reply to post by jackflap
That's a bit much right there Dock9. I don't believe that killing ourselves is the key to ending their grip on us.
Lol --- you'll note I did predict the suggestion we all kill ourselves would put the chills right up people's spines and result in objections
Actually, it's the perfect
Yet people who're going to die anyway, would prefer to live like this in order to postpone what in any case is their inevitable death
But yeah ... it's not going to happen, perfect or not, so we'll move on
We have to understand what it is that makes us want to follow their plan. What is it that is so appealing that we believe that turning a blind
eye to their savagery is alright? Why are we able to have our opinions formed for us so that when their plan is implemented we believe that it is in
fact God's will?
They don't persuade me they're speaking on behalf of God or His Will. In my opinion, they wouldn't know God if they bumped into him. In any case,
I'm pretty convinced by this stage their their God certainly isn't mine
As to why we want to follow their plan --- I don't. Many don't. But we've been Divided and Conquered so that followers of any movement set
themselves up and are set-up, for criticism by the majority. Take the Green parties as an example: some applaud them while other ridicule them as
Remove ego from the equation and we'd be so much more strong and united. But then there would be far less conflict, wouldn't there ? And it does
seem that human-conflict is considered necessary, even desirable --- by something. Of course when we're divided, we're so much easier to control.
We can be relied upon to oppose each other and to sabotage each other -- kill each other, betray each other.
So we're our own worst enemies and I can't see anything that will change that, or us. For as long as there are two humans left on the planet,
there'll be arguments and both will struggle to control the other, using the vast human catelogue of fighting-styles
We're similar to a flock or birds or a shoal of fish insofar as we easily succumb to ... what's the term, my mind's gone blank .... 'mass
emotion', as in 'mass hysteria'. We're empathic, too -- for example we cry when watching others cry, even if they're actors on a screen. There
are times when thousands of massed humans move, and appear to think, as one -- just like a shoal of fish or flock of birds appearing to move as a
single entity. Now, if we could just hold that moment long enough to make it work to majority benefit -- as in a headlong charge against a corrupt
institution, for example
But no. We can't hold it. We break into factions and next thing, we're fighting amongst ourselves
But that's the way we are, it's the way Nature works in us. Various individuals want to stand out from the crowd, want to climb that extra rung on
the ladder. Which results in others trying to pull him down, climb on his head and grab that higher rung for themselves.
Sure, it's produced creatures known as 'top of the food chain' and its resulted in some awesome discoveries, creations, etc. But we also pay the
price because it results in jealousies and resentments which in turn render people prepared to support an individual or group who promise to bring
down those we regard as our enemies and to elevate us in their place. We allow ourselves to be divided. And it's our undoing. Because those we
support very often end up controlling us and using us for their own purposes
It's everywhere: this religion versus the other religion/s. This political party vs the other political party/parties. This side of town and its
inhabitants are superior to other sides of town. This group of people is superior to other people/s based on half a dozen chosen criteria. etc.
Could it be different ? Could people of various religions and social standing live in harmony in the same street, do you believe ? Could the
immigrant family on welfare smile genuinely at their rich neighbours as they drove along the street in their expensive car or announced they were off
for another luxury trip ? I don't think it could work for long. Be nice if it could. Be even better if the rich family split everything down the
middle and gave half to the family next door. But most probably, the rich family would find reasons not to do so and would claim the best thing they
could do for their poor neighbours would be to lead by example -- show them the prizes that result from hard work, ingenuity, acumen, etc. And the
poor family would feel even poorer in comparison to their rich neighbours and would justify their position, very probably, by pointing out that the
rich neighbours had been provided more and better opportunities, education, contacts, inheritances, etc.
The individual fish within the shoal stay within that shoal for protection and the strength it provides. If one fish finds a morsel of food, the fish
on the left might try to take it, sure. But the entire shoal isn't going to split into thousands of individual units, for it did, the individual
fish would be quickly picked-off, one by one.
We aren't as intelligent, apparently. Instead of moving in a tightly-knit shoal, we're all over the place, showing-off, advertising our individual
markings, shooting off alone because we think we know better than the rest, or forming little gangs and plotting to attack other gangs as well as
fighting members of our own gang. We're wide-open to predators and to super-gangs who split and devour and control us. We're more like those
fighting-fish which have to be kept in separate tanks to prevent them launching insane attacks on each other.
Doesn't matter what type of group it is: nuns in a convent or brothers in a monastery; employees in a factory or office; children in classrooms;
people in pottery classes or book clubs. It's endless. And within each group, one or more will oppose others. Which produces arbitrators ....
authority figures whose task it is to sort it out. And of course the authority figures gain power purely by virtue of their position and also because
those in opposition seek to gain favour with 'the judge' and to put forth a case which will beat the case put forth by the other
We have those chains of authority/hierarchy in all organisations and religious organisations are no different and cite 'God' as the ultimate
authority and judge. Those within the hierarchy gain power and control and can make God into anything they like and in fact use God (their version
of) for their own gain and increased power and control.
They get children early and indoctrinate them, just as governments indoctrinate children to feel loyalty to a tune (national anthem) and piece of
cloth (flag). Wars are frequent, they're profitable and it suits the purposes of the war-mongers to have a continual stream of indoctrinated
creatures on tap and ready to kill and die for that piece of cloth and tune. Same with 'religious wars' --- continual steady stream of creatures on
tap to kill and die for certain gods and belief systems
There's not much power and control to be gained from indoctrinating people to believe in a god who's happy-go-lucky and tolerant of basically
anything. So the god must be promoted at 'scary'. But not too scary, or people will lose all hope and give up or run to a more attractive god. So
the god has to be scary, but with a 'nice' side. Carrot and stick, as always. Be bad and he'll give you hell. Do as he wants and he might let
you move on to this really nice place. But don't rest on your laurels or get complacent, or it's the bad place for you.
And then come the rules; believe this but don't believe that -- but sometimes they overlap, in which case no matter what you do, you're
automatically wrong. Do this, don't do that. Kill when youre told by the authorities who indoctrinated you to be loyal to that bit of rag over
there. We rag and tune authorities are good buddies with the god-authorities, so killing when we tell you to is ok. Kill without our permission and
we'll fry you and you'll go straight to hell. And the rest of the time, don't say anything nasty about the people we're telling you to kill, or
that will make you racist and you'll go to hell for that too, and to jail first or a fine. Be scared of us all the time and don't question us.
Give us your money. Don't use that drug because that's a sin and we'll punish you and god won't like you either. But you'd better take the drug
our doctors are shoving in, even if it kills you ... because we said so and we're the law.
One big insane asylum, run by lunatics professing to speak on behalf of dozens of different gods. They might as well use cattle-prods on us. Oh ...
wait on ... they do. We scream, we writhe, we're depressed and we're terrified of dying and meeting this god who demands we worship and obey him
(all translated by the authority figures) yet for some reason, he never seems to intervene or slap down the god-merchants.
We're so confused. We intuitively know this is wrong, so much is wrong. But we're scared to say 'To hell with all of this' ... just in case god
is as terrifying as we've been told and gets offended. We're scared to even think
of rebelling against him, because he can read our minds.
So they have us in jail all our lives, like sitting ducks at their disposal any time they want to lauch a war or impose another tax or inject or spray
us with something. And all the way through, they surround us with 'enemies' and at the same time they claim their actions and laws are protecting
us from those same enemies they invented/created
They're not going to quit. Can we make them quit ? Or we paralysed in fear and confusion