English Defence League take over mosque roof!

Originally posted by LurkerMan
maybe the whole reason for these wars in the middle east is to create an image of guilt they will be able to feed off in the future.

like black people and slavery...

Doubt it, more like a desire to sell oil and make dollar, a bit like a ho.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Thepreye

 

First of all wtf has this quote got to do with your reply?

The world has changed now though, Slobodan melosovic tried to perform a copy-cat hitler but failed and has made his people paid dearly by deviding his nation.

You seem to make it sound like the re-birth of hitler is inevitable.But the above sentence was my reply to your hitler post.

The vast majority of British people are very hard working and take a lot of pride in their work, regardless of position and 'social standing'.
It is an insult to millions to suggest anything other.

If they were hard working, there wouldn't be any need for hundreds and thousands of immigrants to do the dirty low paid jobs coming into UK every year.Now immigrants who are the 3rd generations are working their way up and taking the top jobs.Most of the MP's standing for the local elections in my area are indians and pakistanis.

Read my post on P.17 regarding those nations who know the meaning of 'hard work' and not being dependant on immigration.

I also believe that whilst still personally unattractive to me, Christianity generally, has progressed and is much more tolerant compared to what it once was yet Islam, especially the brand that is increasing in influence, has regressed.

Christianity will eventually cease to exist as it progresses towards secularism.Accepting paedophiles and gays just shows how fast christianity is progressing into the future.It has been corrupted for centuries according to the desires and whims of people following it.While Islam has remained the same as it was 1400 years ago.

I advise you to look at British way of life before WW2, than maybe you will realise what made Britain 'Great'.It use to be a nation that ruled the world without the need of immigrants, now without immigrants this country would collapse.

But I do resent the current open door policy and immigrants who enter my country and make no attempt whatsoever to contribute to this society.
And then on top of that have the nerve and the gall to criticise my country, insult the very basis of our society and attempt to change it into a replica of the back water hell hole they come from.
I, and millions like me will not allow this to happen.

The immigrants you are talking about are the 2nd and 3rd generations here and understand the British way of life inside out i.e anjem choudary.The recent arrivals don't have time for those things because they are here to make BIG money.

So stay where you are at and don't emmigrate here

My parents came here as economic migrants,i am the 2nd generation so for me this is my country and that does not mean i have to sacrifice my own culture and religion to intergrate into something that has got nothing positive to add to my life.I am studying and once i start working i will pay taxes as any other 'hard working' British person.

Originally posted by Horus12
reply to post by Tiger5

 

Islam - Muhammad - He could not read or write, married a 6 year old girl and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.

Wow, what can we label those who follow Islam eh?


And they say christianity is #ed up.

The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History is a 1978 book by Michael H. Hart, reprinted in 1992 with revisions. It is a ranking of the 100 people who, according to Hart, most influenced human history. The first person on Hart's list is Muhammad. Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also opined that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity. He attributes the development of Christianity to St. Paul, who played a pivotal role in its dissemination.

Wiki

Someone who cannot read or write turns out to be the most influential person in history?

Originally posted by Tiger5
What would people have wanted the government to do to stop the spread of Islam? Should the British Government have banned all Moslems? How was this going to be implemented?

