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reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:07 PM by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23
i classify myself as agnostic because i just dont know. however, i am still spiritual. i do think that there is something larger than us, but i dont believe its a single conscious entity. atheists dont believe in spirituality at all. they believe in science and cold hard facts...if its not a cold hard fact, they wont entertain it. (speaking from experience of the atheists i've spoken to, i dont mean to generalize like that)


Agnostics have existed throughout millenia and for most of it's existance it implies that mankind cannot comprehend the spiritual world, or it's deity or deities.

Agnosticists just belief that mankind can have no true knowledge of what God, or any other deity truly are. This was the true definition of Agnosticism before it was changed by Thomas Henry Huxley in 1860.

In either case an Agnostic atheist will tell you that even they can't say whether a deity, or deities truly exist or not. In which case even Agnostic atheists are not really atheists.

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist

en.wikipedia.org...

Agnostic atheism in itself is an oxymoron because being agnostic means not knowing the true essence of spiritual beings, or even the spiritual world. It means not being able to understand them which in itself is an admission that such deities, as well as spiritualism exists, we just cannot understand them.



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reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:09 PM by chaosinorder
Originally posted by john124
reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You can teach a robot to try to act human, but in the end it cannot have emotions.


I didn't say robot, I said artificial life based on DNA.

Science tries to look for awnsers, in the same manner that spiritual beings try to make sense of their existence.


Science is essentially the key to understanding & gaining knowledge of our universe and everything in it, therefore it has to be part of our spirituality, because we are part of this universe.

Yet atheism is the absence of all spirituality. Atheism is not only the disbelief in any deities, but the disbelief in spirituality.


Repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it any more truer. I'm not interested in obsessive & repetitive sermons, so I'll make this short - we all have spirituality whatever we believe or disbelieve. Religions cannot steal people's souls or opinions, so sorry you cannot tell atheists that they have to believe in god to be spiritual or even believe in afterlifes. You'd like it if you were part of an elite club, but we're all in the same boat and preaching your opinion doesn't change anything, compared to someone who keeps their opinion to themselves.






Thank you for wonderfully summarising. They accuse atheist of being robots while religious people are the ones who can be like robots. Just program into them religion is everything and we have a threat by other religion. So lets kill each other.
While they can spend their weekend holiday by spending time with wife and kids or with family or friends they choose to sit half a day hearing some guy talking and fill the hats passed on after the sermon. Comeon. Who are the robots? Did Jesus Christ ask you to sit in church and fill the Vatican's bank? Did he say paedophiles were qualified to be church? For the religion that preaches love and peace also was responsible for the most violent wars and mass killings.
Get out of the illusion. Spirituality is there. I believe priests can be held for most crimes... And you think their preachings deserve to be heard on weekend holiday for half a day?
While honest and hard working people suffer from various things like recession and the stress to put bread on plates these priests enjoy the life ,abduct altar boys and so on. What do you think is their contribution to the humanity? I am not talking about the spiritual persons. Everyone deserves to find the cosmic energy or whatever they seem desired about. But religion is the biggest conspiracy of all.

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reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:14 PM by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by chaosinorder


I did not say that some people have taken religon to the extreme... Yet atheism, and sorry to tell you but Communism is an atheist belief, have done even worse.

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.
.......

www.hawaii.edu...

If mankind has used religion to support genocides, imagine what mankind will do to support their claim that there is no real moral compass since there is no spirituality and mankind is just another biological species.

If you believe in spirituality you are not an atheist.



reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:15 PM by john124
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23


atheists dont believe in spirituality at all. they believe in science and cold hard facts...if its not a cold hard fact, they wont entertain it. (speaking from experience of the atheists i've spoken to, i dont mean to generalize like that)


The problem is over-generalising.

Atheists do tend to only accept evidence-based views, but they can have other beliefs that are usually kept to themselves or discussed with close friends, relative, loved-ones etc, because they aren't often the type of people to preach their opinions as gospel fact. Why does spirituality have to require faith in god??? Isn't that contradictory, because god doesn't have a creator in religious beliefs, therefore is "god" non-spiritual in relation to dis-believing in a creator making that human non-spiritual?

I'm sure everyone who thinks about these issues in depth, and considering the size of the universe - believes that our universe or beyond contains a much larger and important significance beyond ourselves.

If an agnostic does not have firm belief that god exists, then they disbelieve in god as well, do they not?

Try to understand that the only necessity to be an atheist is to disbelief in god - any unsurity that god exists must also lack the faith that theists have.


reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:16 PM by Annee
reply to post by chaosinorder



I'll go along with the "religious robot".

You can meet and talk to the most intelligent - logical - articulate people -- but mention Jesus - - and its like they go into some kind of trance and lose their brains.

Its just weird.


reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:25 PM by chaosinorder
reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Again i say dont talk about atheism and communists as the same thing. A newborn baby which doesnt know Jesus is the sheperd and we are the sheeps is probably an atheist until it grows and the child gets feeded by Religious stuff. This doesnt mean the baby is a communist. Atheists arent sheeple . We dont want any sheperd with a stick to guide us. See communism is a political concept and atheism is a personal ideology. What the communists did is mix this personal ideology with the political concept which is BS.
Get this.
A communist maybe an atheist .
BUT AN ATHEIST IS NOT A COMMUNIST.


reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:34 PM by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by chaosinorder



A baby does not have knowledge of itself yet. It exists but it cannot make complex thoughts yet.. A baby is absorbing the new world around him, her and trying to learn, or relearn, from it slowly...

I am sorry but that is a really bad way to make an argument in favor of atheism...


reply posted on 30-5-2010 @ 11:41 PM by chaosinorder
reply to post by ElectricUniverse


No matter how i tell you. You will still conclude the same. Continue with your religion and what you think is true. Atleast dont generalise and understand that communists maybe atheists. But atheists are not communists. Atheists are better than sheeple who want to be guided by a sheperd. But all that happens is they are guided by a wolf in sheperd's cloth. Its like little red riding hood opens the wolf's mouth and voluntarily jumping into it. Carry on with your posts.

I am not a preacher and i dont have any idea for converting people into not believing the religious lies. Atleast if one or two reads and notices thats enough for me. ciao
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