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Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by mark_price
Balogne
He took six casual steps toward the flag, and then slapped it down.
It was not in his face.
reply to post by mark_price
Oh, I see.
It's ok for Mexicans to lose control, and slap stuff out of peoples hands.
Understood.
Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by mark_price
Oh, I see. More stuff that wasn't evident, but you're sure it was there. Just like the alleged racial slurs, you pro-slappers have been going on about.
There wasn't tension, just violence caused by one person. He's lucky the Cops didn't arrest him then and there, for assault and attempting to destroy the private property of another.
Originally posted by crashbehr
First off I will have to say that if someone came into my yard and touched my flag they would have hell to pay. The flag is more to some of us. I come from a long line of people who have gone to war because of that flag and to quote "I would stand up next to you and defend her still today." I have no problems with other flags as long as it flies lower then the American flag. It should always be the highest flying flag. Even down the road from me there is a house that flies the Canadian flag but he has it on a lower flag pole. To some of us it holds a lot more then just some old flag.
Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by mark_price
Balogne
He took six casual steps toward the flag, and then slapped it down.
It was not in his face.
Originally posted by David_Reale
Ah, but the flag IS the problem here, because of the message the gesture of throwing it on the ground carries with it. Knowingly or by pure stupidity, he ended up offending not only his home country, but a slew of his fellow Americans as well.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Having pride in the flag is one thing. Using that pride as an excuse to insult someone over their ethnic heritage and hide behind the flag is another.
I don't even think it's too far of a wager to say that anyone in the military who has a TRUE respect for the use of the flag would see what those kids were using the flag for was also disrespectful.
Originally posted by fallow the light
if you want to be in America and be American, then stop flying the flag of a country you do not want to be in in the first place.
Originally posted by SpeDeZo
Nah, I'm not American, but I mostly agree.
HOWEVER I have read here on ATS that American Flag has somewhat become a tool used by racists to provoke people.
Originally posted by bonnieprince
People must stop living in the past!
The amount of things in this thread i've seen mentioning founding fathers and flag our ancestors died for and such is ridiculous.
1. The founding fathers were not some gods who knew what the future would hold, they were humans, yes visionary at the time, but the USA and the world has completely different challenges today. The world is not the same as it was then, back then Texas was owned by the Spanish and native americans hadn't been completely decimated for the settlers to move to the west. The thing is they didn't know what the future held, they didn't write in clauses for immigration, they didn't know the Irish would come over (which im sure many of us have ancestors who came over in that wave). They didn't know one day there would be world wars. They didn't know a lot about what the future held. America needs to adapt to the new world, you spread an idea of freedom and equality around the globe, but don't want to give it back in your own country.
Yes an immigrant policy is good, but the problem is you arn't going to stop anything until you address the reasons people are coming over here. Help Mexico develop more opportunities for its people, so they don't have to come to a land who once upon a time welcomed people with that mantra. Stop your companies employing illegal immigrants, they will always come if you don't do this, if the government won't, then organise a peaceful, grassroots campaign of boycotts of these companies. If you don't like it do something other than say you'd bash them if you had the chance, that just makes you no better than them and escalates things.
On history, people never fought for a flag, they fought for what it stands for, freedom. If you want to uphold this symbol, you let people knock down your flag and say 'you know, thats ok because you're free to do so'. That would show them what it really means to be American.
Originally posted by i944002
reply to post by ker2010
Deport them all.
Now. This has gone too far. Mexico for Mexicans, America for Americans.