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posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
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And immigrant benefits cost the goverment millions, Anjem Choudary has 25k a year on benefits. Wake the f" up!



Ah yes not to mention this!!!!


The reason why Immigrants get priority housing in Britain is because of the resettlement grant landlords can apply for, landlords and councils get a bonus [resettlement grant] for housing asylum seekers etc.

Also immigrants have a very different tenancy agreement and it's covered by the official secrets act. It's 27 pages long, they have to practically have the prospective home furnished including a TV ,it states these homes are not to have prepayment meters and they have to have a land line, all paid for by the tax payer. This tenancy agreement has been leaked on the net by someone who worked for a housing association.

bnp.org.uk...


At the bottom of the page is the link to the actual document.







[edit on 3-5-2010 by Trublue]




posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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You got a link for that mate?

2nd line. (Eleventh word).



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Merkava,

I can trace my family's involvement in the "Motherland" over 3 generations. I offered the late Tory MP for Southend Teddy Taylor who was an advocate for repatriation a simple deal. Give me and mine £1m pound to leave the country and to forfeit any chance of me or my descendants ever returning and I would leave tomorrow.

He thought that I was being unreasonable.

I have heard all of this repatriation bullcrap since the 60s when it was directed at us darkies. Enough already.The Racists want a war and it will get Ugly. Because I for one will not be going anywhere.

My grandfather lost a leg for this country and in its hour of need and where I was born Remeberance Day was HUGE!

Here to stay! here to fight!



[edit on 3-5-2010 by Tiger5]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex
This is going to be my last post in this thread, because we're flogging a dead donkey.

The English Defence League = Racists & Fascists. (Chavs!)
The English Democrats = Racists & Fascists. (Dangerously smart with it)
The England First Party = Violent Racists & Fascists.
The British National Party = Racists & Fascists. (Very dim!)

These are truths - because alot of the nutters in this thread support them, they will try and hide this fact. I have studied history in detail, I have learned the lessons of the rise of fascism at the beginning of the 1900's. I understand what brought the holocaust to life. People like the EDL and their apologist goons were to blame - and evil wins if good men do nothing, so here I am.

Small mindedness has taken root here in the UK. People believe what they are told to believe.

I hate the UK government, and the crimes that it has committed. I detest the corporatist, commercially based judicial system that we have in this country that doesn't trade in justice. I detest the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Christian faith in the UK, as they writhe around in false self-righteousness - blithely ignorant of the pain, suffering and death that they have caused around the world. Most of all, I cannot stand the fascist air of superiority that CHAVS have built up around themselves when it comes to Muslims. These uneducated, white-trash scum poison our society more surely than any militant religion or foreigners could do at this time!

Other than our government, who would stand up for the rights of our Islamic citizens? Noone. They would be beaten, raped, pillaged and eventually killed by scum like the EDL if the rest of us didn't protect them. Because they are different, because they are an easy target, and because we are at WAR with others like them, you lot think it's ok to target them here?

NO, it's not ok. I'm white, atheist, progressive, liberal, a leftie, a loony, slightly overweight, and various other things that make me different to others - including being a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have been touched by his noodly appendage. Does this mean I have to dance to your tune? No. It doesn't.

Enoch Powell was right - there will be rivers of blood in the UK in the near future. But it wont be the blood of immigrants or ethnic minorities. It will be the blood of your sacred 'indigenous' white people - as they fight EACH OTHER. Yes you heard me - people like me would rather die fighting the fascist scum than let their poisonous ideas raise their ugly head on the national scale in Europe again. We will not rest until the UK has been purged of this small-minded, Nazi ideology.

No, I'm not a member of the UAF, I don't agree with the way they do things - but I am a member of something far greater - Great Britain. The land of tolerance, of individual liberty, the land that defied great empires, religious zealotry and fascism itself.

You will learn, my lovely fascist compatriots. You will learn.

Parallex. (I like signing my name - so there, you forum fascist.)

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Parallex]


Overt tautology once more, particularly calling us all 'fascist' (funny, I tend to be quite fond of the English bill of rights, unwritten and uncodified though it is).

I would not tolerate the wanton abuse and murder of Muslims, I don't know where you came up with such insane ideas, but I don't think that there should be a blanket ban on the discussion of Islam in Europe or Britain. Incidentally, since you love the term Nazi so much, perhaps you were blissfully unaware of the fact that many Muslims regard the Holocaust and Hitler as positive things? I recall the book stores in Malaysia being filled with "The International Jew" and "Mein Kampf". As well as the fact that several Eastern European nations raised SS Foreign Legions towards the end of the war.

