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It is believed by many, and there is evidence to support this theory, that the world before Noah had one climate, exisitng benath a vapor canopy. This canopy would have filtered all harmful UV rays from the sun, dramatically extending all life.
Originally posted by Zero Point
It is believed by many, and there is evidence to support this theory, that the world before Noah had one climate, exisitng benath a vapor canopy. This canopy would have filtered all harmful UV rays from the sun, dramatically extending all life.
Rubbish, no such thing ever happened, nor is there any evidence to support this theory.
Well, you've both claimed to be stating fact but neither of you has named a source. Does one of you want to back up your arguement, or is this thread just a chance for everyone to weigh in on their religious opinions? Perhaps somebody can cite evidence from icecores? Or here's a question- If there was a cannopy, would it have hindered the formation of radiocarbon? If so, then there should be an observable change at some point in earths history, at which carbon dates would appear to leap forward considerably within a narrow strata.
Originally posted by Zero Point
eh? I hadn't even mentioned religion.
Science can account for climatic conditions going back far further than the times these events were supposed to have occured in, and nowhere is it mentioned that only a few poultry 10,000 or so years ago that the Earth was 'surrounded in vapour'.
I didn't bother to play teacher with the facts because:
A:Science seems to be a dirty word in these parts and is dismissed with ridicule.
B: I assumed that most people have had sufficient education to know the history of their planet, without me having to play teacher.
C: It's not like the geological history is hanging on whether or not I can persuade you of it's validity.....
D: Anyway I was just reacting with incredulous contempt....after all the motto at the top of the page says 'deny ignorance'...
E: It's so laugable it's sad...People get sunburnt on cloudy days to...
[edit on 6-8-2004 by Zero Point]
Originally posted by stgeorge
Cabon dating I was told is good only for maybe a few thousand years at most.After that it gets widly exaggerated or makes no sense at all.Then,paleontologists merely consult the book for the "correct" date and ignor the carbon reading.
The reason,radio carbon is not equal through all parts of the artifact.
You are dating ,not bones,but fossils of them.
Ancient strata tends to be compressed.
Originally posted by GriBiT
I've always been intersted in the long life spans spoke about in the bible. Life spans of 100's of years. Over 900 in the case of Adam. Then they slowly decrease over time. After "Noas flood" they decreased even more until they reached the average age that we have now (70 years give or take). Whenever I think of this I recall a book by Irwin Ginsburgh, Ph.D. and his book "First, Man. Then Adam!". He reviews Genisis from a different perspective. Implying that travelers (with long life spans) crashed and were marooned here and mixed with humans here on Earth, then over time the "Alien" age span decreased as it was diluted over the many generations until modern times. He also goes into other aspects of Genesis like that when God said l"let there be light" it may have refered to the big bang. Also passages such as something refering to old scripture saying Adam came to the third planet from the sun, as if from outside out solar system. My excerpts don't do his thesis justice, but you get the general idea.
Wanted to get this started while I continued research on this.
This link shows a chart of ages in the bible as a start.
On this site they have a different hypothethis, but I don't fully agree with it. They talk about the age dropping after "Noas flood" but it took quite a while for the life span to slowly decrease. I really added this link just to show a visual of the life spans in the bible in a chart.
Bible Life Span Chart
I really want to find something online to link to about the book "First, Man. Then, Adam!" I'll keep searching. In the mean time....Your thoughts?
Originally posted by elaine
If we all lived really long life spans, like 900 years or so the population would overload the earth's resources. Maybe nature or God has a way of controlling the population by makeing lifespans shorter?
Makes sense to me!
Originally posted by Tiza
There is simply a ton of stuff in Genesis, even in just the first few words in the Hebrew that requires weeks of study. It starts out telling you in the Hebrew that there was a previous world-age, actually. Then when you put the Scriptures together precept upon precept, line upon line (Isa. 28:9f), it reveals that world-age was the age of the dinosaurs. These were destroyed by Yahweh himself probably by an asteroid or asteroids. Then earth then became tohu and bohu, (wasted and wild, destruction). This world-age is called the Adamaic world-age. The Scriptures actually speak of several world-ages, not just one.
Tiza
This is extremely interesting to me. If you can give me the verses relating to previous world ages I'll spare you the trouble of teaching me and look it all up myself, however complex it may be. I'm very eager to verify this. Thanks.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
body makes has organs to sense outside sources of energy (such as light) which imply understanding of how the outside world works.
Organization and design (subject to grevious errors, such as my step-father) are apparent in the universe.
I believe that a key element is missing from our current understanding of the universe, and in my mind, it's God.
What if the earth is hollow, with other illumination and warmth withing, and the flood carried us to the outside of the Earth, where the suns radiation could act upon and degrade human DNA?
Vagabond in another posting:
as your water-canopy link shows you are aware, we didn't start dying younger till after the flood-
persueus:
Scientists revise facts on an almost daily basis
People who believe evolution need to keep in mind that evolutionists work on the assumption that the world was created at random.
Facts that can't be easily explained by evolution are often ignored.
I could probably think of 100 problems with evolutionary assumptions if I wanted to take an hour to think about it.
The simplest one is the question of where big bang itself came from. Many physicists openly admit that the current motion of stars cannot adequately be explained by big bang but its "the best theory they have." How many people believe big bang as fact when even physicists don't really buy it? But back to the point, where did the mass to create big bang come from?
Persueus in another post:
Inbreeding for a few generations is going to cause lower life expectancy, as well as genetic weaknesses.
gfs4731:
As the generations proceeded,and man was born ito sin, the genes were no longer perfect and people started to die earlier.
stgeorge
Sin entered the world, and corrupted perfection, thus entered death.
stgeorge:
It is believed by many, and there is evidence to support this theory, that the world before Noah had one climate, exisitng benath a vapor canopy.
tiza
There was a 'canopy' of water which covered the entire earth.
This canopy would have filtered all harmful UV rays from the sun, dramatically extending all life.
Cabon dating I was told is good only for maybe a few thousand years at most.After that it gets widly exaggerated or makes no sense at all.Then,paleontologists merely consult the book for the "correct" date and ignor the carbon reading.
The reason,radio carbon is not equal through all parts of the artifact.
Ancient strata tends to be compressed.
wassabi proposed:
children had children with each other which weakened those genes.