Hey You... Yeah, you! The one complaining about the Healthcare Reform Bill...

reply to post by kozmo


After 94, I would hope that the American people have learned not to EVER give the GOP the majority again. Fact of the matter is, I think that there needs to be more (I)s in our legislative branch and less (R) and (D).

And screw TPM Independents, because they are just right wing nuts. I am talking REAL Independent candidates.

Face it, some may buy this GOP Fear campaign, but I hope that the majority of America can see it for what it really is, a FEAR campaign, based on lies and manipulations.

To some it may seem that the government didn't listen to them, to others, it may seem that the government did. I know I have written and called my representatives in Congress and told them what I want them to do. Unfortunately for me in my district, the Representative is a Republican and voted against this bill.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

Originally posted by shadowkhas
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Yep, you're right. Taxing the rich in order to make life better for the poor never works. That's why the Nordic countries are among the saddest, most decrepit nations in the world.

Oh...wait.

Thats also why they'll never amount to anything either. Tell me, besides their greatest export which are the people that saw what a socialistic hole they were living in, what do they do? What have they done? Where do these people that are stifled by the socoalism run to? America.....

Go ahead and ask these people if they are pissed to have this country turn into what they ran from or happy because it reminds them of home.

Your brain actually compares Obama and health care to hitler war and killing jews.. That really limits anything you have to say "dont call my mind the numbers unlisted, and dont get it wrong i'm warped and i'm twisted" sums it up.

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Actually this is about man helping other man, this is about America being the last super power in the world and people dying sick on the streets. This is about the old man alone who has no one to help or take care of him and cant afford it.

I only wish it was that pure or that simple, but it is far from either. You don't need a bill this size affecting EVERY one in America to help those in need.

This is much more about control than helping your fellow man.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by kozmo

 

After 94, I would hope that the American people have learned not to EVER give the GOP the majority again. Fact of the matter is, I think that there needs to be more (I)s in our legislative branch and less (R) and (D).

And screw TPM Independents, because they are just right wing nuts. I am talking REAL Independent candidates.

Face it, some may buy this GOP Fear campaign, but I hope that the majority of America can see it for what it really is, a FEAR campaign, based on lies and manipulations.

To some it may seem that the government didn't listen to them, to others, it may seem that the government did. I know I have written and called my representatives in Congress and told them what I want them to do. Unfortunately for me in my district, the Representative is a Republican and voted against this bill.

Fully agree there, more viable 3rd party who arnt just the same old song and dance too afraid to run on the right ticket.

reply to post by Snarf


Wrong wrong and wrong. What makes you think people were fro socialism under Bush and against socialism under Obama? Its a crappy argument. Truth of the matter is they were just as pissed under Bush and are now at the point of getting vocal and better organized. It takes a lot to get Americans this fired up over policy and this resentment has been on a slow burn for the better part of the last decade.

reply to post by davec0021

I can't figure out why the Patriot Act and it's many revisions have passed with so little ease and the only protests I've witnessed have been little more than some conspiratorial rants on public boards.

In this country - action is spurred by the media.

The media didn't oppose the patriot act, because it would have appeared unpatriotic.

The media SHOWS opposition to the healthcare bill, because it gets ratings. People with guns at a "tea party" gets a few people to tune in.

So, idiot #1 see's Idiots's #342,922 , #342,182 , and #229,112 at a tea party carrying a gun, and they go join the cause, because? They saw it on TV.

Not because they know what they're talking about, but because they do what they're told.

That *IS* America.

And i didn't even have to put it in a nutshell.

reply to post by Xtrozero


How would we help then? Its clear that if left up to people, we sit and watch others die on emergency room floors, and leave them laying there without even getting up to change the channel on the tv.. So just left up to us doesnt work, what could we do?

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ShogunAssassins]

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


I'm not claiming that everyone who opposes the bill are also bush supporters.

I AM claiming that an overwhelming majority of people who oppose the bill are doing so because the GOP mothership is telling them to.

No other reason.

Just because a fraction of a % of opposers are opposing on equal grounds as 9 years ago, doesn't mean the opposition is any less petty.


All forms of government can learn something from Republicans.

They stick together like steamed rice from Panda Express. If Dick Cheney were to go on national TV tomorrow and say that jabbing needs in your eyeballs was patriotic, we'd have a national shortage of needles in this country.

Its pathetic.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by Snarf]

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

37% of your take-home pay went in health costs (insurances, plus actual, etc.) ?

You must have struggled to make sense of it !

We in other countries hear about the ...what's a word to describe it? Massive - Ridiculous - Unsustainable - Unjustifiable - Unbelievable cost of heath-care in the US. But I doubt many of us would ever have believed Americans were having to pay so much

That answer was a pretty high example and not average, IMO. Healthcare insurance costs vary dramatically, which is part of the problem.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics in their publication "Consumer Expenditures in 2005" ( www.bls.gov... ) the average consumer unit (household - a family consisting of an average of 2.5 people) spent $2,664 on healthcare in 2005.

2008, U.S. health care spending was about $7,681 per resident and accounted for 16.2% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP); this is among the highest of all industrialized countries. Total health care expenditures grew at an annual rate of 4.4 percent in 2008, a slower rate than recent years, yet still outpacing inflation and the growth in national income

1. $ 12,680 — Average annual premium for family healthcare coverage in 2008
2. $12,106 — Average for family healthcare coverage in 2007
3. $ 11,480 — Average in 2006
4. $10,880 — Average in 2005
5. $9,950 — Average in 2004

That number would be higher now in 2010 as health care costs increase well over the cost of inflation. Reform is needed, however the health bill that has passed both houses leaves out important parts of said reform. It could have been a very comprehensive bill had we had bipartisan ideas incorporated..... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore here in the U.S.

Will Americans still need to pay insurance under the new Health bill ?

Or will they be able to dump insurance, pay the health-care levy (approx. 2.5 %) and then pay extra for specialists should they choose to ?

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

I'm not claiming that everyone who opposes the bill are also bush supporters.

I AM claiming that an overwhelming majority of people who oppose the bill are doing so because the GOP mothership is telling them to.

No other reason.

Just because a fraction of a % of opposers are opposing on equal grounds as 9 years ago, doesn't mean the opposition is any less petty.


All forms of government can learn something from Republicans.

They stick together like steamed rice from Panda Express. If Dick Cheney were to go on national TV tomorrow and say that jabbing needs in your eyeballs was patriotic, we'd have a national shortage of needles in this country.

Its pathetic.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by Snarf]

So opposition and disagreement is petty now? I know I know it all would be more convenient if people just agreed. And more importantly agreed with you because you're right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong. Just ask you.

Thank god for the republicans not just saying no but hell no to socialism. At least they stand for something. Not like the spineless weasels like Stupak who in the end compromise their morals to vote on party lines.

Oh man, where are the free speech police! Help! I can't stand someone else having an opinion. Your right, health care has kept people entertained and will likely entertain for sometime longer. The issues you mentioned where likely covered but action isn't what ATS is about. If the subject is important it usually gets berried pretty darn quick.

Quote: 'Unfortunately for me in my district, the Representative is a Republican and voted against this bill'.............If they are supposed to be working for you and don't listen.....VOTE THEM OUT at the next election. And inform them what you intend to do. How many Americans commenting on the Health Bill don't bother to vote. If there is one thing your Congressman is counting on, it's APATHY.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts

Our debt increased under clinton like it has with every president.