Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

Originally posted by freighttrain
UPDATE ---

I don't know how posting my name will help? Other then exposing myself!

Viral marketing, of course. "Hey, Mr Publisher, look at all the names clamoring in support of Judy's new book - 'How I discovered the now sadly unprovable signal from space, and the powers that be COVERED IT UP!'"

Plus it's a great mailing list! Win-win baby!

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by freighttrain
UPDATE ---

I don't know how posting my name will help? Other then exposing myself!

Viral marketing, of course. "Hey, Mr Publisher, look at all the names clamoring in support of Judy's new book - 'How I discovered the now sadly unprovable signal from space, and the powers that be COVERED IT UP!'"

Plus it's a great mailing list! Win-win baby!

Drill baby drill came to mind...............

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by ickylevel
But your explanation for the word spectrum is not relevant.

Oh yes it is.

You probably ignore that spectrum has several meaning. One of them if just the "enumeration" of the differents "type" of frequency that exists (like gamma rays, visible light, micro waves). This is the total spectrum , not the spectrum of something emited(for example) by an element (what your are talking about).

If you accept that definition of spectrum, Judy's statement remains just as idiotic as in any other interpretation. Seriously. Gamma rays cannot "give off" "radio emissions".

Icky was just as puzzled, "suprised" as I am at Dr Judy's remarks, he just didn't call them idiotic. As to Gamma waves we don't know what can be "given off" by them other than their effect on other particles/waves.

reply to post by HighDefinitionFilms


beautifully put
could not agree more.

Originally posted by cosmicpixie

So it is obviously the same Judy Faltskog Wayne's been talking with and on all these sites she said the same thing about her occupation and it's the same Judy who has been found on several of those sites belonging to different organizations that have Astronomers input their obs (eg Seti@home)and she clocked up a fair amount of hours over those sites with her contributions and the dates on at least one go back some years. On the seti@home site her profile links to her website so it's the same woman.

Hey, check this out then...you'll see me, Tom O'Bedlam, there at the number 3 position! I'm no astronomer. But, in order to check out the credibility level given by showing up there, I joined NASA Ames too! Obviously it's not much of a screening tool...and I'm afraid I can now also claim I'm "linked" to NASA. For that matter, we probably have credits still over on Team Art Bell, from YEARS ago, but I'm not sure it proves a long-standing association with Art, either. Wanna take a ride?

So - she is obviously an Astronomer and one who happens to be really into the UFO scene . We know also that she has given some radio interviews.

I'm an astronomer too! At least, by the NASA Ames team test.

Not to say this is not a hoax, it more than likely is, or a misinterperetation or misunderstanding, but I just wanted to address some concerns about how a deep UV signal can be picked up via radio telescope.

Radio telescopes are very similar to visible light telescopes because all electromagnetic energy works, physically the same. Both light and radio waves move at the speed of light through space and both reflect off surfaces in the same way.

Using radio telescope technology from all over the world we are building images of the super-massive black hole at the centre of our galaxy using both the light and radio emissions of the surrounding suns as black holes emit nothing (perhaps Hawking radiation).

So while it sounds odd, to be looking for light on a radio telescope, it isn't the first time I've come across this and it's easier to just think of light and radio as one and the same. I find this diagram is really useful to help understand the Electromagnetic Spectrum:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1f6d38b3affd.jpg[/atsimg]

Hope that helps a little perhaps.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
Not to say this is not a hoax, it more than likely is, or a misinterperetation or misunderstanding, but I just wanted to address some concerns about how a deep UV signal can be picked up via radio telescope.

Sorry, but it's not true. Yes, it's all one big spectrum. But you can't receive light on a radio receiver - the designs and techniques for looking at different parts of the EM spectrum are different. One's called an optical telescope, the other a radio telescope, for good reason.

reply to post by Bedlam


It is true. A simple Google search will bring up this info. It doesn't have to form a picture as you would consider in a traditional optical telescope, but the signature of the light can be read all the same.

