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Originally posted by cepheusdraco
reply to post by On the Edge
This is why God says for us to "Come out of her,my people!"
I wonder if that is in reference to Rome, or Catholicism or both? Considering the beast will burn the harlot with fire Revelation 17:16 I would have to think it goes for both as I think a lot of Revelations has a metaphorical and more literal meaning.
The Word of God says:
Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
The word of Rome says:
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
"Not the Creator of Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,-but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days."-S. C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969, pp. 366-367.
"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, "Papa," art. 2, translated.
"This organization proposes in every possible way to aid in preserving Sunday as a civil institution. Our national security requires the active support of all good citizens in the maintenance of our American Sabbath. Sunday laws must be enforced." -Quoted as "principles contained in the Constitution" of the original orginization (then called the American Sabbath Union), cited in The Lord's Day Alliance, Twenty fifth Report (1913), p6.
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.
"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.
"The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." Canon and Tradition, p. 263
"It was the Catholic church by the authority of Jesus Christ, which has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church." - Mgr, Segur Plain Talk about Protestantism of today page 213
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.
Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You are very welcome, I know a great deal about the Gnostic's but that's for another thread, the small fragments that remain of their writings were found in 1947 the year that the dead sea scrolls were found, I find that interesting..
[edit on 28-4-2010 by Aquarius1]
Originally posted by Nephi1337
nice post... i think all roads do indeed lead to rome i believe in the bible it does mention the church as the great whore ...but i might be wrong about that
its ok just iggy my post i am just trying to get 20 topics so i can post at least i am being honest
Another problem for Rome was conflict between its aristocrat rulers and commoners. Rome's aristocrats liked warring. They were horsemen, and cavalry was their basic fighting unit. Wars gave them prestige and helped them to maintain their claim of leadership over the other Romans. But a development in the art of war was denying the aristocrats their exclusive right to prestige. The Greeks, Etruscans and now the Romans were using heavily armed infantrymen -- men who were commoners. The increased importance of the common man in combat had encouraged democracy in Athens, and now it was increasing the self-confidence of Rome's commoner-soldiers, who were also small farmers.
Originally posted by undo
yeshua was not enamored with the priest classes, who had historically hidden from the people, important knowledge, and had instead offered them a harsh mistress of dogmatic laws, meant to keep the population at large, honorable, honest and hard working, while the law givers did whatever they wanted with impunity. this much is evident from the way he spoke on the subject.
this alone convinces me that yeshua was on target regarding the abuse of power in the guise of religious doctrine and also the need for compassionate laws, that took into consideration the human condition and the central tenet of love and forgiveness amongst the population members.
as a result, i don't believe the romans modified the words of yeshua, nor do i believe they wrote them. i do believe, however, that they guided the ideas into certain avenues which were not supported by the words of yeshua, and for the express purpose of highjacking the teachings to their own benefit.
although i do reserve some doubts as regards passages in which yeshua appears to contradict himself, these are, however, rare. the more contradictory passages appear to be in the epistles of paul, who was a man of his time, and occassionally seems to espouse ideas that are in contradiction to the teachings of yeshua.
so not one of us is capable of throwing the first stone.
Originally posted by On the Edge
"The NWO are changing the democracy you live in, to Islamic rule - the very opposite of freedom."
This is a recent thread that I think is truthful in so many ways! (It also has a link to my favorite lecturer,Walter Veith!)
This makes the Catholic/Islam connection perfectly. I don't recall seeing this discussed so far.
More prophecy fulfilled,no matter where one wants to say it came from,so everyone should pay attention to this aspect.
...The pale horse,(pale=green,green=color of Islam)...people beheaded for their faith in Christ and not worshipping the beast,...)
I realize interpretations may differ,and always will,but it is an amazing "coincidence"!