Blacks Are Brainwashed into being Democrats

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posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 10:27 PM
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As a Black man i say this and its not my opinion its a fact most of us(blacks)are democrats because our parents where.Once when i was politically unaware and you asked me what my party affiliation was i would say"democrat"why because it was what my entire family was.

Recently after hearing about Republicans are racist,i can not agree with that because in my entire military career most of the white republicans"officers and senior NCO's where fair had good values and not the least bit racist.I realize that alot of my African American brothers and sisters will call me the usual names"uncle tom,sell out,oreo"But if you really get down to it Alot of our greatest Black heroes where"Republicans"

1:I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man's political hopes and the ark of his safety.
Frederick Douglass

2:I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress.
Frederick Douglass



Frederick Douglass (born Frederick Augustus Washington Bailey, circa 1818 – February 20, 1895) an American abolitionist, women's suffragist, editor, orator, author, statesman, minister and reformer. Escaping from slavery, he contributed to strongly to its abolition, and achieved a public career that led to his being called "The Sage of Anacostia" and "The Lion of Anacostia". Douglass is one of the most prominent figures in African American and United States history.

He was a firm believer in the equality of all people, whether black, female, Native American, or recent immigrant. He was fond of saying, "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."


Eldridge Cleaver (August 31, 1935 – May 1, 1998) was a radical activist and author. A criminal turned left-wing journalist for Ramparts and a leading member of the Black Panther Party, he later turned to the right and towards the Republican Party.




Pinckney Benton Stewart Pinchback (May 10, 1837 – December 21, 1921) was the first non-white and first person of African American descent to become governor of a U.S. state. A Republican, he served as the 24th Governor of Louisiana for 35 days, from December 9, 1872, to January 13, 1873.




And there are numerous groups

WELCOME TO REPUBLICANS FOR BLACK EMPOWERMENT

Republicans for Black Empowerment is on a mission to raise the value of black American's political capital by increasing awareness of the upside offered by conservative solutions to the black community's concerns. For over 40 years, black voters have staunchly aligned themselves with the Democratic Party on Election Day. However, an increasing number have begun questioning the wisdom of supporting: (i) social policies rooted in low expectations and government dependency; (ii) economic and tax policies that stifle economic growth, job creation, personal savings and investment; and (iii) education policies that refuse to subject public schools to the competitive pressures of school choice, leaving parents of predominantly black students in failing schools without the choices enjoyed by middle and upper-class Americans.

We believe misinformation rather than adequate 'return on investment' cements black allegiance to the Democratic Party. To that end, Republicans for Black Empowerment seeks to raise awareness, provoke greater critical thinking and increase Republican elected officials through executing a program aligned with four long-term goals:


I think that if an African American really does his research he/she would find the Republican/Conservatives go as far back as the struggle began



The Republican Party was first organized in 1854, growing out of a coalition of anti-slavery Whigs and Free Soil Democrats who mobilized in opposition to Stephen Douglas's January 1854 introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Act into Congress, a bill which repealed the 1820 Missouri Compromise prohibition on slavery north of latitude 36° 30' in the old Louisiana purchase territories, and so was viewed as an aggressive expansionist pro-slavery maneuver by many. Besides opposition to slavery, the new party put forward a radical vision of modernizing the United States—emphasizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry and cities, while promising free homesteads to farmers.


Historians have explored the ethnocultural foundations of the party, along the line that ethnic and religious groups set the moral standards for their members, who then carried those standards into politics. The churches also provided social networks that politicians used to sign up voters. The pietistic churches emphasized the duty of the Christian to purge sin from society. Sin took many forms—alcoholism, polygamy and slavery became special targets for the Republicans. The Yankees, who dominated New England, much of upstate New York, and much of the upper Midwest were the strongest supporters of the new party. This was especially true for the pietistic Congregationalists and Presbyterians among them and (during the war), the Methodists, along with Scandinavian Lutherans. The Quakers were a small tight-knit group that was heavily Republican. The liturgical churches (Roman Catholic, Episcopal, German Lutheran), by contrast, largely rejected the moralism of the Republican Party; most of their adherents voted Democratic.



I could go on but the rest is for you to find>So please dont call our brothers and sisters who see the destruction of our great country names because they choose to embrace a political party that fought for our freedom




posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Divide and conquer has worked great for the elite so far. You live in a one party system to my understanding, with the illusion of division to divert the blame from the people behind the scenes and turn you againt each other. It doesnt matter what race, religion or political party you are from, we are all members of the same race, the human race. It is time to unite, deep down we all want the similar things, love peace and prosperity. Two words in your title OP "black" and "democrat" are both words used to create division where there shouldnt be any. Its time we fight with the people who are truely responsible instead of falling for their ingenious methods of turning us against each other.