Mauritania 99.9% 3,083,772
Maldives 99.9% 348,756
Western Sahara 99.8% 272,461
Somalia 99.5% 8,548,670
Turkey 99% 68,963,953
Iran 99% 67,337,681
Algeria 99% 32,206,534
Afghanistan 99% 29,629,697
Yemen 99% 20,519,792
Tunisia 99% 9,974,201
Oman 99% 2,971,567
Comoros 99% 664,534
Djibouti 99% 471,935
Morocco 98.7% 32,300,410
Iraq 97% 25,292,658
Libya 97% 5,592,596
Pakistan 96.35% 156,491,617
Saudi Arabia 95.7% 25,281,642
Tajikistan 95% 6,805,330
Jordan 95% 5,471,745
Qatar 95% 819,898
Senegal 94% 10,459,222
Azerbaijan 93.4% 7,389,783
Egypt 91% 70,530,237
Mali 90% 11,062,376
Niger 90% 10,499,343
Gambia 90% 1,433,930
Uzbekistan 89% 23,897,563
Turkmenistan 89% 4,407,352
Indonesia 88.22% 213,469,356
Bangladesh 88% 127,001,272
Syria 88% 16,234,901
Guinea 85% 8,047,686
Kuwait 85% 1,985,300
Bahrain 85% 585,093
Palestine 84% 3,159,999
Kyrgyzstan 80% 4,117,024
United Arab Emirates 76% 1,948,041
Lebanon 70% 2,678,212
Albania 70% 2,494,178
Brunei 67% 249,481
Sudan 65% 26,121,865
Malaysia 60.4% 14,467,694
Sierra Leone 60% 3,610,585
Burkina Faso 55% 7,658,922
Chad 54% 5,306,266
Nigeria 50% 64,385,994
Eritrea 50% 2,280,799
Ethiopia 47.5% 34,700,310
Kazakhstan

Source

The British and the West can't ban s**t.

And i haven't even mentioned countries with muslim minorities.

[edit on 4-5-2010 by merkava]

Actually in those days who could rerad or write??

Who said that Jesus could read or write?

Originally posted by Haydn_17
ISLAM IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT A RACE!!!!!!!

Yes we know that, but discrimination will not be accepted either way wether you are muslim or black.

Originally posted by sotp
reply to post by Tiger5

 

Originally posted by Tiger5

So how come the EDL has a significant level of known racists in their midst.

The people of Britain are worried about this,

I don't get it.

Are the people of britain fed up with the radical islamists who march on streets calling for everyones death or are they fed up with the building of mosques which the local muslim communities are trying to build legally?

I think you are trying to mix the two which is going to cause alot of problems.If a muslim community is following the legal path building a mosque than in what way do they suddenly become blood thirsty islamists?

EDL are not protesting against only 'radical islamists'.Their ultimate aim is to get rid of ALL muslims.over and out.

reply to post by Tiger5


Hey tiger you can have some rest now.

My turn to take em all on.

When Islam begins to impeach on the day to day running of the monarchy, you will see a Henry VIII style reformation it IS ENGLISH RELIGIOUS LAW. To stop any majority faction, doesn't matter how many there are this is law which will be backed up with the Queens or Kings Army. They sound deluded if they think Islam will be above Royal Decree . It was made this way to stop any form of Religous Rebellion because Henry VIII knew how ridiculous religious idiology could be. It isn't tolerated and never will be again.
The thing alot of people don't understand about the UK, we absorb, we have done for 10'000 years or more. All nations that seek refuge in our isles will be absorbed and changed, we are an Island, this is the way it will always be. Seeing those videos shown about what they teach in mosques, I know alot of asians part of my family are asian and I've worked with plenty in the past this includes young and old Arabs....They gamble, drink to excess have extra marital affairs, watch pornos and steal. This isn't rhetoric I used to live in that town where that memorial was defaced which again is a criminal act.
I just wish they'd understand one MAJOR point.....If it weren't for the British and Americans last stand in Europe WW2 there would be no Islam. Because after the jews were gone who do you think was going to be next?
If their religion is so great how come Saudi is up the crapper in debt?
Don't tell me it's our fault......WE.... got them to build ridiculous buildings did we, and got their oil barrons to build their palaces while the people suffered. Yes they'll give them money for mosques and Universities..WHY?....so that they get it back in tripple when they take the money off the followers that attend them. It sounds so much like this.
en.wikipedia.org... and look who benifitted by that definitely not the people.


[edit on 4-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

Originally posted by merkava

Originally posted by Haydn_17
ISLAM IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT A RACE!!!!!!!

Yes we know that, but discrimination will not be accepted either way wether you are muslim or black.

Or white? Or Christian?

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
If it weren't for the British and Americans last stand in Europe WW2 there would be no Islam. Because after the jews were gone who do you think was going to be next?

jews were easy target.Hitler wasn't stupid either for attacking Islam as a whole because he knew he wouldn't get very far.

