President Obama proposes cutting border security in 2011 federal budget

This doesn't surprise me, but it makes me wonder if he is trying to foment an uprising on purpose or something. I mean, really. He knows the nation is stressed psychologically, that we walk a razors edge right now. And he make drastically unpopular domestic policy decisions.

I mean, really...what the hell is going on here?

I saw that there were a couple of admitted "former" CIA agents on Hardball the other night. They were equating Tea Parties with terrorists, and saying that they are the biggest threat to America:

Newsbusters Link On Matthews

ROBERT BAER, FORMER CIA FIELD OFFICER: But what I'm really afraid, Chris, is the next time one of these guys are going to get through. And what's it gonna do to this country? It's gonna rip it apart. Because people are gonna be looking for quick, immediate answers.

MATTHEWS: How so?

BAER: You know, they're gonna, they're gonna look, you know, crack down on, you know, who knows where it's gonna to end up? You're gonna see the Tea Party being, you know, being strengthened. You're gonna see people blaming the White House for a situation it didn't create.

MATTHEWS: Yeah.

BAER: It could affect the, you know it could affect the United States for a long time. Look, it got us into a war in Iraq we didn't need to be in...

MATTHEWS: Yeah well I agree.

Who the hell is going to believe anything the CIA says? More importantly, why is the CIA trying to equate Tea Party with Terrorists? I think this is something important to watch for, especially considering this post:

The fact that outside/non student agitators were present and even bussed into Kent has been talked about by many. My grandparents lived in Kent during this time and often talked about the violence and the fires in the streets prior to May 4. Without these agitators the whole event could have been avoided.

And now we see that even the people that the government accuses, and that the media has already tried and convicted, are not likely guilty of much. The Hutaree case is falling apart:

When the nine members of the Hutaree militia group were arrested in late March near Adrian, Michigan, the MSM ran hard with the story. Within 48 hours, the template was set: A “right-wing extremist Christian” militia group had been planning to wreak havoc by killing law enforcement officers as a way to engage a wider war against the government.

Soon the MSM had the Hutarees tried, convicted and jailed.

Throughout most of April, the story faded from the news and left behind the public assumption that the Hutarees’ diabolical plot had been thwarted by the FBI in the nick of time.

Then, at an April 27 court hearing concerning the group’s disposition as they awaited trial, the lead FBI agent in the case against the Hutarees was called to testify before U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts. That’s when, according to the Detroit News, the government’s case started showing some serious cracks:

I see what they are going to try to do. Be wary. You have been warned.

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Geeez thanks for the arrythmia. Perry won the republican ticket in the PRIMARY. But if he screws us on this immigration thing, I GUARANTEE you he'll be out on his ear in November (well, January) West Texas might form a posse & physically remove him themselves.

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I didn't mean for what I said to sound racist in any way... simply stating a fact as I used to live in El Paso two miles from the border and know firsthand how strapped those organizations are due to the forementioned reasons. They're admirably, but unsuccessfully trying to do everything right by everyone, but eventually there will come a point where they're simply overwhelmed.

In any case, my point was that I agreed with your assessment - even if you don't necessarily agree with mine. Cheers!

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
The 2010-11 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook
Over $20 Billion of Budget Problems Need to Be Addressed in Coming Months
Our forecast of California’s General Fund revenues and expenditures shows that the state must address a General Fund budget problem of $20.7 billion between now and the time the Legislature enacts a 2010–11 state budget plan. The budget problem consists of a $6.3 billion projected deficit for 2009–10 and a $14.4 billion gap between projected revenues and spending in 2010–11. Addressing this large shortfall will require painful choices—on top of the difficult choices the Legislature made earlier this year.
www.lao.ca.gov...
Nowhere in this report do they address illegal immigration.

