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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Apparantly the Mosque was scrapped however there is still obsfucation over that... So it looks like back to square one.... Yesterday was mad in Dudley town center.... There was lots of trouble.. I havent been up today so I dont know whether its still happening..




posted on May, 4 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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The best thing to do at this point is to begin deporting muslims. Send them to Mecca.

Otherwise, Islam will take over. Just as it has taken over Saudi Arabia, Persia, Egypt, Sudan, Maldives, Lebanon, Morocco, Byzantium, Eastern Europe, Western China, etc.

If you do not recognize and point out Jihad, it will kill you. The violence in Britain will escalate and continue. As long as Islam is present there will be jihad violence. It is a holy obligation to wage jihad until Islam ascends over all the planet.We will be told to accept the jihad killings as the price for having an open society. Sounds like jizzya to me. The jihad violence will decrease as the number of muslims is reduced.

Vlad the Impaler was hero. He understood the threat Islam posed to his subjects. Naturally his legacy has been sullied...by The House of Islam.

Islamic Jihad - the 1,400 year old conspiracy.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by merkava
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Thepreye
 




You seem to make it sound like the re-birth of hitler is inevitable.But the above sentence was my reply to your hitler post.


Pmsl.
You didn't even read the full thread before posting your reply did you?

If you had then you would have known that I and another member were discussing the origins of the NDSAP and the socialist influences from 1919 -1926 when Hitler gained full control of the party.

You've lost quite a bit of credability straight away!

And you had a quote of mine about Hitler at the beginning of your response and the paragraph about Milosevic was at the end of your response.

How the hell was anyone suspposed to know the latter was in response to the former?



If they were hard working, there wouldn't be any need for hundreds and thousands of immigrants to do the dirty low paid jobs coming into UK every year.Now immigrants who are the 3rd generations are working their way up and taking the top jobs.Most of the MP's standing for the local elections in my area are indians and pakistanis.


That's complete bollocks.

Unfortunately the mis-management and abuse of The Welfare State has contributed to an element of British society becoming reliant on benefits and indeed being what can only be described as 'work shy'.

However, the vast majority of Brits are proud, hard working people who just want a fair days pay for a fair day's work.

At the moment British people are being actively discriminated against when filling job vacancies.
We have poorly trained Italians and other nationals working on engineering sites around Britian at the expense of highly qualified local labour.
We have factories that will only employ Polish speaking people.

But what is even more annoying are immigrants coming here and claiming benefits and making no attempt whatsover to work yet still milking the system and at times getting more assistance than genuine cases.

I agree this is not all immigrants, but one is one too many!



Christianity will eventually cease to exist as it progresses towards secularism.Accepting paedophiles and gays just shows how fast christianity is progressing into the future.It has been corrupted for centuries according to the desires and whims of people following it.While Islam has remained the same as it was 1400 years ago.


Did you read what I posted about Christianity?

I really couldn't give a toss.
I am agnostic!

However, you refuse to comment on my point about Christianity progressing and Islam regressing and also you refuse to acknowledge that this country is essentially built on and governed by Christian values.

But that's hardly suprising.
You have deliberately cherry picked your responses choosing to ignore some very important points that I made.



I advise you to look at British way of life before WW2, than maybe you will realise what made Britain 'Great'.It use to be a nation that ruled the world without the need of immigrants, now without immigrants this country would collapse.


Because we had an Empire to fund it and a workforce who were on the the breadline and little better off than the poorest anywhere in the world.

We had fought two World Wars and the people who were lucky enough to have returned from those wars had had enough of the old order.
They demanded a better deal.



The immigrants you are talking about are the 2nd and 3rd generations here and understand the British way of life inside out i.e anjem choudary.The recent arrivals don't have time for those things because they are here to make BIG money.


Anjem Choudary is an evil piece of trash and it is the doing's of him and the likes that disgust and to an extent scare ordinary British people.



My parents came here as economic migrants,i am the 2nd generation so for me this is my country and that does not mean i have to sacrifice my own culture and religion to intergrate into something that has got nothing positive to add to my life.I am studying and once i start working i will pay taxes as any other 'hard working' British person.


