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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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There is a bad element in every society the main issue is the Hindus do not want you go join their religion, or change the name of our holidays as it insults them. I know a lot of people from the large Indian community in Glasgow and have never had a problem of witnessed those sort of activities.




posted on May, 5 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by On the level
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There is a bad element in every society the main issue is the Hindus do not want you go join their religion, or change the name of our holidays as it insults them. I know a lot of people from the large Indian community in Glasgow and have never had a problem of witnessed those sort of activities.


Hue Chinese population in Liverpool. Never seen one tiny bit of bother with any of them. In fact it adds flavour to an already brilliant city.

Not one of those chinese people have ever complained about Christmas, our holidays or our culture.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Horus12
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Which is bigger? are you for real? You disturbing little man. You associated another religion with paedophiles, when yours is no different.


I really hoped that you understood what i tried telling you in my previous posts.But each time you came out with uneducated garbage.Now i think it's time to nail this issue down for good.I ain't playing the christianity card to make Islam look better, but it's people like you who criticize Islam and than tell us how Christianity has enlightened the world, than when i come up wth the 'Good Deeds' of christians you people pretend to be athiests and make yourself look all innocent.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Why Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Married Young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.)?

Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah. Currently, one of the 'reinvented' accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.).

Let's probe some of the orientalists' charges in detail in the light of modern research, historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Qur'an and the Sunnah to separate truth from falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an exemplary for all of mankind.

Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha (r.a.) at her young age.

A. He was a Paedophile.

B. He was involved in child abuse.

Let's analyse each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).

A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a.) because he was a paedophile?
Definition of a Paedophile:
"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998.

"pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

The diagnostic criteria for paedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.
The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.

DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rev ed. 3, (American Psychiatric Association).

"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).

Harold I. Kaplan et al., Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. (Williams and Wilkens, 1988), p. 360.

Does the prophet fit the above criteria of a paedophile?
With the above criteria of a paedophile in mind, lets analyse the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

His marriages:

Name of Bride
Bride's age at marriage
Comments

Khadija bint khawilad
40
Twice widowed before

Sauda Bint Zama
50
Widow

Aisha bint Abu Bakr
9
Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.

Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab
22
Widow

Zainab bint Khuzaima
30
?

Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia
26
Widow

Zainab Bint Jahash
38
Widow

Juwaeria Bint Harith
20
Widow

Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan
36
Widow

Marya Qibtiya bint Shamun
17
Virgin, Egyptian

Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab
17
Widow

Raihana bint umru bin hanafa
?
?

Maimuna bint harith
36
widow


Source: Syed Abu Zafar Zain, The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband (Lahore: Kazi Publications), pp. 10-12.

Statistics from the above table:
Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comments: The statistics show that the prophet's marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore "a paedophile's main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls", which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet's marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marya).

Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in Synopsis of Psychiatry, a vast majority of paedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behaviour (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad (Madras, 1932), p. 4.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age

Let scrutinise this allegation...

Definition of Child Abuse:
Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behaviour are common following instances of child abuse or neglect. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998

Comments: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha (r.a.) or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences...delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behaviour...etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha (r.a.), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet's marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labelled not as an abused child but as a 'blessed child'.

After analysing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:

C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity
Lets analyse...

1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.

c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, Hadith 2.75.

Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient [than Aisha (r.a.)] in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.


The life of Aisha (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today's youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her's live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise...Ameen.

Conclusion
It was the aforementioned qualities of Aisha (r.a.) and the Prophet's guidance in moulding these capabilities for the service of Islam, were the main reasons, why the Prophet Married young Aisha (r.a.), and not the perverted reasons brought forth by misguided orientalists.

Muslims invite all sincere humans to study the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) in the light of the authentic sources of the Qur'an and the Sunnah (exemplary sayings and deeds of the Prophet) and judge for themselves where the truth lies. Indeed, by recognising the truth of Islam as the final and complete Guidance sent by our Creator can humanity find lasting peace in this world and a means of salvation from the hell fire in the hereafter.

