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I am sure you do not realize this fact I am about to share with you, so here goes.
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
dont give me that bullcrap about condoms fail(only a few percentage fail rate)....you also have birth control you can use in conjunction with condoms.
Originally posted by angrymomma
reply to post by Monts
I understand what you are saying. It is unfair to think that a man is just some walking sperm bank with no feelings that wants to stick his willy in anything that moves. There should be something a distraught man should be able to do in a case like the one you suggest. Ultimately the man will have no say so in whether or not the woman can have an abortion. That's just a fact. But it's heartless to say "sorry, champ, maybe next baby," and then expect the guy to just move on.
Originally posted by ganjoa
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
so it is absolutely not a part of your body...what so ever.
I agree with your statement of fact - a fetus is a parasite.
so that makes the entire argument of 'its my body i can do what i want' bullcrap BUNK.
An opinion based on an observation of a fact not evidenced by your prior statement.
BUT in my opinion...the moment a life is created inside you....YOU NO LONGER HAVE A CHOICE. because your BODY is no longer YOURS.
Well stated and properly identified as your opinion. Illogical.
See Descartes. Thanks for posting.
gj
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I am sure you do not realize this fact I am about to share with you, so here goes.
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
dont give me that bullcrap about condoms fail(only a few percentage fail rate)....you also have birth control you can use in conjunction with condoms.
I completely agree with this portion of your post.
I will never give you any sort of Bull Crap about condoms failing, because condoms are for penises, of which I have none.
And I have many forms of birth control to CHOOSE from as a WOMAN, including the morning after pill and abortion.
So we agree 100 percent on this portion of your post.
Isnt that wonderful?
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
yes it is wonderful that you think abortion is birth control.....you are EXACTLY the type of woman im talking about. abortion is not birth control...man you must be the reborn margarate sanger...take the morning after pill all you want...but it does not surprise me you would think abortion is a form of birth control....disgusting.
Technically, abortion is birth control.
How dare you demonize a woman exercising her rights. Your response to her is what is disgusting.
Originally posted by angrymomma
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
yes it is wonderful that you think abortion is birth control.....you are EXACTLY the type of woman im talking about. abortion is not birth control...man you must be the reborn margarate sanger...take the morning after pill all you want...but it does not surprise me you would think abortion is a form of birth control....disgusting.
Technically, abortion is birth control.
How dare you demonize a woman exercising her rights. Your response to her is what is disgusting.
yeah techically it is birth control...its also eugenics....so you support eugenics?
and you then defend her by basically saying my response to her saying that abortion as birth control is disgusting....is whats disgusting...thanks told me all i need to know about you.
im so glad you support a womens rights to eugenics(using abortion for birth control is eugenics 101).
is it possible for margerate sanger to be reborn into TWO people....hmmm.
why are you so shocked that i would condemn a women who uses abortion as birth control?
dont sit there behind your computor with your eyes real wide...the women just said that she has a right to use abortion as birth control..and you expect me to just let it go? this is a thread about pro-choice insanity....and thank you two lovelys for proving how INSANE and EXTREME the pro-choice crowd really is.
you heard it from pro-choicers themeselves....abortion is to be used as birth control.
Originally posted by godless
reply to post by Monts
Didn't Daddy make his choice when he decided to sex her without adequate birth control? Didn't that say that Daddy didn't care if she became pregnant or not? I don't think that the fathers are really victims in these cases. They could have taken steps to prevent a pregnancy and chose not to. If they are forced to deal with the consequences of their choice, too bad. Guys in this country need to seriously wake up.
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
Originally posted by godless
reply to post by Monts
so its the mans fault he does not wear a condom? give me a break. most of the time if not all the time the woman has the say in birth control.
what bullcrap...if a woman tells you to wear a condom...you wear a freakin condom.
women always have the final say in that matter...MOST of the time. i personally dont know any men that can have sex with a women without a condom, if she REALLY wants the guy to wear a condom.
women have all the power in these situations...what can the guy do...rape her?
unless the women is very mentally weak and is very submissive...nope what you desribe does not happen.
Wait wait wait wait wait. Clarify this for me. Honest to god, I might be misinterpreting what you wrote. But are you saying that is the responsibility of the WOMAN to make sure the man is wearing a condom, that the man takes no responsibility for it at all if he isn't asked to wear one? Really, I'm honestly asking if that is what you mean. I'm tired, pregnant, and at work so I'm not really speedy right now haha.
Originally posted by angrymomma
reply to post by DEMONcrats
HA You use eugenics as an equal to abortion? Eugenics is the process of "bettering" the gene pool by discouraging reproduction itself by anyone with any type of deficiency or any unwanted inheritable genes . Good try though.
Don't just sit there behind you computer "wide eyed" because the woman had the utter gall to state her opinions that don't match with yours. Do you know her personally? Do you know anything about me? No, you don't.
And yes, I AM pro-choice. You know what I chose? I chose to have my son. I choose to have my daughter in August. But if I wanted to I could have chosen otherwise.
I will admit that calling your comment "disgusting" was no better than you doing it to her and for that apologize. You have a right to your opinion and others theirs.
[edit on 14-4-2010 by angrymomma]
Originally posted by angrymomma
Originally posted by DEMONcrats
Originally posted by godless
reply to post by Monts
so its the mans fault he does not wear a condom? give me a break. most of the time if not all the time the woman has the say in birth control.
what bullcrap...if a woman tells you to wear a condom...you wear a freakin condom.
women always have the final say in that matter...MOST of the time. i personally dont know any men that can have sex with a women without a condom, if she REALLY wants the guy to wear a condom.
women have all the power in these situations...what can the guy do...rape her?
unless the women is very mentally weak and is very submissive...nope what you desribe does not happen.
Wait wait wait wait wait. Clarify this for me. Honest to god, I might be misinterpreting what you wrote. But are you saying that is the responsibility of the WOMAN to make sure the man is wearing a condom, that the man takes no responsibility for it at all if he isn't asked to wear one? Really, I'm honestly asking if that is what you mean. I'm tired, pregnant, and at work so I'm not really speedy right now haha.
you can wait all you want.
its both parties responsability...but the woman has the final say in almost everything related to the matters of sex.
a man will generally wear a condom if asked.
most men will bring out a condom before sexy...is it the mans fault if a women says 'no i want to FEEL you' or some other crap she says to try and make her sound sexy?
if you cant recognize that women have all the power in the bedroom(unless she is a submissive or wants to be dominated)well i feel sorry for you.
so yes im saying it is her fault if she tells the man not to wear one or does not ask if he has one...and if he does not have one and she still has sex with him.....well its her fault as well.
its the guys fault if he has sex with her without one as well.....i say if you go into the sex not wearing a condom or knowing she is not on birth control...then man up.
and women need to 'man up' as well. most abortion are used as birth control...less then 5% of all abortions are for rape/medical/incest.
to put that in perspective..thats around 37 million babies aborted in the united states because 'its not the right time, 'i dont want to be a mom', 'im not ready'.
pathetic excuses.