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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
And the pope, whose an ex-nazi himself?


I agree with everything you have said except this line. There is nothing wrong being a Nazi if there is nothing wrong being a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu etc. All are same and equal.




posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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No. Cultures are only equal when they keep to themselves and do not intrude on the freedoms of others.

Nazis are eugenicist bastards which want to rid the world of every ethnicity but their "master race".

This all should go without saying, you can't really be this stupid.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Are you kidding me?!!! You think you can put Nazi's in the same league as Muslims or Christians etc?

I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise that is the most shocking thing I've heard on here. Are any religions like Christians, Muslims or Jews starting wars on a global scale like the Nazi's, rounding up people in the millions and gassing them?! (Ok so the whole Israel Palestine situation looks like it might be going that way but that's a different story!).

If you honestly can't see what's wrong with that statement you should do outside and end it now for the good of everyone else in the world.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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I dare you to look at pics of what happens to christians in Malaysia..... I hope you dont because they are the worst things I have ever seen, and i have seen some crap... It was Muslims carrying that out btw.....

Islam does not enrich this country... It does not make us progress but regress..

Us here in the west mids have seen the best and worst of immigration and religion.... We have got whole streets full of Balti resturants, Thai, Indian, Greek, Turkish, Jamaican and so on and we are well blessed.... But islam just turned up, put the walls up and expects everyone to submit.... A Sikh mate who served with me in the Army Hates islam.... He sees it as a threat to the British way of life....

He is right.....

The resistance to that has started in the heart of england... Here....



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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To carry out some plan it does not necessarily have to be out in open and straight forward as the Germans did, the religions are the new perfect disguises to carry the same stuff with a different cover. I find no difference between someone who is Nazi, Christian, Jew, Muslim etc.

Each of these said religions are causing terror in one part of the globe or other. No country should be based on religion as it's a first step to inequality.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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I agree with you on "Each of these said religions are causing terror in one part of the globe or other. No country should be based on religion as it's a first step to inequality".

This is pretty much one of the main reasons I am an atheist (well, that and the fact I don't believe in a god obviously!). I think more suffering and pain has come to people from all races and belief systems across the globe through religion than any other single reason.

The only religion I have any respect for id Buddhism. But anyway, I always get sucked into religious discussion on here more than anything else so I'll try and resist the urge to expand on it.

Also a few people have mentioned that Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts are Christian/Muslim conflicts. I personally don't see Christianity really having anything to do with it. The battle doesn't involve Christian beliefs, it's a war based on decisions from western governments, I don't see religion having anything to do with it from the UK's part. All the guys I know who are out there are not remotely religious. (RIP Jimbo).

But my basic point is that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs... whatever helps you get through your life. But you should have the decency to not try to force it on everyone else.

I see your reasoning behind what you said, but still think you're Nazi statement is taking it a bit far though! But hey you are entitled to your opinion just as I am!



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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You can play the christian card all you want but I aint christian. Im of the belief all religion should be done away with, as it is backward and a cancer on society. But like it or not, the national religion of England is christianity.

It was you who claimed christians allowed paedophiles, yet we know that your super best friend Muhammad slept with a child and some muslims still advocate it to this day.

Watch dispatches undercover mosque, you've probaly seen it in fact. You will see clerics openly talking of it being ok to sleep with prepubesent girls because Muhammad says its ok. But you wouldnt dare say it in public though, now would you?

The muslim religion is akin to a snake, one thing is said in public while another is preached behind closed doors.