My point is that so many immigrants, yourself included by the looks of things, come here and do nothing but whinge and moan and criticise this country.
If it is so crap how come so many people want to come here?

If I ever choose to emmigrate or work lengthy period in another country then I would immerse myself in that country and it's culture, whilst still retaining my English and Britishness.
I would treat that country with respect and work hard to better myself and contribute to the new society that had given me the opportunity.

That's all I ask in return.

Alas, the complete contempt and disgust that so many immigrants show this country and it's people then is it any wonder that there is a growing resentment to them.

I fail to see why the Muslims in Dudley wanted this super Mosque when it was already agreed that the sensible and compromise option was to re-develop the existing Mosque.
I suspect this only progresed as far as it did to provoke a reaction.

Your response was selective in topic and weak in arguement, I expected better!

Edit. Numerous typo's, poor spelling, bad grammar, fat fingers and a dodgy spacebar!

[edit on 4/5/10 by Freeborn]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by merkava
Originally posted by sotp
reply to post by Tiger5




EDL are not protesting against only 'radical islamists'.Their ultimate aim is to get rid of ALL muslims.over and out.



Just as Muslims HAVE to strive for the imposition of Sharia and have to get rid rid of ALL Kaffirs.


[edit on 4/5/10 by Freeborn]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Hey does anyone have a link to the tenacy agreements? The ones that were covered by the official secrets act?

thanks.............



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
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There are park areas around here where whites cant go.. There are even signs saying so... All these things add up and the people have had enough... Black country folk are not politically correct and wont stand for it...

Where is your proof that EDL are crims??? Hope you got your proof handy dude..

[edit on 2-5-2010 by Yissachar1]

[edit on 2-5-2010 by Yissachar1]


When you responded in my thread, your were a staunch Semetic Jew. Now your White? That's exactly what I was saying...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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I noticed you wrote:

"Christianity will eventually cease to exist as it progresses towards secularism. Accepting paedophiles and gays just shows how fast christianity is progressing into the future. It has been corrupted for centuries according to the desires and whims of people following it.While Islam has remained the same as it was 1400 years ago."


And when you replied to me, you conveniently skipped the part of my post referring to Muhammad marrying a 6 year old girl and having sex with her when she was 9.



There is also video evidence of muslim clerics in the UK openly saying it is ok to have relations with prepubescent girls because Muhammad said so.


I'd like to read your justifcation of that.



Pot, kettle, black.

[edit on 4-5-2010 by Horus12]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by dashar
what we are not allowed to build a church in muslim country , dam rite they dont allow it. you get thrown in jail for carrying a bible in some places .


...So let me get this straight, because another country may prevent the construction of the "wrong" place of worship or imprison someone for carrying the "wrong" religious book, you think that England should follow suit?

Is that really the type of country you want to live in?

..

[edit on 4-5-2010 by the_weirdness]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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reply to post by siahchi
 

I am a semitic jew, was born in England though.... Whats your point??



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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And you had a quote of mine about Hitler at the beginning of your response and the paragraph about Milosevic was at the end of your response.


My bad, i assumed something else regarding your hitler post.



You've lost quite a bit of credability straight away!


I have lost no credability.Everyone makes mistakes.



However, the vast majority of Brits are proud, hard working people who just want a fair days pay for a fair day's work.


Still not working hard enough though.Read my post on P.17 regarding those nations that didn't want any immigrants in their country.Even though they are well off their people work 14 hours a day like machines to make ends meet.They can afford cheap immigrant labour but have decided to utilize their own workforce to their maximum ability.



We have factories that will only employ Polish speaking people.


Factories and businesses employ cheap hard working labour who don't moan and complain about longer sick leave, longer breaks, longer holidays, special treatment.



But what is even more annoying are immigrants coming here and claiming benefits and making no attempt whatsover to work yet still milking the system and at times getting more assistance than genuine cases.


Those who are providing them with maximum benefits should be criticized.



However, you refuse to comment on my point about Christianity progressing and Islam regressing and also you refuse to acknowledge that this country is essentially built on and governed by Christian values.


Christianity is not progressing at all, it's just being manipulated to suit peoples desires.But if you call that progressing than that's a different case.And Islam is one of the fastest growing religion, something that regresses doesn't grow bigger.



