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Originally posted by Mumbotron
reply to post by Subjective Truth
I think it's obvious that the majority of people who have a problem with the health care bill are expressing a conservative viewpoint. That's right, the viewpoint that says "I don't want to pay more taxes" and "the government should stay out of private enterprise" are notoriously right wing points of view. Call it what you want, but for the sake simplicity you can just call them conservatives, or republicans.
Originally posted by Mumbotron
reply to post by Subjective Truth
I think it's obvious that the majority of people who have a problem with the health care bill are expressing a conservative viewpoint. That's right, the viewpoint that says "I don't want to pay more taxes" and "the government should stay out of private enterprise" are notoriously right wing points of view. Call it what you want, but for the sake simplicity you can just call them conservatives, or republicans.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
OK, I will state right up front that this has just got me steamed up! I log on tonight to find both my facebook page and naturally, ATS just brimming with the "OH NOEZ, WE'RE DOOMED" partisan panic crowd screaming the sky is falling because those evil bastard Democrats passed a Healthcare Reform Bill. How dare they spend our tax dollars!! OK, I have just one question for you 'Conservatives'...
What do you mean by conservatives? Is this partisan? Now that I am proving what I have been saying will you follow your own advice? It is hard to argue with people that don't understand reality. It is like arguing with a child that wants its way. Have I made my point or do you need me to draw you a picture also?
Originally posted by Mumbotron
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
OK, I will state right up front that this has just got me steamed up! I log on tonight to find both my facebook page and naturally, ATS just brimming with the "OH NOEZ, WE'RE DOOMED" partisan panic crowd screaming the sky is falling because those evil bastard Democrats passed a Healthcare Reform Bill. How dare they spend our tax dollars!! OK, I have just one question for you 'Conservatives'...
What do you mean by conservatives? Is this partisan? Now that I am proving what I have been saying will you follow your own advice? It is hard to argue with people that don't understand reality. It is like arguing with a child that wants its way. Have I made my point or do you need me to draw you a picture also?
There's your answer to your trolly sounding question. That is the post to which I was responding that got you all excited.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
OK, I will state right up front that this has just got me steamed up! I log on tonight to find both my facebook page and naturally, ATS just brimming with the "OH NOEZ, WE'RE DOOMED" partisan panic crowd screaming the sky is falling because those evil bastard Democrats passed a Healthcare Reform Bill. How dare they spend our tax dollars!! OK, I have just one question for you 'Conservatives'...
WHY WEREN'T YOU THIS UPSET WHEN BUSH AND CHENEY WERE GOING THROUGH OUR MONEY LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS ON SHORE LEAVE???
Where was your anger when Bush gave a huge tax cut to his rich buddies and created the damn deficit that being added to now??? At least that adulterous worm Clinton left a SURPLUS when he left office! Or is it OK if they waste our tax money as long as they have a frakkiin' (R) after their names????
Here's another question for all of you GENIUSES out there: Remember those really EVIL variable rate mortgages that were given out to people who couldn't afford to pay them once the rate 'varied'??? You know, the financial instruments that caused the housing market to collapse, put MILLIONS of Americans out of work, and had the Wall Street Banksters getting bailed out by us taxpayers??? Why are those frakkin' things still legal??? Why hasn't ANYONE from EITHER side of the aisle proposed legislation to make those wretched things ILLEGAL???
NO!!!
I'll tell you why, because ALL politicians, whether they have a (D) or an (R) after there names work for the same people, THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS!!!
So go ahead and whine and moan about the damn Healthcare Reform Bill... You have EXACTLY the kind of Government you DESERVE!!!
IDIOTS!
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by EMPIRE
Budget surplus, and yes he did... He couldn't keep his Johnson in his pants, but he could stay within a budget, and actually spend less than what was brought in...
