Religion is slavery, and god is obsolete.

I doubt posting random quotes from the bible answers much of what those people have said

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You clearly don't understand the destructive nature of sex, thats why your views do not agree with mine. let me enlighten you: this whole matrix has been built around sin, and the rejection of jesus. Just have a look at the world for a moment and tell me what do you see ? A rejection of jesus thats what i see. We've imbraced evil as a part of our lives and now many people are suffering because of it. When i look at tv all i see is sex. I could say names but then i'll probably end up listing every artist. And porn has made this world evil, corrupt and untrue. How you cannot see this is beyond me. And thanks for answering those questions i knew you would.

Yes I am married, very happily with a new bub on the way, and im sorry you think you live in a dirty world, How has porn made the world evil??. Im not a porn fan, but hey sometimes its usefull. If you really think that sex and the rejection of a 2000 year old dead guy is the cause of all the suffering in the world then your a moron, if more people were having safe, educated sex and moved away from an outdated destructive mindset of fundementalist religion the world would be a better place. Sex is an expression, individual expression is the only thing that makes us human and not drones, sitting in a cold church being told your a sinner and that sex is dirty is mind control, you are a drone.

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was this you?????

Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

www.telegraph.co.uk...

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As a matter of fact, we can not be sure of his original teachings. I am under the impression that he actually taught that we could each become God through use of the journey to enlightenment, as in Luciferian doctrine, which is why it was considered blasphemous.
Luciferian doctrine does not connect to most people's definition of the "evil" Lucifer. Lucifer was never connected to the Devil as the Bible reports, he was indeed a "bringer of light" (Knowledge). These doctrines only suggest that human beings all had the potential to become God.

Which is another reason religion does not sit well with me. Over time, people can be told anything about what they should believe...

"The Devil will tell 1000 truths to lead you into 1 lie."

That statement would lead people to believe that the lie is our ability to become God. But in actuality, this is perpetuated by the religious lies preached to contain us.

"I Jesus ... am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."- Revelations

Lucifer. Case in point.

Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

 

You clearly don't understand the destructive nature of sex, thats why your views do not agree with mine. let me enlighten you: this whole matrix has been built around sin, and the rejection of jesus. Just have a look at the world for a moment and tell me what do you see ? A rejection of jesus thats what i see. We've imbraced evil as a part of our lives and now many people are suffering because of it. When i look at tv all i see is sex. I could say names but then i'll probably end up listing every artist. And porn has made this world evil, corrupt and untrue. How you cannot see this is beyond me. And thanks for answering those questions i knew you would.

Yes I am married, very happily with a new bub on the way, and im sorry you think you live in a dirty world, How has porn made the world evil??. Im not a porn fan, but hey sometimes its usefull. If you really think that sex and the rejection of a 2000 year old dead guy is the cause of all the suffering in the world then your a moron, if more people were having safe, educated sex and moved away from an outdated destructive mindset of fundementalist religion the world would be a better place. Sex is an expression, individual expression is the only thing that makes us human and not drones, sitting in a cold church being told your a sinner and that sex is dirty is mind control, you are a drone.

Outdated and destructive is that how you would sum up christ and his teachings ? Then its clear to me that you haven't read the new testament and if you have then you could be stupid or ignorant ? And i think we live in a dirty world ? Are you blind ? Look at the suffering of the poor. And why ? Because we don't want change. How can billions suffer because we're lazy, greedy and selfish. Tell me How can there be enough for everyone yet somehow there isn't ? If you can. But i did read this right if we rejected the new testament and had more sex the world would be a better place ? Maybe somewhere down the road you became lost. Because please tell me how that would solve hunger, poverty, lack of knowledge and education, heating and a proper water system ? I can't wait for your response. And as for porn its the same as prostitution a woman selling her body for sex completly defiling herself in the process. Is that not destructive ? Probably not right ? But i'm speaking from a christian point of view. you know this "if any man looks at a woman lustfully then he has already commited the act in his heart" also how comes you avoid my questions ? Do you not have any answers for them ? Possibly not maybe ? Final thought: this life of mass sin we've embraced has cost the world around us. When i see certain countries suffer all i can think is this "why can't we unite and solve everything" and then it clicked some people love the world the way it is. Thanks for calling me a drone that was really creative and inspiring. i'm glad i can see the evil and sickness in the world. may YHWH bless you and your family.