Anything past x-ray will move through the telescope unnoticed, but the signature of anything resonating at lower frequencies can be detected in many new telescopes, and it's that signature that they're talking about, not a visible image.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
reply to post by Bedlam

 

It is true. A simple Google search will bring up this info. It doesn't have to form a picture as you would consider in a traditional optical telescope, but the signature of the light can be read all the same.

Show me a radio telescope that receives UV light. Not a spectrometer, not a radiometer, not a riometer. A radio telescope. I'll wait.

edit ps: it has to be a real working instrument, that phrase about resonating at lower frequencies sounds alarmingly woo. Because an EM wave is of lower energy, (and thus lower frequency), it doesn't "resonate at lower frequencies", resonance is an entirely different phenomenon

edit pps: the highest frequency span rt's I know of are sub-millimetric radio telescopes, they generally top out in the THz range, or near to it. Which is pretty damned high, but still very much not visible light. Past direct reception in the 0.5 THz range, they generally use bolometry, which isn't really radio telescopy at all at that point, but a very sensitive heat detector. At that point, it starts becoming a big radiometer. And THOSE are in the far far IR.


[edit on 4-5-2010 by Bedlam]

[edit on 4-5-2010 by Bedlam]

reply to post by Pr0t0


Interesting how the wave gets smaller. What would happen if you artificially generated constructive and destructive waves so small that they ruptured space time itself?

Originally posted by smurfy

A UV signal from outer space most likely, would not be received on the ground, unless Dr Judy is on some other tack. On the other hand Hubble can see UV and with it's updates that might include the use of fibre optics in some process that we don't know about. Alexis can see extreme UV and IR and may include ability to see other parts of the ES. Satellites that are not obstensibly dedicated telescopes, could have any capabilty not known to us. Anything in orbit around Earth is a potential staging post to record and retransmit back to Earth.

[edit on 4-5-2010 by smurfy]

A possibility. It would rule out ground-based observations per the initial information, rule out radio telescopes altogether (although ground tracking stations for satellites look just like radio telescopes), and still necessitate the UV signal to be focused into a beam and modulated.

Assuming the UV signal were focused and directed towards Earth from all 5 (I think it was) stars, that would indicate that we are already jacked into the Galactic Interwebs. Otherwise, why wast energy beaming the connection to us?

Another slight (but not insurmountable) problem I have is in the stars mentioned.

Aldebaran is 65 light years away, and an orange giant star (K5III). That doesn't bode well as an origin point of life, but a colonial type setup couldn't be ruled out. If it were a colony, then one would expect there to be stars relatively closer to it sending the same sort of communication signal.

Izar is Epsilon Bootis, a double star consisting of an orange giant and an A2V star, similar to Sirius. it's about 300 light years away. Because of the distances involved, one would expect similar signals closer to it, too.

Epsilon Eridani is a K2V star (somewhat weaker than the sun) about 10.5 light years away. That's more like what we would expect. The problem is that it's only about 1 billion years old. Taking earth as an example, at 1 billion years we had microbes, and not much else. Stromatolites, even, were still 600,000 years away. On the positive side, epsilon eridani is thought to have two debris belts (probably asteroids) and at least one gas giant planet in an orbit 3.4 times the distance of earth from the sun (too far for life as we know it). That, however, is still under dispute.

Thuban is a binary star, with a primary star of A0III (white giant) 250 times more energetic than our sun, and has a companion star (proobably a red dwarf) in a 51 day orbit. These conditions don't bode well for the formation of planets around this system at all. Thuban is about 310 light years from us.

Proxima Centauri is the closest star currently to the sun, at about 4.25 light years. It's the third star in the trinary Alpha Centauri system, but is far enough from the first two to allow planet formation. No planets have yet been detected there. Proxima's spectral type is M5.5e, a red dwarf. The 'e' means 'emissive', a star subject to violent flares. Because it's a flare star, and a red dwarf to boot, it's not a likely candidate for life as we know it, even if it has planets.