Google is your friend by the way, do a little research and you will find lots of muslims advocating it, of that Im sure.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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No matter how many times that they [the believers] bow to Mecca it is not going to get them into Heaven. In the Bible it is recorded that Jesus said " Can a camel squeeze through the eye of a needle ? " My opinion is that the Islamic religion is certainly something that the true believers will reject. There needs to be respect for traditional British culture in the British Isles. There is the adage "When in Rome do as the Romans do". Thus when in the British Isles do as the British do. So many of these Muslim immigrant are dissident outlaw back in their country of origin. Wanted for criminal conduct. They come here and make absolutely no effort to be anything other than the same criminality as they were back home in their country of origin. If Islam is such a bundle of joy then why are they running away from it by coming to the British Isles. I suggest that these Muslims aught to be required to undergo a strict assimilation course. Where in they should be required to attend at Christian Catachism. Catholic or Protestant. It is simply normal to show respect for the traditional established order when emmigrating to a foreign country. Britain to them is a foreign culture that they cannot understand or appreciate unless we the British assist them to appreciate it. In all probability these Muslims immigrant are going to have problems. Real problems. There is a very strong desire in the majority of the hereditary British population that the Muslim immigrants be required to return to there countries of origin. If the government are truely representing the population who elected them then such laws will be enacted peacefully so that these literally millions of immigrant can be repatriated back to their hereditery country of origin. If allowed to remain in the British Isles then it will be no less than ten generations before their children will have become assimilated into traditional British culture. Christians and Buddhists are not allowed to build places of worship in Muslim countries, thus therefore why should Muslims be allowed to build their mosques ? I am a pantheist. A pagan and I am not interested in supporting the political extremism called Islam. Islam was always a bad thing. Now it is truely grown into something so bad that I believe God herself is going to get rid it. There will come a disease. A pestilence that will wipe it from the face of the world. They trust in violence to propagate their Islamic domination. They thus cannot speak that they have faith in God. Muslims make the same mistake as do the Jewish in that they like to believe that God is LORD and thus masculine. Islamic Sharia Law is essentially identical to the Jewish Torah [ten commandments]. As Christians we reject such apostacy. We need to be reminding ourselves as to why it is that our ancestors rejected conversion to both Judaism and Islam. Our Christan faith is what gave birth to our Socialist Democrasy and respect for Human Rights. The Jew and the Muslim show no respect for such Christian values. In deed are they not but savages ? Homeless beggers ? Thieves at the gate ? One very striking difference between Christian conduct and Muslim/Jewish conduct is in that Jesus taught us that praying in public is a sin. Muslims and the Jewish make a big show that they are praying at a public venue. Jesus taught that all praying should be done in private so much so that no one need even know that one is praying. These differences in culture are actually very interesting to study. In my pantheistic researches I learn all that there is to learn with regard to every religion and culture. As Christians we must not fear what might arise to frighten us into abandoning our Christian virtues. In the longer term I believe that ultimately these Muslim and Jewish immigrant will be converted by our patient adherence to our Christian virtues. Never give up. Never surrender. He who dares wins. Most people are afraid to even open their mouth yet alone dare to openly criticise the crimes of Islam and Zionism. This is why it is said that Islam is a reign of terror. The Zionist are also showing themselves to be simply a reign of terror. Such terrorism should not be tolerated. Praying in public is a act of [gangsterism] terrorism [intimidation] and should not be encouraged. Thus for such reason the building of mosques should be banned.

[edit on 4/5/2010 by CAELENIUM]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:51 AM
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I must admit that you are beginning to annoy me. You are simply flaming others with no evidence ... what makes you any better than the EDL who are flaming Muslims with little or no evidence?

You are just using harsh language such as racist to cause people to raise their hackles. Grow up.

I have looked around ATS at the EDL threads and like any organisation they have good and bad people. Some people genuinely want the best for England/UK and some are just thugs looking for an excuse to fight.

We are a democracy (allegedly) and if the people vote no, the government should heed that. It is a tough call because in our so called democracy Muslims also have the right to request a mosque, however, baring in mind that there is a large number of radical mosques in the UK building another one is leading people to think it is just more of the same.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:35 AM
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What a depressing thread. Barely a single post that looks at this issue objectively.

Surely it's conspiracy theory 101 that they want us to fight each other!? Massive facepalm here, 'divide and conquer' has become such a cliche that people ignore it.

I'm pretty sure it's too late to change anyones mind though. This has been brewing for decades everybody on every 'side' KNOWS they are right. What a crock




posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by CAELENIUM
No matter how many times that they [the believers] bow to Mecca it is not going to get them into Heaven. In the Bible it is recorded that Jesus said " Can a camel squeeze through the eye of a needle ? " My opinion is that the Islamic religion is certainly something that the true believers will reject.


Who are you to judge whose wrong or right?



There needs to be respect for traditional British culture in the British Isles. There is the adage "When in Rome do as the Romans do". Thus when in the British Isles do as the British do.


So what do the British 'do' that the immigrants need to 'do'?