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Wow you are trying hard to annoy me. But it just isn't working. Now why don't you try and answer my questions. If you can ? May YHWH bless you and your family.

reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

Outdated and destructive is that how you would sum up christ and his teachings ? Then its clear to me that you haven't read the new testament and if you have then you could be stupid or ignorant ? And i think we live in a dirty world ? Are you blind ? Look at the suffering of the poor. And why ? Because we don't want change. How can billions suffer because we're lazy, greedy and selfish. Tell me How can there be enough for everyone yet somehow there isn't ? If you can. But i did read this right if we rejected the new testament and had more sex the world would be a better place ? Maybe somewhere down the road you became lost. Because please tell me how that would solve hunger, poverty, lack of knowledge and education, heating and a proper water system ? I can't wait for your response. And as for porn its the same as prostitution a woman selling her body for sex completly defiling herself in the process. Is that not destructive ? Probably not right ? But i'm speaking from a christian point of view. you know this "if any man looks at a woman lustfully then he has already commited the act in his heart" also how comes you avoid my questions ? Do you not have any answers for them ? Possibly not maybe ? Final thought: this life of mass sin we've embraced has cost the world around us. When i see certain countries suffer all i can think is this "why can't we unite and solve everything" and then it clicked some people love the world the way it is. Thanks for calling me a drone that was really creative and inspiring. i'm glad i can see the evil and sickness in the world. may YHWH bless you and your family.

Yes I would sum up Christ as outdated and destructive and more people in the world would agree with me than you.

I was raised a Catholic, I was even an alter boy lol so I have a pretty good understanding of Christianity and its beliefs, and once again it is outdated and destructive.

The suffering of the poor is due to capitalism, lack of resources for fuel and exploitation due to greed, racism, and religion.

No mate I am certainly not lost, there is no signs pointing home in life, life is a ride a free for all, the only point to life is to live.

Free energy would solve all the problems you describe, Religion only has a mild impact on anything, its used as a cover story, a bribe and an excuse, Kings along time ago figured out that their priests we great to get the public support for battles, but the priests couldn’t win them wars, priests couldn’t do anything, most people also realize this today and use religion as a hobby, its the people like you who are the problem, who take it to seriously, Jesus obsessed.

No porn is not prostitution im sure you can figure that one out, a couple may film themselves for their own private pleasure, that isn’t prostitution. Also who are you to judge anyone some prostitutes love it, they love the feeling of power its their choice and how hypocritical are you judging anyone be and Christian and all, also it is the oldest profession, it wouldn’t surprise me to know if your mate Jesus hit a pro or 2.

Ha ha if a man looks at a woman he has already committed the act in his heart. Mate we are animals with intelligence, still doesn’t change the fact we have animal instincts, I will never ever cheat on my wife because that’s my way of honoring her, but I still know what a hot chick looks like and my wife would think I was a bit strange if didn’t notice other woman, actions speak louder than words or thoughts mate.

Maybe calling you a drone was a bit harsh, but if the shoe fits.....

Originally posted by Kaytagg
Religion is slavery.. It's quite possibly the best tyranny ever devised, because it has survived so very long, and it refuses to be stamped out in democracies and authoritarian regimes alike. It is a system of slavery that knows no political affiliation, prefered economy, or higherarchy of rule. It is the lowest common denominator of tyranny, exploiting the most fundamental flaws in human beings almost as if nature intended it to be that way.

If religion were an animal, it would probably be a parasite -- possibly a leech -- and it would see itself as fortunate, because nature created a host for it to feed off of. It hijacks humanity, and commandeer's our destiny. It is both the source of great achievements of social order, as well as detrimental setbacks, by the decree of cynics and psychopaths who are personified as God in the flesh -- or the closest thing to it.