"I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, vol. 1, no. 81936.

Though, the Prophet is not among us in his flesh, but his exemplary life has been preserved for all humanity to follow.





posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by On the level
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If everything is so rosey in the muslim communities then why is nearly every country on your previous list a sh*thole.


Where the hell did i say 'everything is rosey in muslim communities'? If it was rosey i wouldn't be sitting in UK right now.



Is it coincidence that all islamic countries have terrible human rights abuse, draconian attitudes to women and are normally a dictatorship.


Poverty and corruption is not exclusive to Islamic countries only.Majority of African countries, eastern europeans are wayy corrupted than the muslim countries i stated and they are under the flag of christianity.It's not actually the peoples fault, it's the corrupt leaders of those countries that that are making things worse for their poeple.



If you love Islam so much and think it is the solution to our terrible western work ethic and attitudes


Please tell me, where did i say that? Go back to P.17 and read my bloody post again.



You are an prime example of what if fueling hatred of muslims in this country. Your arrogance and distain you show for the majority of this country makes me sick.


I think you had nothing better to say, so decided to post bullcrap.Where have I posted anything against the British people except where i said they ain't working hard enough?



I am in the progress of moving to Japan, you can have the country mate, give it 50 years and hopefully you and your radical pals can have us to the Iraq level of Sunni and Shi`te
level of civil war.


I never left my culture and religion even though i was born in this country.And you're gona be a coward ditching your own homeland because a few radicals scare the crap out of you?

Grow some F***in balls!



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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please educate yourself. The British murdered people all over the world, look up the Jallianwala Bagh massacre and yet people from the colonies still loved this country (my dad was one of them) the actions of a few do not define a whole population but that's kind of irrelevant. I'm half Indian, half white and don't have a religion I find it both sad and funny watching extremist muslims and idiots like the EDL blame everything on each other. The real enemy is ignorance and unfortunately there's plenty of it even on a site like this where I hoped people would be able to look past such nonsense.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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Well i can see the real ignorance is how some ATS members support Islam and its radical agenda.

What Happened in the past it happened, that's a fact you cant change the past but try prevent the future from happening.


I also agree that there way to many mosques in Europe,i dont want Europe to be turned into a Islamic worshiping nonsense.

If you dont want follow any eupoean cultures or heritage or even customs please PACK YOUR bags and leave, Stop building your mosques as in they are already to many.


In Fact Why did you come in Eupore in the first place? if you dont like it i will say this once more then please leave.


If you want to pray, pray it in your homes, i dont have a problem with that.



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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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I'd like to point out an issue that some members have been discussing awhile back; Muslim integration.

We may all say that they are "taking over" by force our communities, but maybe we are the ones being hostile? If we welcome them with open arms, do you think they'd need Muslim-exclusive parks or housing areas? I think xenophobia is something we all inherently possess; we are just not used to people wearing scarves and all walking around your block or hearing a morning call to prayer from a Mosque.

On the other hand, I live in a multicultural community, with Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims. Out of the 4, they struggle the most co-mingling with people of different backgrounds, for some apparently unknown reason.

Enlighten me?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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I’m not a coward pal and would love to come toe to toe with you I am 6"4 and 17 stone and never shy away from anybody that runs their mouth. I am leaving the UK as it is a cesspit of people that don’t want to work, breeders, minorities that can do as they please, PC gone mad and I no longer wish to pay £1500+ tax every month to contribute to it. I am always vocal when I am out and do not sit behind a keyboard acting like a big man. If you read over your posts, which I have it is clear you don’t care about integration or the history of the country, you can’t see anything good in our culture, you basically think we are wrong and you are right. I would say more but the mods and owners of this site have defined rules on what can and cannot be said so I will leave you with this.