We are not National Socialists.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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I think my previous post on previous page was a threadkiller, and people should read it again before they start immigrant ranting.

Those nations who don't want immigrants should follow in the footsteps of China, Japan, Korea and Russia etc.

It can be countered by simply pointing out countries such as China and Japan seem to do far better than we do economically without immigration. China is living proof you can train your own people to carry out skilled work. Also if you look at historical cases where immigration was used to solve skills shortages, you can find that under Peter the Great of Russia there was one such case, but very different approaches. Peter the Great imported thousands of Danes, Germans and Europeans to work in Russia and westernise Russia but the catch was they had to train native Russians to do the same skiled work. After that, all well-paid foreign workers were sent back home.

But what can you do about wealthy countries whose natives are too lazy to do hard work?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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I've been reading and thinking about this a bit. These EDL people need to wake up and see they are being played off against Muslims. While this is a potential danger, they are going about it the wrong way.

Firstly violence is never the answer. Secondly They need to realise that the REAL enemy is not the Islamic people, but our own government. Its our government who are taking our rights away. Its our government who are lying to us on a daily basis and stealing from us any opportunity they get. Its our government who are plundering muslim nations. Its our government who do all this without our approval, or even knowledge. Maybe then we will realise that we have an enemy in common with Muslims.

"My enemy's enemy is my friend"

This is divide and conquer. Its effective unfortunately.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Thepreye
 


The word "Islamic invasion" is probably an overstatement, yes, but there are efforts by sections of the Islamic community to subvert and cooerce British society and our democratic principles to further an agenda.

To pretend like everything is hunky-dory and isn't a problem is crass, ignorant and just sticking your head in the sand.

Did you see my posts earlier in the thread? Sections of the Islamic community openly practice vote rigging in elections in order to get their favoured candidates in, which more often than not are linked with I4UK and the like.

Again, no rebuttal of this. I find the silence on this very important facet of the discussion telling.


Yeah I belive Channel 4 did an investigative special into this in Tower Hamlets on the "Dispatches" Programme... Ironic really as that seems more fascist than anything, using legal means to gain power and then do whatever the hell you want with it when you're at the top. Also tremendously worrying as that is political gerry-mandering of an incredibly sinister nature.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Trublue
 


You got a link for that mate?

2nd line. (Eleventh word).


Yes here is a link to it

bnp.org.uk...


At the bottom of the page is the link to the actual document.

All of this is of course is what inspired the BNP to make this short and very funny video.



[edit on 3-5-2010 by Trublue]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ezappa
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Religion should be practiced in the home by law - it shouldnt be practiced in public place were ppl who are not religious should see it. i find churches and mosques offensive. what about the rights of ppl who dont believe, how come believers get more rights than non believers...

its a F***ing joke - all religion should be banned forever untill god shows his stupid face to prove us wrong.

[edit on 3/5/10 by Ezappa]


It's not practiced in public you philistine. Houses of Worship can be beautiful buildings and, although in ages past they were used to communicate the power and strength of the organization overseeing the worship (in Christianity's case, the Church as an entity, et c), they are now just rather beautiful buildings. I personally find Mosques to be amongst the most beautiful structures created by civilized man, if you look to those which are old and full of character in the East. There is absolutely nothing wrong with constructing a building in which to assemble and conduct your worship; it imposes no belief on anybody and does not give the faithful more rights than anyone else. On the contrary, I am genuinely of the belief that if you are a Christian in this country, you actually lose standing in the eyes of the law, people get away with any manner of insulting behavior which would case absolute outrage if it were directed at any other religion.

What people have a problem with is the cultural influence and inferences that may be drawn from the construction of Mosques. Plus, to be honest, the Mosques I have seen in this country are nowhere near as beautiful and ornate as their counterparts back in the Middle East, even the new builds.

Plus, some people may be resentful of the Muslim call to prayer which is sounded very early every morning (I used to live next door to a mosque... functioned as quite a good means for waking me up before school).

I don't understand why there is such a strict moratorium imposed on voicing any concerns... It truly baffles me. People who claim to be so entirely devoted to the cause of free speech and freedom of religion seem incredibly hostile towards those voicing an opinion with does not accord with their own views. Parralex seems to hate Christians and religion. Although for whatever reason, he declines to advocate the deconstruction of Mosques, only of churches...