And what about God, anyhow? Is he really so great? Why doesn't he ever show himself.. Why is he strangely absent when he is needed the most, and why does he become obsolete when uncertainty is be replaced with knowledge? To need a god in the 21st century, one must ignore what is already known about much of the universe. God's role has all but vanished completely, as the only atom of relevance left for a deity is to simply prove he exists at all, just for the sake of existing.


Where does that leave us, as people? What kind of person belongs to religion, and believes in god, in this stage? What purpose does he serve? What purpose do you serve, if you believe in him?

Are religious folk being taken advantage of, or are they doing what they were bread to do; is a worship of "god" inevitable, and what use does it have in the 21st century?

Religion is slavery check!, and god is obsoletecheck!.

Religion is slavery.. It's quite possibly the best tyranny ever devisedcheck!, because it has survived so very longcheck!, and it refuses to be stamped out in democracies and authoritarian regimes alikecheck!. It is a system of slaveryUN-check! that knows no political affiliation, prefered economy, or higherarchy of rulecheck!. It is the lowest common denominator of tyranny, exploiting the most fundamental flaws in human beings almost as if nature intended it to be that way. UN-check!

If religion were an animal, it would probably be a parasite -- possibly a leech -- and it would see itself as fortunate, because nature created a host for it to feed off of.UN-check! It hijacks humanity, and commandeer's our destiny. UN-check!It is both the source of great achievements of social ordercheck!, as well as detrimental setbacks, by the decree of cynics and psychopaths who are personified as God in the flesh -- or the closest thing to it. check!


He is really greatcheck! Why doesn't he ever show himself..lol? Why is he strangely absent when he is needed the mostUN-check! e.g. ATS, and why does he become obsolete when uncertainty is be replaced with knowledge?UN-check! Our present knowledge only proves we know nothing To need a god in the 21st century, one must ignore what is already known about much of the universe. God's role has all but vanished completely, as the only atom of relevance left for a deity is to simply prove he exists at all, just for the sake of existing.UN-check!


Where does that leave us, as people? What kind of person belongs to religion, and believes in god, in this stage? What purpose does he serve? What purpose do you serve, if you believe in him?

Are religious folk being taken advantage ofcheck!, or are they doing what they were bread to do; is a worship of "god" inevitablecheck!, and what use does it have in the 21st century?are u serious?

reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009


Im not a troll, i dont get pleasure out of annoying people, I just really enjoy conversations with people like you and I have 10hrs to kill at work, but i do enjoy a bit of a joke.

Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

 

Outdated and destructive is that how you would sum up christ and his teachings ? Then its clear to me that you haven't read the new testament and if you have then you could be stupid or ignorant ? And i think we live in a dirty world ? Are you blind ? Look at the suffering of the poor. And why ? Because we don't want change. How can billions suffer because we're lazy, greedy and selfish. Tell me How can there be enough for everyone yet somehow there isn't ? If you can. But i did read this right if we rejected the new testament and had more sex the world would be a better place ? Maybe somewhere down the road you became lost. Because please tell me how that would solve hunger, poverty, lack of knowledge and education, heating and a proper water system ? I can't wait for your response. And as for porn its the same as prostitution a woman selling her body for sex completly defiling herself in the process. Is that not destructive ? Probably not right ? But i'm speaking from a christian point of view. you know this "if any man looks at a woman lustfully then he has already commited the act in his heart" also how comes you avoid my questions ? Do you not have any answers for them ? Possibly not maybe ? Final thought: this life of mass sin we've embraced has cost the world around us. When i see certain countries suffer all i can think is this "why can't we unite and solve everything" and then it clicked some people love the world the way it is. Thanks for calling me a drone that was really creative and inspiring. i'm glad i can see the evil and sickness in the world. may YHWH bless you and your family.

Yes I would sum up Christ as outdated and destructive and more people in the world would agree with me than you.

I was raised a Catholic, I was even an alter boy lol so I have a pretty good understanding of Christianity and its beliefs, and once again it is outdated and destructive.

The suffering of the poor is due to capitalism, lack of resources for fuel and exploitation due to greed, racism, and religion.

