What would you do? A hypothetical question about airport scanners: security vs. privacy

reply to post by LordBucket


Wasn't that picture debunked because it is actually some CD of royalty-free photos of a nude woman?

911debunkers.blogspot.com...

Just wondering...

I would wave as I drove past the airport in my car.

Second line.

reply to post by whatukno


iwouldgoaroundthecornerandstayetthehotel! im now concerned about the newest suprmod...what does he do again?

reply to post by Lillydale


yes,thestarcamefromme...hopeurnotoffendedbutifursorrynotintendedjustseemedlikeagoodplace2jumpin

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

child porn?
Is that really an issue with full body scans?

How about look at the pictures and you tell me?

Thanks for showing us that Alex likes his naked ladies as much as he like to spread lies. Sorry but those are stock photos and not at all representative of the actual scans.

Originally posted by plainmike
reply to post by Lillydale

 

yes, the star came from me... hope u r not offended but if u r sorry not intended just seemed like a good place 2 jumpin

Problems with the space bar over there?

Offended by a star? Not at all. Shucks thanks. Why might I be offended?

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reply to post by whatukno

Wasn't that picture debunked because it is
actually some CD of royalty-free photos of a nude woman?

After some comparing, that image does look an awful lot like the stock photo. It's unfortuante, because I did go so far as to check the original news source rather than simply taking what Alex was saying at face value. It seems the image on the german news site was photoshopped. So I'll withdraw that angle for now.

Still waiting for anyone to give me any evidence that these scans would stop terrorism.


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reply to post by LordBucket

Still waiting for anyone to give me any evidence that these scans would stop terrorism.

Don't hold your breath on that one

reply to post by LordBucket


Glad that is put to rest...here is the problem. You can't really define that variable because it hasn't happened yet. I think we can agree that the scanners aren't in full force yet right? So how can we compare numbers to what hasn't happened yet?

-Kyo

Originally posted by LordBucket
Still waiting for anyone to give me any evidence that these scans would stop terrorism.

Do guns, cameras, law enforcement stop crime? How can you expect scans to do so?
Does that mean you want to sit back and do nothing?
Maybe your questions should be: will scans deter terrorism?
Answer: Yes, because the Islamic code of modesty for women narrows the field of terrorists to men and we can fight men easier when 50% of the terrorists are eliminated.
You seem to be blaming government for taking security measures. That's their job. Instead blame the guys who made the world what it is on 911. Huh, how about that?

reply to post by KyoZero

You can't really define that variable because it hasn't happened yet.

Ok...so by your logic, we might also try wearing bright red leotards to stop terrorism, since after all, we can't know if that will work until we try it.

You'll need to do better than "gee, I don't know" to justify spending billions of dollars and creating all sorts of privacy issues just to "try it out."

reply to post by JJay55

Do guns, cameras, law enforcement stop crime?
How can you expect scans to do so?

So you agree that the scanners will not stop terrorists.

Ok. Good.

Instead blame the guys who made the world what it is on 911.

As far as I'm concered, terrorists did not change the world on that day. The destruction of two buildings thousands of miles away in a state I've never been to had no effect on me whatsoever. The most succesfull terrorist action in the entire history of the planet earth killed roughly as many people as two weeks worth of US traffic accidents.

What has affected me is all the people overreacting to the event. Changes in security measures at airports. People babbling incessantly about how the "world is different." Conversations like this one in which people try to justify to me that I need to get naked on camera so they can feel safe.

THAT is what has changed in my world, and it wasn't the terrorists who did that.

It's people like you who want to change the world in reaction to events that didn't affect you any more than they affected me.

It's you people who are the instruments of terrorism.

you want to sit back and do nothing?

Yes.

Terrorist events are such an insignificant, tiny, meaningless factor in the world that the solutions being proposed make no more sense than burning your arm off with a blowtorch to disinfect a papercut. Like I cited you a couple pages back, terrorists kill fewer people than lightning strikes. I don't see you suggesting that everybody needs to wear three inch thick insulated boots, or that we arrest people who go outdoors in the rain.

In the past five years, four people in the US have died to terrorist actions. Changing our entire society and way of life in reaction to something that kills less than one person per year is utterly stupid.


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reply to post by sos37


I have already chosen plane 2.

I will never fly commercially again. I either drive, or hitch a ride with someone that has a private plane.

I really dislike being stripped of my constitutional rights, and refuse to go to commercial airports anymore. I like to be armed with at least a handgun at all times.

So in your hypothetical situation, I would get on the plane that requires no security, and carry a gun. If someone tried to hi-jack the plane, I was on, I would shoot them.

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reply to post by whatukno

Don't hold your breath on that one

Yeah, I won't be holding my breath.

reply to post by LordBucket

Obviously you aren't in the airline industry but I am and we took a big hit on that day. Labor costs were cut, people were put in dangerous situations, and yes terrorism did change the US on that day. Further, terrorists have a distinct 7 phase plan that hasn't even kicked off yet.

Obviously you aren't in the emergency management business either, but I am and 911 was quite a challenge in that area also.

Obviously you aren't in a position for decision making because your passive approach isn't how business, industry or government works.

I think you are probably a kid who just likes to complain. Maybe you can choose a career in Emergency Management and see if you can make a difference in the world, but you would probably have to get off the internet and study.

reply to post by JJay55


I'll take that as an attempt to strike a nerve, but fortunately nothing you've said hits much of anything.

*shrug*


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Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by JJay55

What has affected me is all the people overreacting to the event. Changes in security measures at airports. People babbling incessantly about how the "world is different." Conversations like this one in which people try to justify to me that I need to get naked on camera so they can feel safe.


[edit on 3-2-2010 by LordBucket]

As opposed to people overreacting to a non-existant child porn ring due to airport scanners?

See the thing is you twisted my words..quite well in fact

We do not have widespread scanners true. We don't have stats yet...true

that does NOT mean that it won't deter or fix the terrorist issue. It only means tha we have yet to see. You apparently have no statistics regarding the scanners but have instantly written them off as pointless. Meanwhile you jump into this few-page-long tirade regarding cild porn which you finally recanted when you realized that it had no basis. Who is overreacting?

-Kyo

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by LordBucket

 

Obviously you aren't in the emergency management business either, but I am and 911 was quite a challenge in that area also.

I was a paramedic at the time and was working as a 911 dispatcher for some Chicago burbs...it affected people BIG time

-Kyo

reply to post by sos37


What a great post!

No doubt, my family and I are on Plane 1

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by KyoZero

You'll need to do better than "gee, I don't know" to justify spending billions of dollars and creating all sorts of privacy issues just to "try it out."

and you'll have to do better than "OMG CHILD PORN!!!" to justify us not using it

-Kyo