I do not care about any religion, all other religions do not even come up in conversation in my normal life, and why is it Islam is spoken about in a derogatory manner every day. Why is it everyone I meet disgusted by it in one way or another? Why are educated people voting BNP because of it ??? It must just be us, we all must be wrong.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by btyoung21
I'd like to point out an issue that some members have been discussing awhile back; Muslim integration.

We may all say that they are "taking over" by force our communities, but maybe we are the ones being hostile? If we welcome them with open arms, do you think they'd need Muslim-exclusive parks or housing areas? I think xenophobia is something we all inherently possess; we are just not used to people wearing scarves and all walking around your block or hearing a morning call to prayer from a Mosque.

On the other hand, I live in a multicultural community, with Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims. Out of the 4, they struggle the most co-mingling with people of different backgrounds, for some apparently unknown reason.

Enlighten me?


This is why I dislike the EDL so much, all they are doing is provoking muslims and cant make the seperation between Muslim extremists and moderate Muslims. The EDL may have genuine concerns about militant Islam, but their actions will only increase the alienation of muslim youth.

If I was a Muslim living in this country, I would feel that even though i may be born here, the locals dont want me here, which would inturn push me to cling on the cultural things I can identify with. Your bound to identify with other young Muslims and feel angry at the way your community is being vilified.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 05:10 AM
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What part of this don't people get?

It is the MUSLIMS themselves that choose to remain seperate from us and want their own areas etc, we are not ostracising them...they do it themselves as they think we are inferior to them.

I understand that is a gross generalisation...but according to The Koran that is correct.

And this from a 'moderate' Muslim website.

"Therefore the only measure of integration of Muslims into wider society is the extent to which distinct Muslim practice is accepted by the latter"

In other words we, non-Muslims, must have to adopt their lifestyle etc if we are to integrate.

guide.muslimsinbritain.org...

But, as usual, this get's twisted around so that it looks like the Non-Muslims fault.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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Sure you have seen these before mate, but have a look at the photo's here, www.snopes.com... , just who is provoking who?

They all boil my piss, but the 'Freedom Go To Hell' placard really get's me wound up.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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I’m not a coward pal and would love to come toe to toe with you I am 6"4 and 17 stone and never shy away from anybody that runs their mouth.


Maybe you should do something about that weight of yours first.



I am leaving the UK as it is a cesspit of people that don’t want to work, breeders, minorities that can do as they please, PC gone mad and I no longer wish to pay £1500+ tax every month to contribute to it.


So instead of sorting out the problems your're gona do a runner Mr tough Man? Or the truth is you are sick of getting taxed to the hilt so you're gona go somehwere where its not as taxing?



If you read over your posts, which I have it is clear you don’t care about integration or the history of the country, you can’t see anything good in our culture, you basically think we are wrong and you are right.


We are economic migrants, how many f***in times do i have to tell you that? Not here to intergrate into the British 2010 amazing culture or to enjoy the beautiful stunning weather.You created your own broken society, you want us all to intergrate and be broke too?



and why is it Islam is spoken about in a derogatory manner every day. Why is it everyone I meet disgusted by it in one way or another? Why are educated people voting BNP because of it ??? It must just be us, we all must be wrong.



Because Islam is the most spoken about in the mass media due to all the illegal wars and terrorism? Did you hear as much about Islam in a 'deragatory manner' before 9/11? I doubt it very much!

And i doubt educated people would want to vote in un-educated racist pigs to run this country.

And this is why BNP will never come into power because they are worse than those they criticize.



The event took place yesterday,BNP trying to instigate fights.

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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Sure you have seen these before mate, but have a look at the photo's here, www.snopes.com... , just who is provoking who?

They all boil my piss, but the 'Freedom Go To Hell' placard really get's me wound up.


yeah because these nutjobs are about as representative of the muslim community as far right groups are to the rest of decient society. Surely you know better than that freeborn.