2010: Arizona, the Legislature, and the $3.2 Billion Deficit
In response to a question, Sinema acknowledged that the State Pension Retiree Fund is solvent and that the much-maligned Photo Radar program provided $32 million for state coffers last year. She further disclosed that the Unemployment Insurance Fund is insolvent and borrows money from the Federal government to meet its obligations while the number one corporation with Arizonans on ACCESS remains Wal-Mart.
sedonatimes.com...

New Mexico faces potential budget issues for FY2011.[1] In March 2010, Gov. Richardson vetoed a proposed tax on food, but signed other tax increases that will provide about $170 million next year to help balance the budget.[2] The Legislative Finance Committee said in early April 2010, state revenues were $76 below projected levels. If revenues are insufficient at the end of the fiscal year, the difference to balance the budget comes from the state's cash reserves.[1] Gov. Bill Richardson and legislators are relying on that money to avoid more spending cuts in the upcoming 2011 fiscal year.[1] Gov. Richardson said then that he thought the taxes would be sufficient to balance the budget, and he also planned on $20 million of federal funds stimulus funds to shore up the budget.[1] Lawmakers have criticized the Governor's reliance on one-time sources.[1]
sunshinereview.org...

Read the State by State CARF reports, not the cooked book budget reports and you'll find the states and the nation have enough surplus assets they could liquidate and pay the national and state debts six times over. I'm so tired of hearing the lie that the USA is in the hole.

Well why wouldn't De Furer cut immigration funding. It's not like were ready to have a revolution in this country any minute. It's not like people are ready to take to the streets over this. I think the Government wants to see people riot. Why else would they push us so far?

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“Nineteen percent of youth aged 12 to 17 report past year illicit drug use,” the report says. That is approximately one out of every five teenagers in the United States.

How does 19 percent equal 1 out of every 5? Has math really gotten that bad in this country? I mean, does 19 percent equal 1/5 percent?

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National ID. They'll say to avoid racial profiling we need blanket protections. Most protestors are acting on the orders of provacateurs and many don't even realize it. Why do people forget that the bulk of protestors are PAID activists?

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It would be 20%, which is pretty close. I think it's stupid to pin that on illegals though. if the kids didn't want it..well, no one would sell it.

Originally posted by lpowell0627

Originally posted by jaynkeel
One positive about the situation, when our country falls apart there will be no one at the border to stop the masses from exiting.

You get a star for that comment!
It's really funny and I never thought about it that way.

I wonder how many of the protestors on tv are illegal aliens I'm seeing. There are a half million of them are there not? I imagine they'd be the first to show up. I'm all for profiling myself. As to your comment, why wait to exit? Why don't we just illegally immigrate to Mexico and sell drugs there? I hear we can make a fortune. Why accept mediocre pay here in the USA? We can just go to work at the companies that have relocated there. And when enough of us are situated there, we can hold a constitutional convention and turn the government there into what the government should have been here. Plus we can make sure nothing the central banks have going on can go on there. Let the Mexicans have the US, it'll just be like Mexico in 20 years or so and we'll work to make Mexico what the US should have been by now. IMHO.

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I used to be one of those kids. It should be legalized but then the banks wouldn't be able to replace cash and checks with digital debit/ credit currency like they plan, by claiming it would stop illicit sales. I think confusing illegal immigrants with drug cartels is a fatal flaw in the debate. The problem I see with not entering legally is that we have no way to know who is a criminal or is infected with illness or not. Otherwise, I say who cares, let them come. But, there's something not right about letting strangers in your house. Gone are the days of leaving the doors unlocked unless you are really isolated still. You're right on the math, it is close. But close is not the same as having the cigar. Cute pic.

Originally posted by PhyberDragon
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The problem I see with not entering legally is that we have no way to know who is a criminal or is infected with illness or not.

This is true, but on the same token we have this very screwed up system that demands large amounts money to even get here and then even more to be a citizen. Of course poor people are going to break the rules. People want to compare it to Ellis island but there is no comparison. Ellis island didn't demand cash nor did they turn away people who couldn't speak English. It wasn't that difficult to get into this country.