So many of these Muslim immigrant are dissident outlaw back in their country of origin. Wanted for criminal conduct. They come here and make absolutely no effort to be anything other than the same criminality as they were back home in their country of origin.


Huh? Name me a few 'dissedents' than?, i think you have mistaken european and russian criminals with Muslims immigrants.



If Islam is such a bundle of joy then why are they running away from it by coming to the British Isles.


They are not running away from Islam, if they were than they wouldn't be building mosques and following their religion in the West.They are called economic migrants, the reason they leave their countries is because education and job prospects aren't good there.



I suggest that these Muslims aught to be required to undergo a strict assimilation course. Where in they should be required to attend at Christian Catachism. Catholic or Protestant. It is simply normal to show respect for the traditional established order when emmigrating to a foreign country. Britain to them is a foreign culture that they cannot understand or appreciate unless we the British assist them to appreciate it.


Every individual has their own choice as to what religion they want to follow.How can you force someone to attend church sessions when your own natives absalutely hate going there? Numerous churches are going on sale everyday because the funding they use to get is not there anymore and the attendance is near to ZERO.Even tea parties and playstation sessions have failed to attract the youth and you expect immigrants who are strong in their faiths to munch Barley bread from a priests hands every sunday and listen to ding dong every morning?

And also please explain what is the British culture of 2010 espicially for the immigrant youth that they should adapt?



In all probability these Muslims immigrant are going to have problems. Real problems.


As long as racists and islamophobes exist, there will always be problems.



There is a very strong desire in the majority of the hereditary British population that the Muslim immigrants be required to return to there countries of origin.


No, i wouldn't say majority.The majority just want the radicals OUT, not all muslims.



If the government are truely representing the population who elected them then such laws will be enacted peacefully so that these literally millions of immigrant can be repatriated back to their hereditery country of origin.


Not until BNP comes into power.



Christians and Buddhists are not allowed to build places of worship in Muslim countries, thus therefore why should Muslims be allowed to build their mosques ?


Which muslim country does not allow the building of churches and temples except Saudi?



I am a pantheist. A pagan and I am not interested in supporting the political extremism called Islam. Islam was always a bad thing. Now it is truely grown into something so bad that I believe God herself is going to get rid it. There will come a disease. A pestilence that will wipe it from the face of the world. They trust in violence to propagate their Islamic domination. They thus cannot speak that they have faith in God. Muslims make the same mistake as do the Jewish in that they like to believe that God is LORD and thus masculine. Islamic Sharia Law is essentially identical to the Jewish Torah [ten commandments]. As Christians we reject such apostacy. We need to be reminding ourselves as to why it is that our ancestors rejected conversion to both Judaism and Islam. Our Christan faith is what gave birth to our Socialist Democrasy and respect for Human Rights. The Jew and the Muslim show no respect for such Christian values. In deed are they not but savages ? Homeless beggers ? Thieves at the gate ? One very striking difference between Christian conduct and Muslim/Jewish conduct is in that Jesus taught us that praying in public is a sin. Muslims and the Jewish make a big show that they are praying at a public venue. Jesus taught that all praying should be done in private so much so that no one need even know that one is praying. These differences in culture are actually very interesting to study. In my pantheistic researches I learn all that there is to learn with regard to every religion and culture. As Christians we must not fear what might arise to frighten us into abandoning our Christian virtues. In the longer term I believe that ultimately these Muslim and Jewish immigrant will be converted by our patient adherence to our Christian virtues. Never give up. Never surrender. He who dares wins. Most people are afraid to even open their mouth yet alone dare to openly criticise the crimes of Islam and Zionism. This is why it is said that Islam is a reign of terror. The Zionist are also showing themselves to be simply a reign of terror. Such terrorism should not be tolerated. Praying in public is a act of [gangsterism] terrorism [intimidation] and should not be encouraged. Thus for such reason the building of mosques should be banned.


Seriously WTF are you on about there? I think paganism has got too much to your head. Learn to have some respect for other religions.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by Horus12
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It was you who claimed christians allowed paedophiles, yet we know that your super best friend Muhammad slept with a child and some muslims still advocate it to this day.


Where did i reject that the Prophet of Islam never had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl? He was 54 when he married her. Joseph married Mary when when he was 90 and when she was aged between 12-14.Who would be more of a bigger paedophile for you?