No mate I am certainly not lost, there is no signs pointing home in life, life is a ride a free for all, the only point to life is to live.

Free energy would solve all the problems you describe, Religion only has a mild impact on anything, its used as a cover story, a bribe and an excuse, Kings along time ago figured out that their priests we great to get the public support for battles, but the priests couldn’t win them wars, priests couldn’t do anything, most people also realize this today and use religion as a hobby, its the people like you who are the problem, who take it to seriously, Jesus obsessed.

No porn is not prostitution im sure you can figure that one out, a couple may film themselves for their own private pleasure, that isn’t prostitution. Also who are you to judge anyone some prostitutes love it, they love the feeling of power its their choice and how hypocritical are you judging anyone be and Christian and all, also it is the oldest profession, it wouldn’t surprise me to know if your mate Jesus hit a pro or 2.

Ha ha if a man looks at a woman he has already committed the act in his heart. Mate we are animals with intelligence, still doesn’t change the fact we have animal instincts, I will never ever cheat on my wife because that’s my way of honoring her, but I still know what a hot chick looks like and my wife would think I was a bit strange if didn’t notice other woman, actions speak louder than words or thoughts mate.

Maybe calling you a drone was a bit harsh, but if the shoe fits.....

Another great post.......keep it up your doing well......but you still didn't answer my question how would sex solve everything ? And more people in the world would agree with you that jesus is destructive ? Hmm....you may be lost maybe ? Or maybe not ? Making a home movie between man and his wife is fine as long as you keep it between you. But once you start promoting it and leading people astray ? Well then its a problem...... And how would you describe prostitution ? Here's my answer:

A woman who would charge a fee, for a sexual service. Now doesn't that sound familir(sp?) to a porn actress ? Or maybe not right ?

greed and racism yes but what religion be specific its probably christianity right ? And why can't we educate these poor people and show them how to use their resources instead of stealing from them. Maybe because its been done from the beginning or its christianities fault right ? Because people follow christ and that makes the world suffer ? And jesus with a prostitute ? Your really trying hard aren't you......

Its funny how this conversation has evolved. You've gone from insulting me and now jesus.......

You obviously don't take these quotes seriously what a shame ? And good work with still avoiding my previous answers......
And you should never say never your wife might fall out of love with you or vice versa........
"the only point to life is to live" thats wrong shouldn't it be to make the world a positive and beautiful place ? Or not maybe ?

Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

 

Im not a troll, i dont get pleasure out of annoying people, I just really enjoy conversations with people like you and I have 10hrs to kill at work, but i do enjoy a bit of a joke.

Its funny i never called you a troll ? Is that what you think you are ? And who said anything pleasure and annoying people......now i'm beginning to understand who you truly are........

reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009



Ok first of all let me be clear your religion is the same as all religions, whether Islamic, scientology even atheism its all the same, just a bunch of people in a group professing to know the mysteries of the world, and guess what there are millions of people who believe their religion is right and yours is wrong, there can only be one winner, there is only one reality. Christianity is just easy picking for me because I live in the west and I know more about this particular religion than any other.

I never said sex would solve everything, I just think it’s a beautiful human expression that should be encouraged, not frowned upon and cast as dirty but a bunch outdated know-it-alls.

what does it matter to you if another woman or man is a pro??, really you don’t have to have anything to do with them, the world is a big place just stay away, but you are a hypocrite if you a 'god fearing Christian' judges another for their free choice to f**k their life away, personally I think their would be allot more child abuse in the church if prostitutes were not around, so in a way you owe prostitutes your gratitude for keeping lonely, old, celibate priests happy as they have for millennia.

No bible quote has any effect on me actually Religion offends me, so I stay away from Religion most of the time, unless I make the choice to enter into discussions like this.

There is no point to life, just to live, and what if I don’t want to make the world a better place??, I don’t have to just because you or your weird superstitions say so, it’s my life I will do with it as I please.