If there religeon is so great how come Saudi is up the crapper in debt?

For your information that was Dubai not Saudi, and dubai is recovering very well.

Maybe you should do your research on the latest batch of latest fighter jets being sold to Saudi by US.

It's very interesting.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by merkava

Originally posted by Haydn_17
ISLAM IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT A RACE!!!!!!!

Yes we know that, but discrimination will not be accepted either way wether you are muslim or black.

Or white? Or Christian?

It won't be accepted against anyone.

Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Thepreye

 

Not to the 30/50 or so edl supporters I know, they see anyone coloured as wogs and paki's to be fu**d off out the country, don't believe me find out where they're marching and tag along pretend your one of them chat to them they'll reveal all, they get tanked up on speed, draw and alcohol before a march so are loose lipped. Honestly they just hate immigrants for their own schoolyard and estate business experiences and are just out to intimidate and have a scrap to get themselves up higher on the local hard man greasy pole.

Thanks for telling us exactly who the EDL are and what their real objectives are.

They are all the same breed, just different colours.Let me name a few too.

-BNP
-National Front (NF)
-Stormfront (SF)

Most of the British people just want the radical islamists out who want to bring Sharia and god knows what into this country.And we all agree on that too.But we won't tolerate hardcore racists trying to stir up hatred and civil unrest.

Originally posted by Sozen94
reply to post by Parallex

 

No invasion, eh? So I guess it's fine when you see thousands of muslims pour into our country demanding benefits, houses, jobs and proper healthcare with translators? Some live in this country and don't even speak English!

What do you think the Islam4UK group and all the other islam extremist groups were about..

You're right. It's fine for them to preach hate on OUR streets, but its racist and offensive for us to protest back?

I think they are pouring into our country because we the brittish empire , sorry i mean britain are in their countries blowing the place up and covering every inch of ground in uranium depleted shells !

so why the hell would they wanna stay in their war torn country when they can reap the benefits that our country has !

simple isnt it !

Originally posted by Parallex
The EDL are criminal scum, and you're an apologist for them.

That's just your opinion, not fact. My opinion is that Islam, like *all* religions, is a cancer and is spreading fast and choking the life out of the people of Britain.

Muslims deserve to have somewhere to worship and practice their faith, just like Christians and everyone else does. The national government stepped in...

And they should not have. Britain is a secular country and the govt should not be intervening.

...who kick up a fuss about anything to do with Islam or arab / persian ethinicities.

Islam, yes. Arab/persan ethnicities - no. You're assuming that all Muslims are arab and or persian. I'm not. My bigotry is based purely at the religion, not the race of the individual that practices it.

This racism has to stop, and it has to stop now.

This isn't about racism. No one is talking about the "kinds" of people behind the religion. They're talking about the religion itself. Of which I will freely admit I am prejudiced and a bigot. But I include all religions in that comment.

So just Imagine this.....Hitler wins the war and attains the power of the atom bomb. What fight could any state put up against that in 1945?...Doesn't matter who or how many there were they would have been exterminated on mass, this is what his goal was World Ayrian Race. Glad to say in some respectsa he didn't succeed, but looking at todays attitudes of certain religious factions and their activities on all sides how much worse could it have been.
But I will return to the post subject at hand and not feed the rhetoric of bigots on both sides of the religious compass.
Everyone is within their right IF they are the proportional majority to make decisions that affects their own communities. This also includes the right to protest as do muslims that protest. The only protest that isn't acceptable is Violent protest. So I'm glad to say the Proportional Majority won the day, It does not matter what group or faction protests as long as it is peaceful and doesn't encourage violance and terrorism. (e.g burning flags etc). it's acceptable.





