posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:15 AM
Originally posted by DeathShield
Well so far i disagree with the notion that atheism leads to a more peaceful society. I don't think any one ideology is truly capable of leading to
a more peaceful society in the empirical world. You will always have dissenters and rabblerousers regardless of religion and atheism. Stalin and
hitler were Atheists. But so are many great scientists and philosophers. The same holds true with christianity, there have been villains but there
have also been prominent scientific and philanthropic minds. Therefore, to claim that one or the other leads to an overall favorable outcome would
require extraordinary evidence. That aside the rest of your post following that i think you've laid out a fairly reasonable and agreeable opinion.
Bare in mind i am a "believer"
In my thoughts, although I didn't write it down, I was excluding the extremities in either direction. I was merely speaking of humanity on the
whole, ignoring the rare spikes, an average if you will.
These are tendencies of humanity, although not hard and fast rules as humanity is basically both rational and irrational. Any amount of study in the
formation and history of mass movements will see the same sorts of patterns emerge and they have distinct similarities with religious fervor.
That may be because that is the way humanity is moved or something ingrained in religion. I tend to believe the former, but I suppose one could make
a case either way.
As for Hitler, it's unclear if he was an atheist or not. It is more likely that he was some kind of weird combination of Christian (you can
reference Mein Kampf or many of his speeches/policies) and/or Norse Pagan more than an atheist.
As for Stalin, he's less an atheist than he is like John Smith (of the Mormons), in that he created his own state religion in a deeply religious
country. This smacks more of manipulation than anything else so it's hard to a real atheist would use religion against the religious to gain power.
Again, a case could be made either way.
Amen to that brother. That is the biggest hurdle i run into when debating with Young earth creationists. Simple logic leads us to the conclusion that
if God's work is observable and self-evident then it stands to reason that sciences conclusions in regards to the age of the earth, biological
evolution and the creation of the universe are the observations of how god created us and how he intended for the universe to work. So if science
says that there is evidence that we evolved from a common ancestor with modern day Apes then it stands to reason that god created us from apes. If god
didn't want us to know the true age of the earth or other things that could potentially refute the bible, his supposed word, then we would not have
the ability to question it.
Agreed. If God does exist, of which I've seen no evidence, then it would be an insult to him to refuse the logic and intelligence he has bestowed
upon us and an insult to ourselves to be sheep.