Watch dispatches undercover mosque, you've probaly seen it in fact. You will see clerics openly talking of it being ok to sleep with prepubesent girls because Muhammad says its ok. But you wouldnt dare say it in public though, now would you?


You again haven't provided me with any links or evidence.But lets just go according to what you say, those mosques showed in dispatches were wahabi/Saudi funded mosques and i follow the Sunni sect which doesn't tolerate this sort of behaviour in the mosque or out of the mosque.While we know Saudi/wahabis are the strickest of islamists, but they are on top of the West's lists of best freinds.



The muslim religion is akin to a snake, one thing is said in public while another is preached behind closed doors.


Coming from someone who gets all his info from google.



Google is your friend by the way, do a little research and you will find lots of muslims advocating it, of that Im sure.


There's also alot of literature out there that i rather consult than reading or watching biased opinions or bigots chatting crap.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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After reading your replies, there are few things that we can't come to agree with, but those are minor.When it comes to intergration or assimilation we have differing opinions.My opinion is that as long as an immigrant is a law abiding citizen and pays full taxes and contributes to a level that the country he's resding in requires than hes good to go.But you on the other hand believe that immigrants should do more to intergrate and should not bring their own culture into the new place they are residing in.My opinion in that if an immigrant feels more comfortable with his/her own culture than that's their choice.

-We agree that radicals islamists should not be tolerated in UK.
-We agree that the government should do more to tackle immigrant and non-immigrant benefit scroungers.
-We agree that the government should do more to tackle immigration, as Britain won't be able to handle over population in future.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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I would tend to agree with the assessment given in your last post apart from one thing.

I don't mind immigrants bringing their own culture with them as long as they don't try to impose their culture and religion upon me.

Hindu's and Sikh's are perfect examples of this happening within the UK and how natural integration has helped enhance our society.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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Just found this video from the EDL's protest in Aylesbury of all places, I wasn't aware of there being much in the way of immigration tensions in a quiet town like Aylesbury.

strong language included




posted on May, 5 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 07:48 AM
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If everything is so rosey in the muslim communities then why is nearly every country on your previous list a sh*thole. Is it coincidence that all islamic countries have terrible human rights abuse, draconian attitudes to women and are normally a dictatorship.
If you love Islam so much and think it is the solution to our terrible western work ethic and attitudes then why dont you go and live in Pakistan for example, is it because it is deeply flawed, poverty ridden, bursting with hatred ??? You are an prime example of what if fueling hatred of muslims in this country. Your arrogance and distain you show for the majority of this country makes me sick. Warn away if you want mods but I cannot remain silent on what I see to be a religious, arrogant troll who think he knows everything.


And before you play the BNP Card I am not going to vote for anyone as they are all guilty and have played a hand in what this country has become, a mess in which we are afraid to stand up to a bullying religion and have to pander to its wants and wishes. I am in the progress of moving to Japan, you can have the country mate, give it 50 years and hopefully you and your radical pals can have us to the Iraq level of Sunni and Shi`te
level of civil war.

Peace



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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"Where did i reject that the Prophet of Islam never had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl? He was 54 when he married her. Joseph married Mary when when he was 90 and when she was aged between 12-14.Who would be more of a bigger paedophile for you? "


Which is bigger? are you for real? You disturbing little man. You associated another religion with paedophiles, when yours is no different.


Hypocrisy at its finest.

As for the rest of your post, jada jada jada.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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Keeps getting better and better
Who is the bigger Paedo is that what it is boiling down to. In an ideal world both religions would be binned and we could try and live in harmony with no majority or minority calling the shots.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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Hindu's and Sikh's are perfect examples of this happening within the UK and how natural integration has helped enhance our society.


Where do you live or get your facts from? I'm in Wolves and I can say with confidence that there are more females of Hindu or Sikh extraction walking around in their cultural garments.

There are more Hindu or Sikh temples than Muslim, in wolverhampton.

More Hindu's and Sikh's commit crimes than Muslims, There are thriving drug/pimp/protection gangs that operate at a national level from both the Hindu and Sikh communities.

All of the minority communities contribute to the criminal element and all are dwarfed by the host communities efforts in that direction.



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