You have deliberately cherry picked your responses choosing to ignore some very important points that I made.


I have answered most of your points, but if you feel that i missed some deliberately than let me know in your next post.



We had fought two World Wars and the people who were lucky enough to have returned from those wars had had enough of the old order.
They demanded a better deal.


The 'better' deal hasn't exactly turned out to be better now has it?



My point is that so many immigrants, yourself included by the looks of things, come here and do nothing but whinge and moan and criticise this country.


I didn't come here, i was born here.And i don't moan and whinge, i have studied hard and will hopefully work hard and pay my taxes until i retire.What more contribution are you expecting?



If it is so crap how come so many people want to come here?


Has it ever occured to you that majority of the immigrants didn't come to UK to intergrate and enjoy British weather? They are called 'economic migrants', meaning good £££££ money.If they were paid good in their own countries, they wouldn't even s*** on UK.



I would treat that country with respect and work hard to better myself and contribute to the new society that had given me the opportunity.


What do i have to do more to contribute more towards British society? Cut my head off and serve it on a plate for them? I live peacefully with all my white neighbours, I have never broken any law, i don't even have One point on my driving license.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Horus12
reply to post by merkava
 

And when you replied to me, you conveniently skipped the part of my post referring to Muhammad marrying a 6 year old girl and having sex with her when she was 9.


We are talking about something that took place 1400 years ago.It was a norm of that society during that time.Do you actually have any knowledge of how people lived in those times?

Why don't you criticize christians of their doings?


Mary and Joseph
The most famous marriage in Christianity is no doubt that of Mary, Jesus’ mother, with Joseph. While the following details are not in the canonical Gospels in the Bible, it appears from other early Christian writings (known as apocryphal writings) that Mary was twelve years old when the temple elders decided to find a husband for her. They selected the husband by drawing lots, and Joseph whom they chose was an elderly man, being according to some accounts ninety years old. The husband was selected and Mary was handed over to him, and she played no part in his selection.

These accounts are summed up in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition, which is available online, as follows:

“It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph’s marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children … A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph …” [13] (Bolding is mine.)

Although these apocryphal accounts are not now accepted by many Christians, and the Catholic Encyclopedia says that they “are void of authority”, yet it also speaks of their influence as follows:

“they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of the Lord’s brothers; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.”

However, these accounts are accepted by the Eastern churches. The website of the Ukrainian Orthodoxy has an article on this subject entitled An Elderly Joseph which agrees with the presentation in the apocryphal writings “of Joseph as an elderly man, a widower with adult children”. It concludes:

“The Christian East’s picture of Joseph as a courageous, faithful, God-centred elderly widower rings true.” [14]

We give below, as Appendix, a quotation from one of these apocryphal books, The Infancy Gospel of James, describing how Mary’s husband was selected.

While the Western Christian churches may not accept these accounts as authentic, the Eastern churches in Europe do accept that Mary was 12 years old and Joseph a widower 90 years old when they married. Moreover, there is nothing in the Gospels of the New Testament to contradict these accounts, and the Gospel stories are not at all inconsistent with these ages for Mary and Joseph.


Source



There is also video evidence of muslim clerics in the UK openly saying it is ok to have relations with prepubescent girls because Muhammad said so.


Give me the links to the 'video evidence' of UK muslim clerics openly saying its ok to marry 6 year old girls? And also let me know what sect they are form?



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Mary was around 16. You're trying to defend someone banging a 9 year girl makes you an idiot. I've been on Islamic Yahoo groups where middle aged Muslim men say it's ok. Go do the research yourself fool.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker8300
reply to post by merkava
 


Mary was around 16. You're trying to defend someone banging a 9 year girl makes you an idiot. I've been on Islamic Yahoo groups where middle aged Muslim men say it's ok. Go do the research yourself fool.


Mary was 12 not 16, so get your bloody facts right.I am defending someone with the followers who make 1/3 of world's population today and was the most influential man this planet has ever seen with his religion growing faster than what you can ever imagine.

And also don't forget how christian priests are preying on little kids to this very day and more is being revealed about what they get upto behind the scenes.I wonder what the christian scholars have to say about this than chatting BS on news channels about 'lords forgiveness'.