Keep in mind that the distances listed are distances from Earth, not straight-line distances between these stars, which are spread all over the field. Because of the range of stellar types, everything from red dwarves to white giants, they aren't likely to harbor the same sort of life as each other, or us, if they harbor life at all. Also, electromagnetic radiation being limited to the speed of light, and UV being a wavelength of the E-M spectrum, UV communications between these stars and earth would take the amount of time listed as 'distance' in light years to travel. Generally, they shouldn't expect any return messages in a human lifetime (except Proxima and Epsilon Eridani). I've not done the math to find out how far they are from one another.

All in all, I think if I were writing science fiction (which I do, but that's another story - see the 'Space Opera' thread) I could have chosen a better list of candidate stars, but that alone doesn't necessarliy rule them out. It just means UV communication wouldn't be very efficient at sending imminent news, or that there may not be anyone home to answer the phone. On the other hand, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 1 scene 5.

right on proto. I've been reading this thread throughout the day. i knew of what you speak of but was hesitant to post because of the lack of credible info from judy. to me it seems to be a hoax. that said proto is absolutely correct. we detect cross frequency signatures all the time on our equipment. it shows up more as interference more than something you can make sense of. but be certain. this DOES happen. to us its more of a nuisance but if they can make sense of it with their radio telescopes, awesome!

i think EVERYONE here is jumping to conclusions. lets just wait and see. if all the world is looking at this then more info should leak out about this from other sources.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
reply to post by Bedlam

 

It is true. A simple Google search will bring up this info. It doesn't have to form a picture as you would consider in a traditional optical telescope, but the signature of the light can be read all the same.

Anything past x-ray will move through the telescope unnoticed, but the signature of anything resonating at lower frequencies can be detected in many new telescopes, and it's that signature that they're talking about, not a visible image.

Good posts from Proto and Neno, and right on the money technically. Great cap to an interesting thread. About that thread...it's possible that training is broadcast from someone that teaches posters to dismiss and disparage but (this being something of a conspiratorial site) it's also possible that conspirers follow some stories and after signing up for free dis them.
Dunno, but I'm sure that as a layman I'd not give notice to this story whether it were true or not, given the feedback. That's a gyp if it's true.
That being I'd need to hear from scientist Falstaff or Reichstagg or whatever her name is, and more about that kissing part. That was cool. And telling, given how early that little slam appeared.
Could be a test run: covering up a fake story just to get the details right for a true one.
Or.....she could really be a lesbian. Nice!

SO, what has officially come of this? In a nutshell please because I made the mistake of mentioning it to a guy from Semetronics ( the people who make the lasers for the radio telescopes) and none of them heard anything about it. Not one word, though they were intrigued. These guys are one of my customers so I don't wish to look foolish. They will be asking tomorrow, so help me out here.

What are you guys talking about? Radio waves ARE light waves...

All you need is a receiver and you can tune it to detect whatever band you want :-p

Originally posted by reject
reply to post by A boy in a dress

 

uh oh... I think someone has a huge crush on our phage

anyway, I got bored and thought because this isn't firsthand information, maybe they misunderstood her.

maybe she meant their radiotelescopes zeroed in on celestial bodies with ultraviolet excess and detected artificial patterns in the radio signals

oh well; we can dream, right?

anybody else consider this possibility?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Sigh....ok, if people like you still want to argue on the fact that the OP used the generic term of radio telescope as a smoking gun, i cannot stop you guys. BUT Deny ignorance is the motto here.

I'd love if the claim was real. But you can't just go off believing anything people say. Especially someone so affiliated with UFO's and alien abductions who also claims to be an accredited "quantum physicist" with absolutely zero peer-reviewed content to speak of. Anyone can claim they're a scientist just depending on how you define the term. There hasn't even been any information posted yet that proves she's a REAL scientist of any kind. All we know is that she knows alot about alien abductions and UFO's. That's it?