It's not like those photo's arn't rolled out every time with the intention of getting your piss to boil. I mean you watch enough of those video's and you will end up hating all Muslims. How many video's do you see of moderate muslims, you know the ones working in our hospitals and care homes, just trying to make a living like you or I. No, instead we are presented with a daily dose of militant Islam video's from people paranoid they will be forced to live under Sharia law for the rest of their days.

I imagine in the UK there are more Muslims getting drunk at the weekend rather than calling for Sharia Law.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by btyoung21
I'd like to point out an issue that some members have been discussing awhile back; Muslim integration.

We may all say that they are "taking over" by force our communities, but maybe we are the ones being hostile? If we welcome them with open arms, do you think they'd need Muslim-exclusive parks or housing areas? I think xenophobia is something we all inherently possess; we are just not used to people wearing scarves and all walking around your block or hearing a morning call to prayer from a Mosque.

It is tough to be warm and open to new people when they choose to hold onto their old culture and traditions from where they came. (This goes for anyone emigrating from one culture to another that is vastly different to their native one).


On the other hand, I live in a multicultural community, with Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims. Out of the 4, they struggle the most co-mingling with people of different backgrounds, for some apparently unknown reason.

This is the problem I think many people are failing to grasp. It is the Extremists of any religion that are the problem for those around them. The number of Extremist Muslims in the UK has grown to a number that is now worrying. These are the people that do present a danger to the way of UK life because they do not have an interest in being apart of the country's civilisation. Their goal is to turn the country into an Islamic Theocracy - they openly state this at the rallies they have. They preach to youths at Mosques and Islamic schools that the UK would be a better country if it were under Sharia Law.

Do you think citizens of Iran would be welcome and receptive to Christians that came there and held rallies calling for Iran to change into a Liberal Democracy? How about if Churches in Iran had Priests saying things like "the pinnacle of Christianity is to kill abortion doctors!" If the number of people that held these views and acted in this manner started to disrupt the daily lives of Iranian citizens, would they just accept it and move on?

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

I imagine in the UK there are more Muslims getting drunk at the weekend rather than calling for Sharia Law.



But those getting drunk are not considered Muslims by practising Muslims.

And even then, the drunk Moslems still refuse to speak out and take action against the extremists and as such are complicit to their actions.

I have yet to see one of the so called moderate majority protesting against the acts and deeds of the extremists!
They are conspicuous by their silence and lack of action and that is seen as acquiescence by many.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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I dont want to get into anymore of an argument with you as I am wasting my breath and do not want to get banned as actually enjoy the majority of the site. As for the weight when you are a prop forward you need to be bulky but I can assure you it is mostly muscle, apart from some of the belly that is from my decadent western habit of socialising and drinking with my friends and missus. When you say we need migrant labor you miss the point that the majority of the talented population are choosing to move abroad where we do not need to pay for wasters and layabouts. Your comment on the tax speaks volumes and I take from that you either do not pay tax, probably hating us but loving the benefit system. You would never admit it but only thoses that pay 45% tax know where I am coming from. Have a great life and enjoy the kick arguing with people on the internet gives you mr trollkava as it is obviously your only source of enjoyment in what seems to be a dogma filled existence.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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P.s Islam was slammed in Glasgow years before 9/11 Due to the Muslim attitudes to our women, property deals and general fraud that they commited, wherever a Mosque was built Muslims moved in and drove down the house value and bought up the surrounding property, my firend had a flat close to a Mosque and they parked inside the close of the flats, blocking entry. As such they became and still are the most hated community in Glasgow.


PP.s Perhaps it was the Asian fellow that spat on the candidates face that incited the fight ???? No, are you really this stupid


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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Indeed. I watched the video just now and it would seem that it was they who were being aggressive and incited the violence and got what they asked for.

It's also telling that although an"18 year old man" (the youngest asian guy I presume) has made a complaint of common assault but no arrests have been made, despite there being very public video evidence.

BBC article


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