As for people saying it's a ploy for votes, most Hispanics are socially conservative. It's a bit presumptuous to think they would vote for Democrats.

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You've solved the problem right there. Comprehensive immigration reform would mean making it cheaper and easier to be a citizen legally, then, there'd be less of a demand to do it illegally. I just really think medical screening should play a major part in that process. They stopped doing it at Ellis and Angel Islands before they closed and we paid a price for it. Easier to get in legally means less incentive to enter illegally. The government and scholars know this. It's not about votes, elections are based on the international bankers decisions througfh the electoral college. It's about National ID cards and universal track and monitor systems. It's about one united north american continent in a global world order. IMHO.

It's hardly surprising really. The elites have decided that America is just an idea, ... who's time has come and gone. It's time for open borders and merging with Mexica and Canada.

I stopped supporting Bush when he went AWOL on immigration, and of course the dem.s need open borders to secure their power forever.

By the way this is how they successfully destroyed the UK. The ultra-lib.s there imported enough third worlders and muslims to guarantee their power for generations. That is of course until the Muslims take over, and then you can kiss democracy good bye.

I suppose that's the ultimate irony of the open border policy, a reversion to some type of tyranny, based on third world values will inevitably ensue. In fact once the chaos reaches a certain level people will demand law and order and a 'firm' police state to bring order.

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And I grew up in Paducah, Ky just south of Chicago. It's called Little Chai Town or Little Chicago. It is connected to Chicago by about 50 different street gangs including the mafia and the black mafia. Bloods and Crips are allies in those two towns. Obama is from there and I promise you they have enough dirt on him to leverage him but good. He is the drug cartel in question. He and his cronies. Why would he cut off his own organizations profits? He wouldn't.

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Actually, 1 out of 5 is 20%, so that's kinda close to splitting hairs.
It is just barely less than 1 out of 5.

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yeah, I just reread that and they used the word "approximately". Not sure why I missed that the first read over. Guess i was caught up in the numbers. I know it is splitting hairs, but, I spend alot of time with the kids at home unteaching the misguided crap they read in school. Math is about logic not reasoning, but, this new math teaches fuzzy logic and reasoning. If you reason math you can make it mean what ever you want. 1 horse plus 1 cow equals 2 animals mixed together (1+1=2) or it equals 1 horse cow which is 3 different animals (1+1=1). Or 1 man plus 1 woman equals 2 babies which is 4 people (1+1=4). Anyway, I shouldn't be so anal about it I suppose.

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Oh I know where you are, I live a few hours south of that. Hoptown is the closest drug fest here. Hopkinsville is a nasty town, they run a lot of drugs through it. Ironically, it's mostly legals doing the nasty work. As I am the kind of person who equates drugs to slavery, well i just won't do em.

As for Obama, I don't know if he is tied in with cartels. I don't see him as vastly different from Bush. His policies aren't even that different from his predecessors. I do feel this is aimed at upsetting people to the point they accept whatever is put on the table to "stop" the "problem". I've been seeing people advocating invading mexico and pushing a national ID card.

What a worthless socialist Gorilla.

The economy is not as strong as some would like . Americans who already live here are out of work. I dont see how we can better people's lives when we can not even better our own life or get food on the table... But that is just my opinion




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I've been to Hoptown. Memories there. Well howdy neighbor. I did get caught up in that crowd and believe me it's a laundry list. My coc aine came from the West Kentucky drug task force and the marijuana came from the judges. They also have their hands on the alchohol in dry counties- I made alot of money there. The mayors were on the take and so are the Senators, Representatives, even the aldermen. I've no doubt Obama is dirty. If he's clean I'll be hog tied and pickled pink. I got out of it a few years ago. Good to hear you avoided that mess. You know as well as I how rampant the drugs and crime is there in those parts.