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Well back in the day Enoch Powell went to the carribean to recruit workers for the dirty jobs that the English did not want to do.

When the money Crunch hit the consultants gravy train got derailed and I went to work in a factory paying minimum wage rathe than join the dole.

The education initiatives we now see came from Kenneth Baker who went to the British West Indies to see how to improve the quality of English education. The black country was ther engineering heart of britain and developed a high level of immigrant because only they wanted the boring and monotonous factory work. Again God gave the English some kind of divine reluctance to indulge in hard work be it dirty jobs, studying hard etc.

I get furious when after allof these years a hand full of morons babble on about hard working law abiding people like me who probably pay more tax than they do!



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
reply to post by Bunken Drum
 


1.1 million illegals
7.3 million legals (oh you forgot about them didn't you!)
3.2 million offspring
(that the Natioanl Office of Statistics know about....)

set to rise to at least double that by 2025

add that together and work out the percentage in the Uk population that is a huge chunk


1. Mostly eastern European.
2. Mostly Hindu or Christian black.
3. Totally legal citizens of the Uk.

I see from a later post you support the WW2 Nazi's because of their tech, so your views must be viewed through that lens.

I could be persuaded that immigration through marriage should be stopped and make the spouse go through the existing points procedure.


Recognizing that Nazi Germany had technology far in advance of most of the rest of the world doesn't make you a Racist or a White Supremacist... It merely makes you a good historian who can recognize an objective fact.

The jet engine, space travel, the list is endless really... The world would very likely have been several decades behind in technology were it not for the efforts of German engineers and researchers. Incredibly bizarre and repugnant though that will seem to people, that is quite genuinely the truth (well, about their inventions anyways... I can only really speculate on the effect their technology has had on the world)



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by Tiger5
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I get furious when after allof these years a hand full of morons babble on about hard working law abiding people like me who probably pay more tax than they do!


These morons have got a new target audience called muslims.Now that they know they can't pick on blacks as much they started to aim their turrets towards muslims after 9/11 even though they very well know the whole 'war on terror' is a money making scheme for Big coporations and organisations.

But hey, someone needs to get the blame, because these morons seem to think they are 'perfect'.

Laughable stuff though, I am glad the educated cream of this country don't have such narrow minds.But than they can't have such thinking in first place because they KNOW what's hapenning.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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You are all idiots, this is not a racial issue unluess you guys choose to make it so. Islam, Zionism, and Christianity are religions, not races.

Ignorance.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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I agree, and I don't want to see every immigrant (legal or not) forcibly repatriated. My point was if the support for the BNP etc. continues to grow and they (Heaven forbid) are elected then I would not be surprised if they tried to repatriate people BY FORCE. I really doubt that they'd even consider offering people 'financial incentives' to leave, simply because the BNP and their ilk are inclined towards more violent 'solutions'. What is needed is for one of the 'big' parties to wake up and deal with the problem by levelling the playing field and taking away the extra benefit incentives that lure so many to the UK's shores for starters. So many of these 'asylum seekers' (be they Muslim or otherwise) make their way across Europe, going through countries where they will not be persecuted, just to get to the land of milk and honey (state benefits).

The UK is a 'soft touch' and that is half the problem.

I don't blame people for wanting to come here when there is so much to gain, it's only natural that they'd want to, but those who come here should not be given preferential treatment. You'd think they'd appreciate all the extra help they are given over natural-born Brits, but it sure doesn't seem like it and that's something that angers people. Nor should they be allowed to spout their hateful anti-Western vitriol after we have helped them and their families. As far as I'm concerned if you come here and happily accept state handouts but then proceed to spout nonsense about changing the law to Sharia/whatever then you should expect to be asked to leave. If you come here to live then you should accept that our law is the law you have to live by. If you can do that then there will be no problem.

To quote an immigrant meerkat - "Simples"!



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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Well, probably not, unless they were causing outright protest and disruption which the officers felt they could not contain and which threatened their safety. Although, given the other chap's comments about the EDL giving up the protest peacefully, it does make you wonder (even if I can't ascertain the clarity or veracity of such statements).

Any such use of weapons, if disproportionate, would be an act of illegality and would very much be the epitome of the jackbooted enforcer of the government program of multiculturalism... God forbid one were to disagree with the decrees issuing from the Ministry of Truth.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Bed time now, got an early start.