I, too, am a quantum physicist just depending on how you look at it. I'm not just going to believe her because she donated computer resources to process SETI data either. I did that in 2002. I just fail to see the objectivity of taking all this on faith when there is more reason to disbelieve her than anything else.

-ChriS

Originally posted by dualsweat
What are you guys talking about? Radio waves ARE light waves...

All you need is a receiver and you can tune it to detect whatever band you want :-p

LOL. Radio waves are another band in spectrum than Light waves. So, therefore Radio Waves ARE NOT Light waves.

Light waves has different frequency, meaning different wave length meaning different Photon energy than radio waves. Both electromagnetic radiation (waves) were emitted by photons. We call photons Light only when human can see it. This naming issue is just a matter of categorizing different energy-areas of Photon. Of course, no astronomers will make mistakes related to this. This is just so obvious to them.

In radio astronomy the wavelengths are 10 000 times of light wavelength. Therefore we need 10 000 bigger telescope and that's why we have radio interferometry. Hundreds of radio telescopes connected together like arrays.

Dr. Judy had broken protoccol and spilt the beans. So, imagine I am a damage control specialist. How shall I contain such information and convey it to ATS, reputed to be visited by millions of page views daily?

I) Information containment.
====================

1. Credibility Destruction
------------------------

a.) There are no records of Judy's CV, impossible in this day and age. Not even in FB. No Phd dissections on subjects she holds dear. Only words by mouth. She is a con artiste. She holds no regular job. Nasa has no claims of her job status or any records of payments being made to her.

b.) Observatories around the world has no records of her working on any projects or even her presence there once. Reading up on subjects does wonder, and that's how she managed to con others. If she is as she says she is, where are her records and documentation? Nothing. Is her name even Judy Falksong? Who is she?

c.) She is into alien abduction, UFOs, etc. Just another crank on Earth.

d.) Who is Wayne but another struggling author? Authors know that they need publicity to market their books. Good or bad is still publicity and its a numbers game. The more are aware of his books, the more many will buy. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt by an author. There is NO Deciphered Alien Signal. It is a Hoax.


2. Information Destruction
-------------------------

a. UV signals on RADIO TELESCOPES? Any child will tell you it is ridiculous. UV is already absorbed by the atmosphere, so there nothing to even witness let alone record of UV signatures. A waste of time and money. It is one spectrum that is impossible for radio telescopes to pick up. That alone will tell you it is a hoax. Don't waste your time. Move along now.

b. Are any observatories telling you the discovered the signal? Nope. Life goes on wonderfully daily. Even your friends are telling you everything is rosy and normal. Nothing at all. It is a hoax.

c. Signal modulations, candles giving off radio waves? a bag of nonsense more likely. Able to fool the technically illiterate but unlikely to professionals.

d. More critically, if such signal was found, would it not be all over MSM by now? It's paradigm shifting and proves Hawkins foresight correct, that aliens exists. So where are the news on such events? Nothing. No credible news reporter would cover such nonsense. It's all a hoax. Move along now. End of story. But you know UFO cranks, they will always see conspiracy on every issue, even if proven wrong.

This is not the first time, nor the last. Earth is at peace, people are in harmony with their betters, life is great.

( If you buy the above crap, then I can sell ice to Eskimoes in Alaska! Find out what happened to real life whistleblowers such as Erin Brovagavich)


II) THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.
============================

Suppose now I am an investigator to the extra-terresterial phenomen. These will be some basic info to start for the search.

1. )Credibility Info.
-------------------

a. ) Dr. Judy Falksong is who she claims she is. A qualified Astronomer. While there are conflicting claims of her lacking in documents, there is a newspaper report in S. Africa 2006 of her attempting to work in Germany but rejected by the authorites, NOT because of her qualifications, but only because of her crime - kissing another woman.