Did I miss any of your questions.......? Oh yeah last one, I can say never in my relationship, we wouldn’t have gotten married if there was a chance we wouldn’t want to spend our lives together, she is my companion. Some people in this world like to be part of the heard and blindly follow a leader, does that sound familiar??? Me I just travel with my companion very similar to an Australian ridgeback lizard look up this animal, im not a pack dog or a sheep that needs rules, systems and a leader to function and follow.

Peace bro.


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reply to post by Intuitiveaptitude2009

Its funny i never called you a troll ? Is that what you think you are ? And who said anything pleasure and annoying people......now i'm beginning to understand who you truly are........

I know you didnt, they are my words i chose to communitcate to you, and man you have no idea who i am, on here im an avatar with an opinion

reply to post by MrXYZ

You keep on using the word "objectively" in the wrong way...what you mean is "subjectively" because only you claim to have those experiences.

I really hope you see the difference between scriptures such as the bibles, and scientific texts. Comparing the two by saying both were written by man, and both are therefore equally as valid is laughable, sorry.

You can't seriously believe that a scientif paper about comets written today is the same as people claiming them to be "signs of God"?

The main difference though is that scientists label their theories as such. A theory is something you wanna prove or disprove...you don't have the whole answer yet, so you label it as a theory.

Religous people claim their scriptures are FACT! They don't have prove for a lot of the things in the bible, yet they stubornly continue to portray them as facts when they're not. And what's more, they use this as a basis to make make up laws, regulations, and policies. Those things should be based on logic, not speculation and fairy tales that can't be proven. You can follow the guidelines in scriptures for yourself, and that's fine...every human has the right to experience happiness and believe in whatever they want...AS LONG as they dont' feel the need to force it upon others.

Sadly many people like those dangerous evangelicals try to enter politics, and try to create laws based on their religious beliefs. Those people need to be stopped, because the day EMOTIONS override LOGIC when it comes to laws, is the day our society falls back to being a theocracy.

Obviously some people would like that, because it would make it soooooo easy to manipulate people, and you could basically do whatever you want as long as you find a way to justify it through religion...no matter how ridiculous or illogical it is.

In Reply To MrXYZ:
On the whole emotions over-riding logic and a republic vs. Theocracy deal.

I agree with you only to the extent that what we have for the most part in modern day Xtianity ..and other Religious systems ...is a watered down version of Ego controlled individuals who take things out of context and create laws around it.

Do you want to know what the original state of Man was ...and is all going to come back to? It is the original state of Theocracy ....meaning that the ego's of all of mankind (which in its very nature is illusiory and consists of thoughts) will one day be destroyed permanently and we will all be brought back to egolessness.

So what does that entitle? Egolessness ...allows one to experience the Omnipresence and Infinity of God within yourself and within all things ...seeing that all things are United in God. Meaning ...in this state its impossible to rape, lie, steal, manipulate, fight, go to war with, and commit any other atrocity against anyone else because the understanding is that everyone else is you and you are everyone else.... there is a Uniting.

Everything other than this is Ego. Even Christians portray ego and most of the representatives have traded in their worldly egos for dogmatic ones. But as a true representative of the Path ....Jesus showed egolessness ....loved everyone and was a pacifist living as a true example of egolessness. This is all possible and is what all of mankind is heading towards as spiritual evolution pushes forward

Thats what people in Christianity are working on ....they are working on giving up the ego ...which in the long run brings you to a place of Union with God (Objectivity).

When I mean objectivity ...I am saying having an experience of seeing everyone's perspective at the same time.... so there is no longer a subjectivity because the ego is what creates subjectivity and when the ego is gone ...there is only objectivity of everything else thats taking place. I don't know or think that many will understand this. Its like saying that subjectivity only exists because you think it does ....but in a macrocosmic view ....everything is happening at the same time. That is God's view .....an objective view...a beingness that experiences every hair on everyone's head, every leaf that falls of a tree in fall, every thought that passes through everyone's mind, etc.

As for science ...yeah its cool because its getting to a place where soon there will be instruments sensitive enough to measure the soul, the subtle bodies, chakra systems like they have in acupuncture and have understood for thousands of years. Its the anamolies that science is passing up that should be studied. All of quntum mechanics is just fueling the fire for proof for the existence of God and objectivity and I can break this down for weeks ....I have 12 atheists converted ....not necessarily to Christianity ...but at least to drop the label Atheist and go forwrd to agnostics or believers in one form or another.