For those of you who have major problems with immigrants should read my last post on P.16 and my other posts on P.17.

I will hopefully reply to all your posts tomorrow and thanks for making an effort to read my posts.

Freeborn i am hoping to get a reply from you too.

No hard feelings mate!



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posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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to be honest I'm siding with the EDL on this occasion... and the majority of local residents.

The council asked for approval of a "Super Mosque!" Not a mosque but a super mosque... Does Dudley have a Cathederal? I honestly dont know...

But the fact is that it got overturned and the Government stepped in... the Government dont give too sh!ts about Dudley they just want to create this lovey dovey multicultural sociaty and one of these days a lot of people are going to snap.

The fact is parrelax... the majority of people did not want a Super Mosque being built. If it was a Mosque, which I'm sure the Muslim minority already have in the area then I dont think there would be a problem but a Super Mosque? Do you really need something that big? Does Dudley need a Cathederal, bearing in mind that it's a Christian country...

The local residents feel betrayed, the local council has been overturned by the government, Democracy? Where is the Democracy in a vote that the majority decision lost?! So you can understand why people are angry and I bet the majority of those residents who voted against are not even racist... things like this just mount to the tension. It's unfortunate that the EDL and BNP will home in on this area but then ask yourself this... who else is going to listen to them? Labour? No... Conservatives? Dont make me laugh... Lib Dems? Living a fantasy... Those are the parties and organisations that unfortunately bring with it this element of racism but as I said... who else will listen to the majority of the concerns...

The more this happens, the closer we are to major unrest. If you think the police will be able to control that then I'm afraid to say they wont. Muslims might think they are hard but add a lot of football hooligans, angry residents, a lot of armed forces personel and lets say half of the police force as well as the majority of the populations support regardless of what the Press are saying... I would hope we never end up there as there will be a lot of dead innocent people on both sides and more so for muslims.

but then... you could just say that the uprising is against Al-Qui-*******-eda in the UK... which is one of the main made up reasons why were fighting in Afghanistan.

Listen, I've not said anything racist here so dont even try to play that card, I'm laying out some simple facts... People are angry that in a democracy which their families fought for they are being overturned to suit a minority... Therefor there is no Democracy...



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Tiger5
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Well back in the day Enoch Powell went to the carribean to recruit workers for the dirty jobs that the English did not want to do.


This is not true. Post WW2 industrial growth and increased manufacturing productivity in the UK first sought to employ women. British workers had progressed from agricultural and service industries into higher paid work within the manufacturing industries, creating worker shortages in the 'dirty' jobs that paid less. As manufactoring growth increased, numbers within the indigeneous workforce failed to keep up with production rates and the government sought to employ workers from the Commonwealth.



Again God gave the English some kind of divine reluctance to indulge in hard work be it dirty jobs, studying hard etc.


Western success and economic growth was built by the Protestant work ethic. It all started to go tits up when the marketing people got the hang of appealing to peoples greed. To single out the English is disingenous.


I get furious when after allof these years a hand full of morons babble on about hard working law abiding people like me who probably pay more tax than they do!


Tax is a bane of all of our lives. Governments take our toil and use it to propagate their policies. In the UK today, many are aware that this means the politics of appeasement. Most British people that I encounter, regardless of the color of their skin, are furious at the misuse of the wealth of the people. Be it to further feather the nests of the elite or the massive drain in the social welfare system by those who are exploiting our freedoms and rights.

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posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Chevalerous




I understand....all is sweet.

Seems like I am not the only one who wants to understand everything about Hitler's rise to power, the true extent of his control over the party and eventually his nation and the influence and impact other people had within his regime etc.

If we are to ensure it will never be repeated in the future we must undertand how it was able to happen in the past.


First of all wtf has this quote got to do with your reply?



I have been reading your posts for years and all you do is moan, winge, and concentrate your hate towards immigrants in UK.


Quite incorrect....maybe the only threads you see me comment on are one's about immigration and fundamental Islam.



Now let me explain, You know why we call UK 'Broken Britain'? Britain is broken because the native work force do not have any understanding of economics & love drink/drugs too much, they believe that they should have a yearly increase in wages as well as constantly improved working conditions & less actual work done, you can't keep a nation running on these lazy 'lack of work' ethics.