South Africa and Germany are not a liberal country such as America, where they hold your word as your bond. They are more practical, strict and demanding of proper documentation, huge bureacracy and red tape at every stage of the process to apply for visas.

If her documents are faked, she would have been thrown out the door at the very first stage. Thus, she is what she is, till more documentation shows up, if it ever shows up.


b. ) She has many friends, amongst them professionals, but it counts for nothing as many will know one can simply link friends to a FB site. She works in Nasa, but Nasa is not some organisation that freely gives out information to their staff or members of the public, as they DO deal in national security projects. And this is the cause of the dead end for further confirmation of her CV.

c. ) The other way to get round this is an investigation to her education institutuitions, if the authorities there would co-operate. It takes time and is exhaustive, BUT at this stage of investigations, it does not warrant that path, at least not yet base on what is avaliable, as the INFO is more critical than who she is right now. Info given is how one can dispute or agree and form the basis and efforts for further investigation. Nut jobs info are easy to crack.


2. Information given.
--------------------

a.) the terms she used which seem confusing to ordinary layman such as 'radio-telescopes' could be simply her way to dumb down terminologies so that ordinary laymen may understand.

It is not easy to break down complex issues to simple laymen terms, espacially if she lives and breathes quantum astrophysics. It takes a skill. For examply, try talking to your lawyer to ask him to break down the 200 page contract into simply terms and he would go wide eye.


b. ) She alleges that she found an alien signal from UV signals. UV is one of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum that operates with wavelengths, that if one has a proper receiver, would be able to decipher the modulations, akin to deciphering morse code, the very first form of cryptography used in the world besides smoke signals.


c. ) Such modulation cyptology deciphering is possible in todays technological advancement, even on Earth base observatories, using spectrography techniques such as the one in SALT observatory and those in our skies.

In good times, UV would have been absorbed by our atmosphere, but these are not good times today, with Geomagnetic storms recently, and such UV signatures may had been picked up during those period.


d.) While our radio telescopes may not read UV signals, it is not true that UV signals are unable to pass through such mechanical devices. It does on a daily basis, but only that the reciever to read such data is not there, as most RAO devices are only monitoring SPECIFIC wavelengths and not those of UV.

There is still much to learn and discover about UV and its energies, such as for use in new generations of efficient photovoltic cells for solar energy source as proven by A. Professor Saki Sonoda of the Kyoto Institute of Technology during 57th Spring Meeting of the Japan Society of Applied Physics on March 19 2010.

Such knowledge are progressing at breakneck speeds, while you and I, the ordinary laymen, are more concerned about applying what we know today to earn a living, than compared to the NASA boys who have to figure out new ways and new technologies to improve their studies of the Cosmos.

True Science is never at a standstill, and very often, what we know yesterday makes way for new theories and applications of today.
The point is, there may had been a new way to optimise the earth based radio telescopes to read UV data. The possibility exists, not that it does not or be simply written off as hogwash.


At this point of time, without further information from Dr. Judy, there isnt very much to go on, except that even if this incident had been a hoax, to perhaps consider the possibilities of looking at the entire electromagnetic spectrum in searching for extra-terresterial life......

My only interest here piqued when the Alderbaran star system was mentioned. The evil Dr Herman Obeth. a member of the occult Thule society, who pioneered rocket design for the Reich, claimed such knowledge came from extra-terresterials.

Maria Orsic was the German medium in 1919 who made contact throught telepathy to an unknown civilisation from the Alderbaran star system. What happened next was an evolution of technology unseen in transitional periods of mankind's history.

After the war, the germans surrendered, but a mystery appears in Antartica with Admiral Byrd's driven backed attempt on conquest there with a vast army.

Today, we blame the hole in our ozone layer as caused by our carbon dioxide emissions. The ozone layer layer absorbs 93–99% of the sun's high frequency ultraviolet light. With this hole, it would mean UV light WILL PASS THROUGH our atmosphere. And this hole is located in the Antarctic.

Coincidence?