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Originally posted by David9176
What are they going to do? Arrest 500,000 illegals? Put them where?
Originally posted by jam321
If People think its ok if police start asking brown people, many who are Americans, to prove their citizenship based on reasonable suspicion(color), then hell with.
Let the whole ship sink.
Originally posted by centurion1211
How about we open BOTH SIDES of the border. Allow any American to go down to mexico and buy up all the property and businesses they want to because it's way cheaper than doing it here.
Fair is fair ...
Originally posted by jibeho
New Mexico and Utah better look out. The illegals will just flood into every crevice there too. That will of course result in more states backing up AZ's plan to the point where the Federal govt. may just decide to enforce the laws on the books. After the elections of course...
Originally posted by Xtrozero
We can all agree these bills are being born out of desperation and can be abused easily, so the Feds will be forced to counter them with real action.
Originally posted by David9176
Looks like it's already going to have an effect. I have a bad feeling about all of this.
[edit on 28-4-2010 by David9176]
Nearly 12 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be living in the United States. The vast majority work in low-skill, low-wage jobs. More than half work in construction, manufacturing or leisure and hospitality.
Advocates on both sides of the immigration debate predict dramatic change if illegal immigration is drastically curtailed.
Supporters of a crackdown argue that the U.S. economy would benefit if illegal immigrants were to leave, because U.S. employers would be forced to raise wages to attract American workers.
Critics of this approach say the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying undocumented workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do.
The most respected recent studies show that most Americans would notice little difference in their paychecks if illegal immigrants suddenly disappeared from the United States. That's because most Americans don't directly compete with illegal immigrants for jobs.
There is one group of Americans that would benefit from a dramatic cut in illegal immigration: high-school dropouts. Most economists agree that the wages of low-skill high-school dropouts are suppressed by somewhere between 3 percent and 8 percent because of competition from immigrants, both legal and illegal. Economists speculate that for the average high-school dropout, that would mean about a $25 a week raise if there were no job competition from immigrants.
Illegal immigrants seem to have very little impact on unemployment rates. Undocumented workers certainly do take jobs that would otherwise go to legal workers.
But undocumented workers also create demand that leads to new jobs. They buy food and cars and cell phones, they get haircuts and go to restaurants. On average, there is close to no net impact on the unemployment rate.
Q: How do illegal immigrants affect the overall U.S. economy?
Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction.
Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don't pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.
While they are heavily concentrated in a few places, they have only a minor effect on national population growth. Politicians who favor extreme measures to get rid of them aren't helping anyone - they are only scaring people in a cynical attempt to get votes.
Do illegals hurt the economy? Probably not. Providing public education for children of illegal aliens costs about $3.1 billion in the seven key states in 1993-94, according to the Urban Institute. Illegal aliens in prison cost about $471 million a year, and they consume about $445 million more in Medicaid funds. But these costs are offset by about $1.9 billion in taxes paid by illegals and billions more in consumer spending. Impoverished field workers from Mexico get all the publicity, but the INS estimates that only 31 percent of illegal aliens are Mexican. And of the 1.7 million illegal workers who applied for citizenship in 1987, less than 4 percent were in farming, fishing, or forestry. In contrast, over 4 percent were executives, managers, or professionals; 21 percent held service jobs; and 24 percent were operators, fabricators, or laborers. Illegal aliens are consumers, too.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Then we have the 4th- the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
the last sentence of the 14th, 1. ...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
and the constitution of AZ itself
the 4th is the strongest- IMO
"As illegals, the Vietnamese are willing to accept salaries well below the minimum wage and are not protected by the Labor Contract Law. Moreover, their similar appearance allows them to blend in easily with native workers to avoid detection by Guangdong police.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by amatrine
Probably not because of the law. It is not even in effect. Probably because Sheriff Joe just announced he is doing another sweep this week.
Absolutely!!!! I live in Arizona.
Sheriff Joe has been under Federal investigation.
This new law legalizes his methods.
earth to ats user, being an american aint cheap. seen the national debt lately? if something at the store costs too much, or the line to pay for it too long does that give you the right to just take it?