I have a more than rudimentary understanding of economics but am no way an expert.
I like a drink or two, why not, I enjoy it but never get aggressive in drink, a lesson I learnt a lot of years ago.
Drugs?
Take them or leave them, not that bothered but I do think UK drug laws are somewhat draconian and out dated.
I think it's also fair to say that the vast majority of Brits have never used illicit substances.
As for wages, I firmly believe that the wealth in this country should be more evenly distrubuted and that it should reflect the effort put in.
I work very, very hard for a living and feel I should be renumerated accordingly, what is wrong with that?
Should I just accept what is offered without complaint?
Bollocks to that!!

The vast majority of British people are very hard working and take a lot of pride in their work, regardless of position and 'social standing'.
It is an insult to millions to suggest anything other.

The Benefit system which was initially meant to be a crutch for the needy has become a lifestyle for some due to the serial inefficiencies of succesive governments and the influence of the PC Brigade.
It needs radical reform at every level.

I have never denied that a certain level of immigration is not just ok but is a necessity if any society is to continue growing and developing.
Asian and black immigrants have enhanced British society no end over the last 50 -60 years.
They are a welcome and integral part of modern day British society.

But I do resent the current open door policy and immigrants who enter my country and make no attempt whatsoever to contribute to this society.
And then on top of that have the nerve and the gall to criticise my country, insult the very basis of our society and attempt to change it into a replica of the back water hell hole they come from.
I, and millions like me will not allow this to happen.

As for the next part of your tirade?

Really?

If the UK is so unatractive and unappealing how come so many people want to come here?
Go to France, or Germany, or Holland, any#ingwhere really apart from this country they / you obviously so much despise?
There's an obvious hole in your theory there isn't there!!

As for young white kids not having any culture I totally agree.
But again that is more to do with successive governements not allowing any expression of British pride or identity and the ongoing process of dumbing down society to ensure adherence to policies without question.



You want us to integrate into British culture?
Well i tell you that British culture has nothing to offer the British themselves other than destruction & family breakdown, so what could it offer to culturally rich immigrants?


Fair play.
So stay where you are at and don't emmigrate here.
Pretty simple really!



You think that the BNP will do any good for Britain & British culture? Most of them can't even speak their own language properly, can't read or write properly, how the f*** they going to run a country?
I'll tell you how, they're going to run it into the ground..thats how.


You won't see me voting BNP, check some of my recent comments out, think I've made that pretty clear.



If your hard working ancestors were alive today, they wouldn't point their fingers at immigrants, they would point it directly at you. And don't even bring Christianity into it, because what did you do to save that church from going on sale, what did you do to bring your children up with Christian values? What did you do when the immigrants rolled a bulldozer onto your ancestors centuries old graves to build a mosque? What did you do to preserve those centuries old beautiful churches?


You won't here me bringing Christinanity into anything, I am openly agnostic and think organised religion is the bane of mankind.
However, I do recognise that Christianity has formed the basis for much of British law and customs etc.
I also believe that whilst still personally unattractive to me, Christianity generally, has progressed and is much more tolerant compared to what it once was yet Islam, especially the brand that is increasing in influence, has regressed.



The world has changed now though, Slobodan melosovic tried to perform a copy-cat hitler but failed and has made his people paid dearly by deviding his nation.Than we have the world Super power US with an ex-muslim black president whose nation is about to get bum rushed by the hispanics very soon.


What on earth has this got to do with immigration in the UK?



Happy voting numskull....sieg heil 14/88..& so on.


I ain't no numbskull and I ain't no Nazi and I havn't got a scooby what 14/88 means.

I don't know what post of mine you think warranted that tirade and personal attack but I shall take it as an ill concieved and poor attempt at stereotyping and was so full of innacuracies that it simply can't be taken seriously and did you no personal favours whatsoever.

But I do suggest that before your next personal attack on someone's integrity you at least do some research on that person and don't rely on some knee jerk reaction to an imagined insult or opinion.

Edit to correct some typo's, poor grammar and spelling mistakes etc because apparently I am a numbskull!
And more edits than The Bible!


[edit on 3/5/10 by Freeborn]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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This is not just about islam because it seem sto have rapidly involved culture and then racial stereotyping. The majority of Moslems are being besmirched and the majority of moslems are non white. People have assumed that I am a moslem which is not funny at all. Given the towering ignorance of geopolitics seen in the more vocal element in the UK to label me as a moslem or illegal immigrant of Yardie drug dealer is irritating which is fine as I then get irritated back.

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