Why did people in the bible live so long?, page 4
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reply posted on 7-6-2004 @ 11:34 PM by EmbryonicEssence
I have this old page ripped out of some magazine but it doesn't have the magazines name written on it. It just says "October 1995." It is about the bristlecone pines. Its only a paragraph, so I'll post all of it. :-D Don't have my scanner hooked up so it won't be accompanied by the cool picture.



The trees that tell all

The bristlecone pine lives in one of the toughest neighborhoods on earth. The Southwest's dolomitic soil at 9,000 to 12,000 feet is incredibly poor, causing these trees to grow slowly and without much competition. Trunks and limbs grow so dense and resinous that insects can't penetrate them. Even after bristlecones die, they endure, standing or lying for thousands of years. Noting all this, scientists at the University of Arizona's Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research realized that the rings represent the planet's oldest living calendar. Turns out it's a pretty accurate one, too - carbon-dating labs frequently use the bristlecone calendar for calibration. How far back does it go? Checking core samples of live trees in California's White Mountains, researchers have dated living trees at more than 4,700 years old. Using ring samples from dead wood takes the continuous calendar back to 8,700 years ago. Is our weather changing? Did drought drive the Anasazi from Mesa Verde? These are the sorts of questions scientists are asking the bristlecones, who remember.


I'm sure there might have been more of an article to it, but I don't remember. I don't even know why I kept it - I have it in a folder, lol. Oh wait, I remember now, because I think they are one of the most interesting trees. I've seen them in areas near Price, Utah.



reply posted on 8-6-2004 @ 12:31 PM by Soul Reaper
Originally posted by GriBiT
I've always been intersted in the long life spans spoke about in the bible. Life spans of 100's of years. Over 900 in the case of Adam. Then they slowly decrease over time. After "Noas flood" they decreased even more until they reached the average age that we have now (70 years give or take). Whenever I think of this I recall a book by Irwin Ginsburgh, Ph.D. and his book "First, Man. Then Adam!". He reviews Genisis from a different perspective. Implying that travelers (with long life spans) crashed and were marooned here and mixed with humans here on Earth, then over time the "Alien" age span decreased as it was diluted over the many generations until modern times. He also goes into other aspects of Genesis like that when God said l"let there be light" it may have refered to the big bang. Also passages such as something refering to old scripture saying Adam came to the third planet from the sun, as if from outside out solar system. My excerpts don't do his thesis justice, but you get the general idea.

Wanted to get this started while I continued research on this.

This link shows a chart of ages in the bible as a start.
On this site they have a different hypothethis, but I don't fully agree with it. They talk about the age dropping after "Noas flood" but it took quite a while for the life span to slowly decrease. I really added this link just to show a visual of the life spans in the bible in a chart.

Bible Life Span Chart

I really want to find something online to link to about the book "First, Man. Then, Adam!" I'll keep searching. In the mean time....Your thoughts?


I think people lived so long in the Bible Age because:

1. There was more Oxygen in the atmosphere.
2. They drank their own urine providing a feedback
mechanisim for the bodily immune system, thereby
extending their own lifespan.


reply posted on 9-6-2004 @ 01:15 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by zero_snaz
www.pbs.org...
Last I knew this tree was the oldest tree. 5,000 years.
2,500 BC + 2,000 AD = 4,500 years. Granted it's still a few hundred years off, but not as much as you are making it out to be.
[edit on 7-6-2004 by zero_snaz]

Ooops!!

There's a plant older than the bristlecone (still living)... but I'm in a rush and not able to look it up right now. I thought the oldest still-living thing was around 9k years, but I could be completely mistaken, here!


reply posted on 10-6-2004 @ 06:02 AM by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I found this at user.pa.net...
Do a search for "pre-Flood" to find below:


When the Earth was created, the weather was always clear and sunny. There was never any rain. The vegetation was watered by the morning dew, which was why the people scoffed when Noah warned of an impending flood– because they didn’t know what rain was. The pre-Flood calendar was a perfect year of 12 months, with 30 days in each month. Now we have 365 a days in a year. According to scientists, the reason for this is that the Earth has been moved away from the sun by a million miles, resulting in 2% less heat; and the tilt of the axis is now 23-1/2 degrees, which accounts for the harshness of the seasons. The magnetic field was also changed. This upsetting of the delicate balances of nature has been blamed for the reduction of the human life span. Methuselah lived to be 969 years old, while Moses lived only to be 120.


Could be a possible explanation??


reply posted on 10-6-2004 @ 10:48 AM by GriBiT
Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I found this at
user.pa.net...
Do a search for "pre-Flood" to find below:


When the Earth was created, the weather was always clear and sunny. There was never any rain. The vegetation was watered by the morning dew, which was why the people scoffed when Noah warned of an impending flood– because they didn’t know what rain was. The pre-Flood calendar was a perfect year of 12 months, with 30 days in each month. Now we have 365 a days in a year. According to scientists, the reason for this is that the Earth has been moved away from the sun by a million miles, resulting in 2% less heat; and the tilt of the axis is now 23-1/2 degrees, which accounts for the harshness of the seasons. The magnetic field was also changed. This upsetting of the delicate balances of nature has been blamed for the reduction of the human life span. Methuselah lived to be 969 years old, while Moses lived only to be 120.