Besides that the foundations of scinece are very shaky. Any new discovery or loophole can completely change the whole territory that science in general stands on. Also many scientists are dogmatics who are influenced and live by funding and politics. Science has one thing in common with religion ...allot of it is corrupt.

Im not here to to argue about religion ...which for the most part only takes you so far ....just to say that od is far from Obsolete.... Atheists having been saying a hundred years ago that by 2000 they forsee the idea of God being obsolete ...but it is asstrong as ever.

Perhaps the misunderstanding is in the belief of an idea of a God. The thing is that when we are discussing these topics ...we are labeling God as a thought or we use abstract ideas to discuss the existence of God. But God is not an idea or a thought ...but belief is in the realm of thoughts and ideas. So you to an atheist it seems laughable and preposterous.

But I will tell you, the path starts out with belief in a diety and trust, which soon enough transforms into a direct experience. In that direct experience there is no longer belief required. There is instead a knowing that God is real.

So we have 3 camps: Those who believe that God doesn't exist, those who belive that God does exist, and those who know that God exists through direct experience.

So certain scriptures are like preserved published scientific results. For example, if you meditate, pray, and seek God in methods A, B, and C ...the result will be an experience in the style of D, E and F.

Upon further treading the path once you go beyond D, E, and F...... you have hidden meanings and deeper maps that show you how to get to greater results whereas an atheist hasn't even tried to see if these results are true because from the getgo you are skeptical that any of this is true.

Its like me saying, if walk into 31 flavors Ice Cream and try each flavor ...you will walk out of there with a seasoned pallete of the culture of frozen creamery items ....but you won't do it because you are skeptical of the place. Granted we ware talking a physical place that you can see, feel, touch, hear, and taste ......but you cant do any of those with thoughts and yet you know that you think .......

Very simple if you think about it.

LOL
This is laughable!

This thread my actually be helping fullfill bible prophecy.

Christians will be persecuted in the last days and from what I see here 99% of it is Christian bashing. What about the other religions? What about the radical muslims killing themselves and others.

The bible also speaks of a “great falling away” where people start leaving /losing their faith.

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMM………………..

Like I said before, If in the end I am wrong what have I lost? But if I am right, what have you lost?
Think about it.

reply to post by Quadrivium

Like I said before, If in the end I am wrong what have I lost? But if I am right, what have you lost?

Your individuality. Bring on hell for me if by some weird chance what you believe is true, it doesn’t bother me in the least, I would actually be quiet curious to see hell, me and the devil would proberly vibe as we have traits in common. I wouldn’t change my views or loose my individuality for anything, and I will never kneel to any power/leader or god. Just my 2 cents.



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Lol you could not be further off base brother. I am an individual with my own thoughts and actions.
The fact that so many people in all walks of life can join together and worship The Alpha and The Omega shows just how wrong you are. When your out and about look around. A lot of the individuals you see around you are probably Christians. They all look and act the same too you?
I think maybe you might be the one with delusions. Lol!!!!!!!

and I will never kneel to any power/leader or god. Just my 2 cents.

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We shall see brother.

reply to post by Quadrivium

The aggregate of qualities and characteristics that distinguish one person or thing from others; character: choices that were intended to express his individuality;

Your beliefs are spoon fed to you in the form of an old book and regurgitated by generations of men, you are told what to believe and unfortunately millions believe the same thing that doesn’t scream individuality man. Im not delusional, just like to do what ever I please and don’t like any rules in my life as it’s short and must be enjoyed.

reply to post by Quadrivium

and I will never kneel to any power/leader or god. Just my 2 cents.

You don’t know me so I appreciate this is just internet rabble, but I can assure you I will never kneel to anything, I believe I am god. You might laugh at that because of you idea of god, but I think life is god, nature if you will, and I certainly don’t think im your god if your thinking that. So believe me when I say that I would never kneel to anyone, I am happy to accept the consequences of my actions.