Originally posted by Mumbotron
reply to post by Subjective Truth
So what, you didn't directly express your political affiliation. All I said is you and the other people who take strong issue with this are mostly expressing what is traditionally a Conservative viewpoint. That's pretty simple, now I hope we can put an end to this trollish sidetrack into the irrelevant.
Originally posted by dashar
I have chronic pancreatic condition through having gallstones stuck in bile duct,i am also left with scarring on liver fibrosis /cirrhosis.I attend certain forums with other people who have these conditions and i am always envious of how Americans got seen to very quickly ,not to mention countless specialized test what was done on blood work for the Americans,things like monitoring proteins,and lots of other important blood enzyme tests or screens,basically i am saying i hope you get a better system than ours in the damp UK.Which is fine for mundane things like i have had a broken ankle twice ,also tonsils taken out when young, But for the last ten years since my gallbladder erupted, which i was in massive rolling on the floor pain,might i add check any forum in the uk this is common to be sent home in agony with pills all the time getting more damage to organs a i had 4 acute attacks ,on the fourth attack after takeing everything from tramadol,codiene,and morphine finally something what worked the morph.,they booked a second scan and they said oh we should of sent you for an ERCP 15 stones in gallblader 4 in bile duct,i am mad in pain very poorly this was 4th attack in so many months a diff doctor every time,this guy he was a good doc at AE i tried 3 diff hospitals all have same protocol they risk damageing you doctors told me the system is wrong and ops should be done to prevent damage soon as swelling down within a week without eating more in his opinion, this booking of ERCP cost me about a week of pain in hospital,then they sent me home saying i need gallbladder out so i go home 4 months later and to come in to hospital at Christmas, i go man luck,,A shootings happen in Manchester UK,I am catapulted back,, i am put to the back again ,doc comes apologies says hes sorry but the man drug dealer who was shot took my slot in theatre a few peoples slots and now him and his team are going home for Christmas armed police guarding this man all over hospital frightening"he must of been a grass" ,any way the doc he sent me home after me being in for 4 days christmas eve i still couldnt eat even soup kicked me off. missed loads chris shopping,i was sent home with pills got an operation appointment for another 4 mths away, when a new building they have was to open doing same day in and out keyhole surgery. went in had it done now i have permanent damage to pancreas from stones stuck in duct blocking enzymes , i now take with food pancrex/pancreotin/creo , daily mst 2 morning 2 night with morphine for brake through pain , even now meat makes me very ill also preservatives in food like cakes dairy "LIFE SUCKS FOR ME" i am living on chips and soup.now anyone who reads this go to a forum where people with gallbladder /pancreas/liver problems in the uk and read/listen to horrific stories,i have asked consultants to run certain tests,They reply we dont do them here its not America "honestly"In a heath care system you dont have a say in your health, its this choice or rules determined from who or cost cutting always saving money t,what i mean is the forums i attend in America people get sorted fast. Yes thee is the odd horror story but docs are driven by huge amounts of cash from insurance so they test you for all eventualities everything. even the specialized blood work tests for breakdown of food and stuff also how well its working and if you need ajustments they guess with amount of pancrex here which can destroy your stomach. we only get 1 type blood test called LFT, "liver function test" maybe a urine sample 24 hour had one in ten years this is all i want to say, if you are working then stick to your insurance .IN the Bas t uk ,People with the money register with bupa for fast prompt private care but still have to pay for both NHS and bupa, YOU carnt get away from gov its both or you stick with the one gov NHS paid from wages. BUPA which is private and my brother has it well the millions who can afford this well they have left the NHS to back of mind bet you havent heard of that in America ,so why carnt you IN usa have both.
Originally posted by calstorm
reply to post by Mumbotron
Hmmm, I wonder who old you think I am. When I grow up? You mean like when I am 80? Sorry middle age is creeping close enough as it is. When I have health problems and need insurance? Been there done that and dr.s couldn't do anything for me that's why I turned to alternative medicine. You assume way to much about me.
Edited for posting while half asleep
[edit on 22-3-2010 by calstorm]