulate ways to do it, that leave person enough room and face to change something wrong, instead of feeling that they have to ride something wrong down in flames, trying to promote it as right the whole way.
I think what I and some other posters truly want to believe is governments loose their ability and oraganizations loose their ability to divide us, if we can speak to what is right and wrong, simply as people, instead of members of some larger collective who feel a shared identity that is going to be punished or condemned for being wrong.
We are rapidly loosing our individual ability to speak about what is wrong with our own governments and organizations, and that even more deeply entrenches us into notions of who is right and wrong, and collectively who is right and wrong, instead of what is right and wrong.
It really is just about what is right and wrong, and trying to get people to agree to uniform applications for it.
If it's right for Israel to act in a certain way, how then can it be wrong for Iran to do the same action?
That's what I mean by dual standards.
The reality is most of us can agree on what is right and wrong, until the politics of who, and who we imagine we owe an allegience and debt to comes into play.
Thanks for posting my friend.
I think your reply is almost the same as what I have said. However I hold no allegience to any piece of dirt or flag, people are the most important things to me, since I am one. As for dual standards, people have to read the road, and if it is wrong, legally, morally and environmentally etc, then it is wrong full stop. Now that might sound a little naive, but no less so than those who go to sleep, thinking that there is someone out there cleaning up the human "dirt" on their behalf for the good of all.
Originally posted by Bhadhidar
If we refuse to be swayed by "Divide and Conquer" tactics, what OTHER tactics might be employed?
Would the effects of Those tactics be more or less destructive of the social fabric we hear being torn from under us, growing louder each day?
If we force the PTB to use ever more eggregious methods of persuation, do we not risk even more damage to our society?
"In the quest for Freedom, I can face any hardship, endure any torture...Save for the harming of Innocents in My Name."
Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Heres a good story....
During all them heated debates I suddenly noticed I had a "foe"
Not liking to be a foe to anyone, I sent a u2u asking why.
They replied saying they didn't like one of my posts.
I replied saying, thats your choice but read more of my previous posts so you can take that particular one in its proper context.
They did! and I received a great reply apologising.
I lost a foe and gained a friend...