And the pope, whose an ex-nazi himself?

Now take that you fool and defend it if you can, which i very much doubt because your next reply i assume is already going to be 'i am an innocent athiest'.

Typical jokers!
Moulding things according to what suits them.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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I remember watching the video of a poor American called Nick Berg in 2004.

He had his hands tied, he was wearing an orange jump suit.

He had his head sawed off with what looked like a bread knife by masked, murduring cowards shouting..... allahu akbar. As his head was severed, they held it up to the camera. It was the most single sickening thing I ever saw, and I am an ex soldier of many years service.

The Murderers were Muslims. This is the true face of Islam.

God Bless the few English people with the insight and courage to see what is happening there.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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yeah good on em
I'm from Birmingham myself, I have no problem with muslims or anyone of other faiths or backgrounds. However... when one group of people move in to an area and basically take over from the people who have been living there for years then I have a real problem!

I drop my indian mate of on the way back from work in an area of birmingham that is rough as hell. You literally get looked at for being the only white person in the area. There's also an area 5 minutes up the road from me (sparkhill/balsall heath) where I've seen groups of indian lads having a go and throwing things at a white lad who was waiting at the buss stop not saying or doing anything to anyone. In this same area my ex got loads of sh*t from old somalian and indian guys as she was pretty much the only young white girl around there.

When our own councils are too gutless to stand up for the opinions of the majority of their people for fear of being classed racist then it's time we took things into our own hands!

Please don't take this as an attack on any particular group of individuals, there can be w*ankers from all backgrounds, all colours and all religions (or in my case - no religion). But no local population should have to bow down to that of other people coming into the area.

When I went to Egypt and was in strongly religious areas, I respected their viewpoint and customs. After all I went into THEIR land and acted accordingly. If only it worked the other way round we'd all be better off.

Immigration problems NEED to be sorted out ASAP in this country. people coming into a country need to live by the ways of that country, if you go in and want to change the place to your way of thinking then there's going to war. Simple as that.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
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My bad, i assumed something else regarding your hitler post.


No problem....lesson to all of us about the danger of assumptions, something we all do occassionally.



I have lost no credability.Everyone makes mistakes.


Too true.
Some more than others.
As long as they are honest mistakes and we try to learn from them then no harm done.



Still not working hard enough though.Read my post on P.17 regarding those nations that didn't want any immigrants in their country.Even though they are well off their people work 14 hours a day like machines to make ends meet.They can afford cheap immigrant labour but have decided to utilize their own workforce to their maximum ability.


Britsh workers are amongst the most productive and skilful in the world.

The thing is we refuse to go back to the days when we worked 50 -60 hours a week just to get a subsistence level wages which allowed people to merely exist and have no quality of life at all.

One of the biggest problems is that whilst the overall standard of living had improved in the UK the gap between the have's and have not's has continued to get bigger.
Doesn't take a genius to work out how.

If you, or anyone else for that matter wants to work for a bowl of rice a day you are more than welcome to, we refuse to do so anymore!



Factories and businesses employ cheap hard working labour who don't moan and complain about longer sick leave, longer breaks, longer holidays, special treatment.


And thus the boss get's richer off you.

I ain't no bleeding heat liberal or socialist etc but who can fault the sentiments expressed here?




Those who are providing them with maximum benefits should be criticized.


I agree.
Didn't you read where I pointed the finger of blame at successive governments?



Christianity is not progressing at all, it's just being manipulated to suit peoples desires.But if you call that progressing than that's a different case.And Islam is one of the fastest growing religion, something that regresses doesn't grow bigger.


Christianity is far more tolerant and open to new ideas etc...it is trying to grow along side society.
Unfortunately a lot of people no longer buy into the 'your reward is after you die' sales pitch.



I have answered most of your points, but if you feel that i missed some deliberately than let me know in your next post.


Some, not all...go back and look.



The 'better' deal hasn't exactly turned out to be better now has it?


So you advocate going back to the days before the wars?
You are quite the reactionary aren't you.



I didn't come here, i was born here.And i don't moan and whinge, i have studied hard and will hopefully work hard and pay my taxes until i retire.What more contribution are you expecting?


