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Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Omniimpotent
And you still can't justify the rhetoric in the video, you can't have it both ways, I'm a bigot with no leg to stand on, yet there is a video proving my point.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Why are you trying to bait me into stating I excuse the video? I never claimed I did. So there is no reason to justify it.
It is, as I said. As inexcusable as someone citing a photoshopped picture to support their claim. ie, you
A may or not have been photo manipulation is the same as a blatant call for sedition and revolution. I guess jaywalking and murder are the same, too
My point was there is a pervasive radical element here and more crossing daily. Glad to see you not refuting that.
Originally posted by Omniimpotent
Apparently this point has gotten lost in the back patting atta boy feel good frenzy here.
There is a radical element crossing the boarder, just ask Robert Krentz.
The US/Mexican border is a murderous cesspool, corruption and lawlessness the norm.
With the sense of entitlement demonstrated in the video I posted, you guys know the one, the one you have chosen to ignore, without border control, where does this end?
Propose your theories to the legal residents of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, S California as to why their crime rate is skyrocketing.I'm sure they'll feel relieved.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
If they were BORN HERE, they are not CROSSING the boarder... Just ask Dictionary.com
While you're Googling definitions.....
Jus Sanguinis (Right of Blood) The first way that a person can obtain American citizenship is jus sanguinis, or right of blood. This method of gaining American citizenship is an automatic method that bases a person’s right to American citizenship on their parents’ citizenship. A child is given American citizenship automatically if at least one of their parents is a legal U.S. citizen at the time of their birth. This is true even if the child is born outside of the U.S. or its territories. Jus Soli (Right of Birthplace) The second way that a person can obtain American citizenship is jus soli, or right of birthplace. This is another automatic citizenship method, however, this method is based on where the child is born. If a child is born in the United States they are automatically granted American citizenship regardless of the citizenship of his or her parents. Citizenship is granted to the child even if their mother has entered the United States illegally. The only restriction to gaining American citizenship through this method is placed on children born in the United States to parents who are foreign diplomats at the time of their child’s birth. Naturalization For all other situations, naturalization is the most common way that a foreign-born person can try to gain American citizenship. To qualify for naturalization you must meet a number of prerequisites. The first is an age restriction. In order to apply for naturalization you must be at least 18 years of age.
My theory as to why?
1. Cannabis is illegal, and Americans like it. Can only be obtained through illegal cartels.
And where are those cartels? And by what means do they deliver to the USA?
2. Police are refusing to do their job and go after actual criminals.
No actually I think they are going to continue to do their jobs and that of the federal government, as well
As an Arizonan. I feel relieved.
I'm sure Robert Krentz's family is thrilled at your comfort.
Originally posted by Someone336
You know, the government telling businesses who they can hire and who they can't hire sounds an awful lot like government intervention in the free markets... you secret socialist, you!
On a serious note, here is a potential solution: Legalization of drugs. Taxation - revenue; manufacturing - American jobs; no more drug cartels in the South - Mexico improves - less illegal immigration; Heroin production in the Golden Triangle declines - funding for Taliban and other terrorist organizations worldwide will also decline. In the end, we'd have a lot more money than if we indulge in some draconian and expensive policy of rounding up and deporting illegals and putting many, many, many businesses out of work through massive fines.
After all, I don't remember the founding fathers getting together banning drugs, do you
Originally posted by Omniimpotent
I'm sure Robert Krentz's family is thrilled at your comfort.
Sure but I have ALWAYS gotten it, and it is NOT Jose's fault at all.
Originally posted by SWCCFAN
You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes
$25.00 per hour with taxes deducted (Edit: Before Taxes).
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and
gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.
Ready? Now pay attention…
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00
per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0
per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his
family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or
welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and
welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe
Legal now has $9,631 .00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose
Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now
has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline,
etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline,
and what he sends out of the country every month..
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe
Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get
a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school
ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens…
You are part of the problem!
Credit goes to Kj for the breakdown.
When Will Other States Pass Legeslation like AZ?
They are here to take over our towns. We must stop this Illegal Invasion. ENFORCE THE LAW FEDS!
[edit on 13-5-2010 by SWCCFAN]
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Omniimpotent
I'm sure Robert Krentz's family is thrilled at your comfort.
Seeing as he was killed by a suspected drug smuggler, and not a simple "illegal". I'm sure his situation wouldn't have even occurred if we didn't have asinine drug regulation laws giving incentives to illegals to carry drugs and with those drugs weapons to protect them...
So yeah, he would be alive and very thrilled.
Originally posted by Omniimpotent
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/e357cee7c952b272.jpg[/atsimg]
Wake up.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Wake up yourself. Did you personally take that picture? How about some proof that is not inflammatory photoshopping?
urbanlegends.about.com...
urbanlegends.about.com...
"Despite the widespread claim that it was taken in Phoenix, Arizona, visual landmarks indicate the photo was snapped in Los Angeles, where a large pro-immigrant demonstration did take place on May 1, 2010.
So far no one has been able to authenticate the image, which many suspect was Photoshopped to alter the wording of the sign. Any information on its provenance, particularly with regard to locating an original, unretouched version of the image, would be greatly appreciated. "
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by Omniimpotent
Yeah I'm blaming that law that everyone and their mother can recognize has CREATED and PERPETUATES this cycle.
Or we can do like you, and associate every illegal (illegals only exist due to laws... so aren't you blaming the law of sorts by blaming them since the law made them illegal?) who commits a crime as a person who is simply here illegally.
All you want to do is continually change topics, and arguments to half-truths using psuedo-logic to prove your point.
So yeah, let's blame the unlawful laws which create the scenarios. It beats using ignorance to justify your position.
[edit on 14-5-2010 by mryanbrown]
EDIT: Your logic... A murder who is illegal is an illegal who murdered. An illegal is not simply a murderer. But keep using that logic.
[edit on 14-5-2010 by mryanbrown]
Originally posted by ker2010
You guys who say its the governments fault are correct they are to blame, the
companys who hire illegals are to blame as well. But the illegals arent innocent either but this isnt my point.
Now ill ask you this, do you want this fixed or do you want it to stay the same and let illegals keep coming?
See i get a vibe off some of you who say its the governments fault even though your right i get the vibe you are pro illegal regardless of whose fault it is. I know its hard to get a straight answer from some of you. So heres a question i pose to you:
Would you support strict fines on companys who hire illegal immigrants? Would you support a enforced law by the government that states when a illegal is found they are deported back?
[edit on 14-5-2010 by ker2010]
Would you support strict fines on companys who hire illegal immigrants? Would you support a enforced law by the government that states when a illegal is found they are deported back?
Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by ker2010
Would you support strict fines on companys who hire illegal immigrants? Would you support a enforced law by the government that states when a illegal is found they are deported back?
There are already fines, but seldom enforced. More than that, a fine alone will not solve the problem. I think the first thing is to make a counterfeit proof SSN with a picture. With so much modern technology, I find it hard to believe why this hasn't already been done.
If you solve the above, the latter would take care of itself. Illegals would leave because there would be no jobs. This would save the cost of having to find them, pick them up, run them to an administrative process and finally deport them.
Originally posted by Night Star
And so we go around and around in circles getting nowhere.
See like this. Your solution is to develop a more strict SSN that would require more personably identifiable information. Sacrificing your rights to be free in your person for the sake of security...
Not only that, but the SSN is OPTIONAL so you're really pushing to further the accepted belief that the SS system is not only lawful (which it isn't, so tired of socialism) but that one is required to have a SSN when they are in fact not.
And do you really think people hire illegals with SSN?
That solution if enacted would barely curb the underlining problem.