[edit on 4-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

My problem is with the abundance of Islam in the UK. I am not racist, I just dont like Islam. Some people may say thats a contradiction. Others may get offended. Well let them. My problem is with the religion, culture and way of living. Not the people who live it. If my problem was with the Labour Party, Conservatives or something such as gypsies. I would be allowed to voice my opinion, so why not Islam too. I really dont care anymore. A religion is a way of life to me, not a holy taboo never to be criticized. The UK culture is gradually fading away. What does it mean to be british anymore? Mosques on every street corner are not helping, neither are muslim extremists. I dont like brocolli, I dont like Gordon Brown, I dont like rainy weather, I dont like Islam. Whats so wrong with that? Dont go all righteous on me and demand I accept something in my country that I dont like.

If you live in the UK, adapt or accept our culture, our way of life, our language. We have no obligation to adapt to yours. Do what you want in your home, but on the street, in public, Britiain should remain British. If you have a problem with that, well you know where the door is. I dont care if you are 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, the longer you are here the more time you have had to integrate into our society. Thats no excuse.

I am sick of walking down the street, seeing arabic signs, hearing middle eastern languages, women hidden away under sheets, mosques pumping out islamic prayer. That is not England. If anyone believes that is an exageration then you have obviously never been to Birmingham.

What makes this all worse is the limp wristed pathetic politicians singing Britains praises for having a "multicultural" society, while the average english joe pays the price. It makes me sick. There is a muslim lady on our street who has 8 children! They keep trying for a baby until they get a boy or two. It took her 8 goes to get one and now she gets more child support than I earn in a month. The father doesnt work because he doesnt speak english. Enough said.

I am not on a personal vendetta against middle eastern people. My best friend is saudi arabian. His parents came to england 30 years ago and he and them speak perfect english have respectable jobs and are subtle with their religion. They make a compromise with the british people. They keep their own culture but take on enough of ours so as to integrate properly. This is how it should be. Do not come to our country expecting us to bend over backwards and change our beautiful country into something that you left behind in the Middle East.

Wheres your backbone England?

Originally posted by Pryde87
My problem is with the abundance of Islam in the UK.

Well the abundance of Islam is here to stay, the UK politicians should have thought about it in the past before they allowed muslims into this country after WW2.Surely they knew islamic history before they imported muslims here? Churchill made that very clear in his speeches.

I am not racist, I just dont like Islam.

No ones forcing you to like Islam, as long as you don't discriminate against muslims.

The UK culture is gradually fading away. What does it mean to be british anymore? Mosques on every street corner are not helping, neither are muslim extremists.

Mosques weren't built forcefully, legal permission was granted to build them.So if you want to blame someone than blame your local council.

Regarding British culture, what does one have to do to adopt the real british culture? Get pissed on Fri and Sat nights? Have kids with various people? Football holliganism?

If you live in the UK, adapt or accept our culture, our way of life, our language. We have no obligation to adapt to yours. Do what you want in your home, but on the street, in public, Britiain should remain British. If you have a problem with that, well you know where the door is. I dont care if you are 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, the longer you are here the more time you have had to integrate into our society. Thats no excuse.

Living in a democratic country, its me free will to do as i please as long as i don't break any rules or laws.So the rest of the garbage you have stated, keep it with yourself.Every person has their own personal preferance as to how they want to live their life.

I am sick of walking down the street, seeing arabic signs, hearing middle eastern languages, women hidden away under sheets, mosques pumping out islamic prayer. That is not England. If anyone believes that is an exageration then you have obviously never been to Birmingham.

You should go to London or Bradford, plenty more to see.

What makes this all worse is the limp wristed pathetic politicians singing Britains praises for having a "multicultural" society, while the average english joe pays the price. It makes me sick. There is a muslim lady on our street who has 8 children! They keep trying for a baby until they get a boy or two. It took her 8 goes to get one and now she gets more child support than I earn in a month. The father doesnt work because he doesnt speak english. Enough said.

Why did the government allow such people in UK in first place if they can't speak english?

reply to post by Tiger5


Yeshua could read and write... He most probably spoke Greek as well as Aramaic/Hebrew.... Contrary to popular belief, the Hebrews were quite sophistcated when it came to education.. Most read the Torah... And there are examples in scripture where Yeshua read directly from the Torah scrolls... He also quoted verses constantly which suggests education...

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Ditto on everything you said....