Could be a possible explanation??




Great find, that explains the theory much better. I still don't think this alone could change life spans, especially so drastically in a relativly short span. I also don't beleive that "God" changed the life spans after the flood because the change in life spans was gradual not instant, granted they did change faster than future trends. If the life spans went from 100's of years before the flood, then after the flood noone lived longer that 120 years I would tend to believe this theory in some way.

Also, Moses lived much longer than 120 years according to info I have found and also presented earlier in this thread.


reply posted on 10-6-2004 @ 11:09 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I found this at
user.pa.net...
Do a search for "pre-Flood" to find below:


When the Earth was created, the weather was always clear and sunny. There was never any rain. The vegetation was watered by the morning dew, which was why the people scoffed when Noah warned of an impending flood– because they didn’t know what rain was. The pre-Flood calendar was a perfect year of 12 months, with 30 days in each month. Now we have 365 a days in a year. According to scientists, the reason for this is that the Earth has been moved away from the sun by a million miles, resulting in 2% less heat; and the tilt of the axis is now 23-1/2 degrees, which accounts for the harshness of the seasons. The magnetic field was also changed. This upsetting of the delicate balances of nature has been blamed for the reduction of the human life span. Methuselah lived to be 969 years old, while Moses lived only to be 120.

Could be a possible explanation??

It is, if you completely ignore the written records of several civilizations, geologic records, ice core records, and a lot of other things.

Seriously -- theories like this have even been discounted by most of the creationists. I believe it's only the DrDino followers who still promote this. Even the Answers In Genesis folks have stepped away from a lot of the things mentioned because they've been proven false -- even to their own standards.



reply posted on 12-6-2004 @ 01:39 PM by lostinspace
Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I found this at
user.pa.net...
Do a search for "pre-Flood" to find below:


When the Earth was created, the weather was always clear and sunny. There was never any rain. The vegetation was watered by the morning dew, which was why the people scoffed when Noah warned of an impending flood– because they didn’t know what rain was. The pre-Flood calendar was a perfect year of 12 months, with 30 days in each month. Now we have 365 a days in a year. According to scientists, the reason for this is that the Earth has been moved away from the sun by a million miles, resulting in 2% less heat; and the tilt of the axis is now 23-1/2 degrees, which accounts for the harshness of the seasons. The magnetic field was also changed. This upsetting of the delicate balances of nature has been blamed for the reduction of the human life span. Methuselah lived to be 969 years old, while Moses lived only to be 120.


Could be a possible explanation??




Its very interesting to note that it is recorded, in the Genesis account, that Enoch was taken exactly when he was 365 years old.

The Book of Enoch the Prophet states:

Chapter LXXI [section XIII]

The book of the revolutions of the luminaries of heaven, according to their respective classes, their respective powers, their respective periods, their respective names, the places where they commence their progress, and their respective months, which Uriel, the holy angel who was with me, explained to me; he who conducts them. The whole account of them, according to every year of the world for ever, until a new work shall be effected, which will be eternal.

This is the first law of the luminaries. The sun and the light arrive at the gates of heaven, which are on the east, and on the west of it at the western gates of heaven.
I held the gates whence the sun goes forth; and the gates where the sun sets.
(the passage continues with the circuit of the sun and the lengthening days and then an equalization between night and day and then the days being shorter. The northern view of the seasons.)

Another interesting chapter says this:

Chapter LXXIV

These are the leaders of the chiefs of the thousands, those which preside over all creation, and over all the stars; with the four days which are added and never separated from the place allotted them, according to the computation of the year.
And these serve four days, which are not computed in the computation of the year.
Respecting them, men greatly err, for these luminaries truly serve, in the mansion of the world, one day in the first gate, one in the third gate, one in the fourth, and one in the sixth gate.
And the harmony of the world becomes complete every three hundred and sixty-fourth state of it. For the signs,
The seasons,
The years,
And the days, Uriel showed me; the angel whom the Lord of glory appointed over all the luminaries.

Chapter LXXIX

In those days Uriel answered and said to me, Behold, I have showed thee all things, O Enoch;
And all these things I have revealed to thee. Thou seest the sun, the moon, and those which conduct the stars of heaven, which cause all their operations, seasons, and arrivals to return.
In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened.
In those days the fruits of the earth shall be late, and not flourish in their season; and in their season the fruits of the trees shall be withholden.
The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period. But in those days shall heaven be seen; and the barrenness shall take place in the borders of the great chariots in the west. Heaven will shine more than when illuminated by the orders of light; while many chiefs among the stars of authority shall err, perverting their ways and works.

[edit on 14-6-2004 by lostinspace]
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