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posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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egad...

now someone will no doubt start a thread about how middle and lower class whites are brainwashed into being republicans.

OPs, your correct...Republicans are not racist, but you will find a very disproportunate amount of racists are coincidently republican.

As far as your quotes of Frederick Douglass, Understand that the republican party of the 19th century = the Democratic party of the 20th/21st century...they completely flip flopped. A bit of a hint should be directly in the quote you used (if your not open to a long historical understanding of the flip).

2:I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and [bprogress.
Frederick Douglass


The Democratic party of today, the ones touting progress (omg, progressives), liberty (omg, liberals), and equality mirror exactly what the republican party...the northern ideals party...was during the civil war era if you want to truely focus in there.

As far as the militant black panthers...you know what the worst event a warrior finds in life?
Peace.

So, when the Dems were marching for civil rights, being blocked by republicans, do you think the hard militants were truely miserable? hell no...a warrior seeks conflict...once the conflict is won...they want more. Human psychology

Your historical understanding is lacking...but good luck with the thread anyhow.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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Honestly, do you think any of those people you quoted from over 150 years ago would still agree that the 'GOP is for me!'

We all know that besides the name, it's not the same. Take a look at what Gov. McDonnel's (the moderate) had to say. And look at how all the republicans cried that he was forced to add a blurb about slavery re: the civil war. Something tells me Lincoln, Douglass, and basically any registered republican of that era would pretty much not agree, and thus would not fit in with the base of today's GOP.

I mean, maybe I'm underestimating the influence of the five (5) black people the AP could find for their story on black teabaggers.
Would you say homosexuals are being brainwashed too?

I think it's much easier to put forth the theory that poor white males are the one's being brainwashed into supporting the party of the elites, no?

Honestly, I think black people are more or less voting their self-interest, w/o being brainwashed. If a black person rises up to be one of the elites, then it is more likely they will vote their self-interests as well. Race, gender, and SES are all still, unfortunately and undeniably, independent factors relating to poverty.

Best,
Skunknuts

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posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:04 PM
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Understood..but in your words the flip flopping of the parties,seems to be happening again and that we should return to the first......the original,this was not a thread to seperate but to let some now that its easy to accept something that earlier generations embraced.

Also to point out that republicans are not racial gun waving maniacs..and as for my history i think its fine...for me



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:06 PM
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Eldrige Cleaver was not born 150 years ago...and i could have used lots of names...Hell even J J from good times is a republican i think there is to much racial tension



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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From what I see, the current Dems are abandoning the left and moving center/center right in many areas.

The right is however not moving to the left to fill the void...but rather seems to be either going far right, or just in incomprehensible circles mirroring the center, but saying they are not center...

The RNC is in a state of meltdown and splintering up...however, should the Dems keep pushing more to the right side of center, no doubt factioning will occur there.

This may be a good thing...then we may have a 6 party system verses a 2 party system...



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by alchemist2012
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Eldrige Cleaver was not born 150 years ago...and i could have used lots of names...Hell even J J from good times is a republican i think there is to much racial tension



Just curious, would you say your upbringing was average compared to the typical AA? Why do you think you are in the 7-10% of GOP AA'a?

Best,
SN

P.S. Also, the GOP is very different from when Cleaver took his last breath. Teabaggers and Palin were but a sparkle in the Alaskan sky.

PPS. What party does this most resemble? Sounds like stuff that would elicit screams of 'SOCIALISM!'


Besides opposition to slavery, the new party put forward a radical vision of modernizing the United States—emphasizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry and cities, while promising free homesteads to farmers.




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[edit on 4/8/2010 by skunknuts]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:14 PM
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Not i grew up in pre Katrina new orleans..and everything i got i earned but i see my family dancing around like bafoons about a health care bill they no nothing of.there stuck in the democratic"hand out mentality"and that is what dooms american blacks.because whether you agree or not a vast majority of my own people get there political policies from 106th and park or MTV



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by skunknuts

Originally posted by alchemist2012
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P.S. Also, the GOP is very different from when Cleaver took his last breath. Teabaggers and Palin were but a sparkle in the Alaskan sky.

PPS. What party does this most resemble? Sounds like stuff that would elicit screams of 'SOCIALISM!'


Besides opposition to slavery, the new party put forward a radical vision of modernizing the United States—emphasizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry and cities, while promising free homesteads to farmers.






point taken..But wasnt Cleaver's switch during the regan era??



