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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by captaintyinknots
I see someone is REALLY losing this debate and is getting really angry.
Already pulled the race card, accused someone of having the same IQ as them.
Said the thread has to be closed.
What debate techniques are these?
Health Insurance=Product
Mandate=Forced
Future possibility=more forced purchases of products.
Hopefully laying it out as a SIMPLE math formula will help.
Originally posted by lilwolf
reply to post by captaintyinknots
the op is hypothetical... and clrearly you never specified what part you did not like...
and my statements against the obamam are accrate.
www.cnn.com...
voices.washingtonpost.com...
now here is a good question for you and you need to think about it for awhile before you ramble on..
Has obama violated the seperation of powers?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
To the blind people shouting the government cannot do whatever, get real!
The government CAN tell you to Jump in the Furnace and burn....
They have before...
You're like the guys who told the Wright Brothers they could not fly, it is impossible! Except you are telling them that in 1910...a bit late...
[edit on 29-3-2010 by muzzleflash]
Originally posted by Light of Night
I'm going to jump in now.
When the government writes and passes a law that says you have to purchase this product or we will either tax you for not purchasing it, or throw you in jail for not paying the tax, then the government can tell you to do what ever you want.
Don't think it will come to the government telling you to buy a GM product? The government already owns 60% interest in GM so what is stopping them from pulling the same thing? You can buy that Honda or Ford, but upon doing so you have to pay a 50% extra tax.
Want to take out a school loan? Okay that's fine but you have to get a federal loan because you have to pay a tax on that private loan for every payment that you make.
And so on and so forth. The point is that we are beyond hypothetical at this point and this is reality, if the mandate in the Health Care bill is allowed to stand. Also the mandate for buying a GM product will come in the form of well the faster you get them to turn a profit the faster we can sell our interest in the company. Which for all intents and purposes they have no intentions selling.
Also people respect words on paper because with out respecting those words, the world would complete and utter chaos.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by lilwolf
reply to post by captaintyinknots
the op is hypothetical... and clrearly you never specified what part you did not like...
and my statements against the obamam are accrate.
www.cnn.com...
voices.washingtonpost.com...
now here is a good question for you and you need to think about it for awhile before you ramble on..
Has obama violated the seperation of powers?
Actually, i did. I pointed out that it is nothing but fear-mongering.
But hey, i noticed you are completely abandoning your previous argument. Why is that?
Originally posted by lilwolf
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by lilwolf
reply to post by captaintyinknots
the op is hypothetical... and clrearly you never specified what part you did not like...
and my statements against the obamam are accrate.
www.cnn.com...
voices.washingtonpost.com...
now here is a good question for you and you need to think about it for awhile before you ramble on..
Has obama violated the seperation of powers?
Actually, i did. I pointed out that it is nothing but fear-mongering.
But hey, i noticed you are completely abandoning your previous argument. Why is that?
since health service or insurance is not covered under the commerce clause then to make people pay for a product or service they do not wish to have..is a direct violation of the constitution and commerce clause...
and I have abandoned nothing at all... you have called me a KKK member and made numerous race card statements and inflammatory remarks about others here... you have gotten ticked off... and yet you have nothing to say except ... "fear mongering"
Ya know i have heard so many people make a statement like that as their only finger of defense... so why not address the entire items and the last question I posed to you.. which was :
Has obama violated the seperation of powers.??
Has obama violated the seperation of powers.??
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Tell me one point that has caused me to 'lose" this argument?
Show me where I am getting mad.
Youre right, i am frustarated with the sheer paranoia spewed forth here. Frustration is not anger.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Did you read your own source? It is an outlandish hypothetical. It is sensationalism, nothing more.
Your thread title is "Government Can Force Us to Buy General Motors". That is a flat out lie.
This thread needs to be removed.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
...Explain something to me: How can anyone force anyone to BUY anything?
Originally posted by Light of Night
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
Thanks, you could have put the hammer down a few pages back.
reply to post by lilwolf
Has obama violated the seperation of powers.??
I'll answer your question for you.
Yes he has, by him and his administration being explicitly involved in the process of writing and passing the bill. The most he can do is outline what he wants and hope Congress delivers a bill that resembles his outline.
If this was somebody from the right in office right now the MSM would be howling about process in which this bill has been written and passed. Of course because it is who it is they say things like "who cares about process" etc.
Now, IF it's in the Countries Interest to keep their Population Healthy and Strong, If it Benifits Everyone, Regardless of Age, Race, Religion and beliefs then Why Not?
Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
I'm taking a more back seat approach to this because this is my first thread
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Man, i wish the real world was that black and white...