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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Haiti has problems way worse than these seeds. Their government is an organized crime mob and the citizens are basically held hostage by gangs. An earthquake that would barely be noticed in most modern cities leveled their homes because of corruption in their government and construction industry.
The people in Haiti who lead these movements impose their views through force, often being more dangerous than the supposed wrong they tout to keep their power.
Now with these seeds and the crops they produce. If we were to eliminate them worldwide, right now, today; millions if not tens of millions would starve the first season. If we do as the radicals we see posting here would wish, who is responsible for all those deaths? Them? Heck no! They don't think that way. The implications of their actions don't matter to them at all. They would cheer if they somehow won and they would ignore the millions who starved and consider them unimportant.
Most people who lead these causes are far more corrupt than what they fight against. They lie. They cite phony studies. They ignore facts. They never give alternative solutions, because they never have any. And if they are wrong, they never, ever admit it.
Now companies like Monsanto also lie and misguide people. In part to fend of the lies from the other side. Next thing you know, you have both sides lying and exaggerating to the point nobody can figure out the truth.
I find the biggest hippocracy in the fact we live longer than ever and we stay healthy to a much later age than ever before. If they are right about all these poisons in our foods, how exactly is it this can happen. It could not is the truth. So which part is lies and which part is truth?
It was so dramatic that China actually made folk medicine a criminal offense and its now practiced on the Black Market in China.
Who do we believe considering all of this? Nobody! If there is no peer reviewed study from a recognized source its a damn lie. If the people saying it on either side are on the money end or even if they are just paranoid people who are victims of the profiteers, don't trust them. Verify, verify, verify.
These studies coming from tiny unheard of facilities that are never peer reviewed are garbage. Trickery by fanatics and those who want to sell you snake oil to cure your ills and horrible quality crap grown by so called organic methods is rampant. I doubt the Organic foods are organic at all. They sneak in pesticides or they would go bankrupt overnight due to the crop destruction from insects. Stick a label on it that says organic, spread rumors all over the Internet and sit back and rake in the bucks.
Who knows what the real story is on the stuff coming from South and Central America. Nobody regulating those folks and I doubt the stickers and labels mean anything. I guess they do mean "buy my crappy product that tastes bad just because I stuck a label on it and I'll laugh at you all the way to my bank. What you don't know is I put organic spit from my own mouth in every box I sell it to you dumb Westerners. By the way, I'm an activist, please send in a donation would ya? My Coca crops are not so hot this year."
I was thinking the same thing, however selective breeding (what you're referring to) is less freaky than gene splicing something unnatural into the genome, like putting an animal gene into a plant.
Originally posted by xenocide
guys i hate to say this but every vegetable that you've eaten in your lifes has been genetically modified. since man first started farming they have selected the best attributes from their plants and cross bred them. is it ok what major corporations are doing no. but don't say that all gm food is bad.
Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Aside from the obvious detriments of Monsanto, , manufacturer of Agent Orange, DDT, Roundup, monopolies, ownership rights to upper 80% of all corn on planet and low 90% of all soy crops/seeds, and let's not forget the attempt to buy[ ownership and distribution rights to PIGS] - www.greenpeace.org...
I used to think gmo gene splicing was limited to combining different plant genes, but come to find out, they mix plant, insect and animal genes together, creating genuine Frankenfoods
"When food-crops are genetically modified, (“genetically modified” food is a misnomer!) one or more genes are incorporated into the crop’s genome using a vector containing several other genes, including as a minimum, viral promoters, transcription terminators, antibiotic resistance marker genes and reporter genes. Data on the safety of these are scarce even though they can affect the safety of the GM crop. For example:
DNA does not always fully break down in the alimentary tract.3,4 Gut bacteria can take up genes and GM plasmids5 and this opens up the possibility of the spread of antibiotic resistance.
Insertion of genes into the genome can also result in unintended effects, which need to be reduced/eliminated by selection, since some of the ways the inserted genes express themselves in the host or the way they affect the functioning of the crop’s own genes are unpredictable. This may lead to the development of unknown toxic/allergenic components, which we cannot analyze for and seriously limiting the selection criteria.
Current testing methods need radical improvements." Arpad Pusztai, Ph.D
www.actionbioscience.org...
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CRITICISMS OF GMO?
www.csa.com...
MONSANTOS GMO CORN LINKED TO ORGAN FAILURE
www.huffingtonpost.com...
MONSANTOS ROUNDUP RESIDUES IN GM FOOD CAUSES CELL DAMAGE
articles.mercola.com...
Peace
And Yay Haitians!
Thanks for the post, S&F
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So the terminator technology is one misconception. The other misconception is that the pesticides are genetically engineered in the plants. I don't know if in some cases that may be true, but in the case of the topic of this thread, the roundup-ready seeds, it's my understanding that the seeds and the plants have no roundup unless the farmers use roundup, in which case the plants can then absorb whatever roundup the farmers use. What makes these plants different is that the roundup would kill an ordinary plant but apparently it doesn't kill the roundup ready plants.[edit on 20-5-2010 by Arbitrageur]
Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Originally posted by TheOracle
Would you be forced to have one big company providing your genetically modified water every year at their price, when you have free fresh water under your feet?
Genetically modified water, huh. Which gene in the water was modified? The one that causes scientific ignorance in its drinkers, no doubt. Let's see. A gene is made of DNA, which is made of sugars, phosphates, and organic base pairs containing carbon. I guess Monsanto modifies the name of either oxygen or hydrogen into carbon.
No. Really. Tell me. Which gene????????????????
Originally posted by xenocide
guys i hate to say this but every vegetable that you've eaten in your lifes has been genetically modified. since man first started farming they have selected the best attributes from their plants and cross bred them. is it ok what major corporations are doing no. but don't say that all gm food is bad.