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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SaturnFX has adressed most of my concerns. If Douglas were alive today he would not be a member of the GOP. More than likely those historical figures of liberty would all be independenta today. I think your taking the brainwashing thing to far. Most military men are Republican because they have a reputation for increasing the military funding. If you think for yourself it has nothing to do with race. I'm black both parents Democrats and was raised Christian. I am neither now. Check the signature. If your a sheep your a sheep its that simple.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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What I find great is that you're both right!
The shell game goes on right before our eyes, here's another instance.
Thank you very much!


gj



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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I do not want to get into the two party system for myself, but I was just thinking on this subject today. Thanks for sharing.
All my acquaintances who go to a certain large local church that is full of mostly caucasian wealthy people will vote exactly as the church recommends. I was just pondering this morning how not one of these business leaders, teachers, or community women would dare talk against any of the the Republican party planks simply because the church follows one party only. I find it ludicrous! There is something wrong when 14 million influential people vote only one way out of loyalty without any discussion of the issues. Just because someone said, or the next guy did it, or most of all because someone might find out and ridicule or reject you.
All I can say is thank heaven's it is not me !



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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Remember George "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever" Wallace standing in the door of an Alabama schoolhouse to keep black children from being able to go to school with whites? George Wallace was a Democrat. Remember Bull Connor turning water hoses and dogs on civil rights protestors? Bull Connor was a Democrat.

But, what about the revolutionary Civil Rights Act of 1964? That's where the Democrats showed their mettle and Republicans were proven to be racists. Right? Wrong. 82% of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 versus only 64% of Democrats. Furthermore, a few years later, it was Republican Richard Nixon who first put teeth behind affirmative action.

You'd think that with Democrats receiving upwards of 90% of the black vote in some cases, that there would be few, if any, prominent black Republicans while black Americans would be amongst the biggest power players in the Democratic Party. However, the opposite has often turned out to be true. Once you look past the gerrymandered districts that have to remain in place because so many liberal whites simply won't vote for black candidates (There are only five black Democrats in the House representing majority white districts), you'll see that the Republican Party has surpassed the Democrats in many areas.

Who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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Conservative black man here.

In my experience, and with parents that were dems until the day they died, there IS a certain assumption within the black community, particularly in the southeast, that 'black=democrat' . REGARDLESS of ideology.

In fact, a black conservative or, God forbid, republican, was and is almost always regarded as suspect. It is truly a hampering affect that only education can remove.

Hopefully in time, more critical thinking and less herd-mentality will rule the day.


For all of us, of any race.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by alchemist2012
reply to post by skunknuts
 
Not i grew up in pre Katrina new orleans..and everything i got i earned but i see my family dancing around like bafoons about a health care bill they no nothing of.there stuck in the democratic"hand out mentality"and that is what dooms american blacks.because whether you agree or not a vast majority of my own people get there political policies from 106th and park or MTV



Actually by the tone of your posts it sounds like you've been brainwashed by the military. You do know were in an illegal war. "Hand out mentality" of Democrats wow they've got you. What about all those nonworking southern whites whose states are staunchly republican and produce very little GNP and totally subsidized by the Democratic northern states.

You are sterotyping and its easy to do as I have just shown.

As for your reply most of it I cannot refute. But once again today isn't 1964.
Clarence Thomas you mean the man whose against the affirmative action that got him grad school and his first sitting position. Collin Powell the man that wrote off on an illegal war for Bush to later rescind his position and quit when it no longer mattered. Condi Rice the woman who perpetuated the wmd theory around the world and endorsed premptive strikes. None of those people can be considered assets to black people in my opinion.

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posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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Great points indeed..again all im saying is that the ultra far left paint republicans as racist noy saying that all republicans are loving.But democratic politics have crippled the black community for far to long



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:34 PM
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Blacks should do like anyone else in this nation and be thinker for themselves. Do what you want. Go with the party you want.

Go with the constitution, dump the two others parties.

It's a sad state of affairs when race is still a way to divide people...



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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the way i see it, you can't really be "brainwashed" to think a certain way. I was raised in a conservative and religious household yet my cousin *who had a similar upbringing* and my step siblings turned out polar opposites of the generation before us. The thing that really helped was not buying the whole *that's the way it is* way of thought while thinking about religious and political issues on our own. We're all liberals and in a way, we've taught our parents to be more accepting of other individuals in regards to political points of view, religious beliefs, and sexual preference. So in order for one to be truly brainwashed, one must have a single way of thought and be closed to any others, even if they make more logical sense.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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You do know were in an illegal war.


If it is lets not forget that the brave ones fighting are not the ones who started and they are only doing what is required for us to have the freedom to have this conversation.And the military has not brainwashed me but instilled things in me like discipline and the love of Country





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