Told you and everyone else on numerous occassions, I have no problem with immigrants who contribute to society.
I DO have a problem with immigrants who don't contribute and actively seek to change my country into something it isn't against the wishes of the citizens of this country.
And Muslim extremists fit into this category.



Has it ever occured to you that majority of the immigrants didn't come to UK to intergrate and enjoy British weather? They are called 'economic migrants', meaning good £££££ money.If they were paid good in their own countries, they wouldn't even s*** on UK.


So why don't they show a little bit of appreciation and respect for the very society that is allowing them to do this instead of actively seeking to change that society into a replica of the tinpot #hole they have come from which couldn't provide for them in the first place.

Hypocrites is the politest term I can come up with to describe them.



What do i have to do more to contribute more towards British society? Cut my head off and serve it on a plate for them? I live peacefully with all my white neighbours, I have never broken any law, i don't even have One point on my driving license.


Why do you think I have anything against you personally...I have made my feelings pretty clear.
What part of it are you having difficulties in understanding?


To summarise;

I dislike immigrants who come into my country, refuse to integrate or contribute to this country.
Then they have the temerity to tell me what is wrong with my country and what they are going to do to change my country and deny me my freeborn rights so that they completely change my country where a brutal, repressive and all encompassing religion dictates every aspect of my life.

We also have the crazy situation where apologists and do-gooders are doing everything possible to accomodate these people, sometimes at the expense of my countrymen.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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Anyone who is using the Bible as evidence of a person's age really doesn't expect to be taken serious do they?

Methuselah, Noah and lots of others allegedly lived till they were about 1000years old.
The world is only so many thousand years old.
etc, etc.

Not a reliable source methinks.

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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Anyone who is using the Bible as evidence of a person's age really doesn't expect to be taken serious do they?

Methuselah, Noah and lots of others allegedly lived till they were about 1000years old.
The world is only so many thousand years old.
etc, etc.

Not a reliable source methinks.

[edit on 4/5/10 by Freeborn]


Well said
But you're forgetting of course that faith conquers all... including any sense of logic, reasonable thinking, common sense or any scientific (devil) fact



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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Just thinking about the whole thing my point of view is all religious buildings should be banned from hereon in UK be jt Church, Synagogue, Mosque, Temple etc. No new religious buildings should be approved as all religions are adding to this problem in different parts of the globe like:
* Muslim - US, UK
* Christian - Iraq, Afghanistan
* Jew - Palestine, Iran
etc etc.

So it actually makes sense to ban all these religions which are inducing terror completely from practicing and building new buildings within UK. For every action has a reaction and every reaction has a effect.

If US wouldn't have built bases in middle east countries and woudn't supported illegal takeover of Palestine by Jews 9/11 wouldn't have happened. If 9/11 wouldn't have happened USA wouldn't have waged a war on Afghanistan and illegal war on Iraq. If US wouldn't had waged that war UK wouldn't had supported it. If the wars had not occurred there wouldn't have been rise in terrorism and influx of immigrations. It's all linked to one another in a way. To truly end it ban all religions simply.


Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by Raider of Truth
 

Why does everywhere I go to live look like Gaza? lol


Atleast it didn't look like Auschwitz lol oh but wait Gaza does look like Auschwitz.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by AndyHodges210
I remember watching the video of a poor American called Nick Berg in 2004.

He had his hands tied, he was wearing an orange jump suit.

He had his head sawed off with what looked like a bread knife by masked, murduring cowards shouting..... allahu akbar. As his head was severed, they held it up to the camera. It was the most single sickening thing I ever saw, and I am an ex soldier of many years service.

The Murderers were Muslims. This is the true face of Islam.

God Bless the few English people with the insight and courage to see what is happening there.


Congratulations. You have just managed to tar approx. 25% of the World's population with the grotesque brush of ultra extremism (and something most Muslims would be appalled and distanced by).

Subsequently, you completely and deliberetly ignore the atrocticies of the West on many millions of Muslims with the (IMO) subconsciously accepted belief that it is justified because 'we do it'.

So, when they do it it's called terrorism and extermism, when we do it it's called counter-terrorism and heroism! That's your argument as I see it.

There really is an iron curtain around the West, and it is a veil of truth that does not dare to find us.




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