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posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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i have to say you have done an excellent job actually providing answers rather then relying on heresay or smart comments to make your point like many others, i definitely applaud you for that


Thanks for the compliments and my apologies for not replying sooner. The problem with this entire incident goes back to people not accepting evidence. There is nothing he can do to satisfy the claims of many birthers. People will still say he is the antichrist, still say the certificate is forged, etc. Simply put, you can’t please everyone and trying to please these people doesn’t show strength but shows weakness. Personally, if it were myself, I wouldn’t show it either as many of the birthers have been extremely hostile to this man. And let me say this again, I don’t like Obama. Yes, I believe he is a stooge, and has been a stooge, but going about it the way birthers do simply divides us even more. So look at all the things that divide us when it comes to Obama:

Christian or Muslim
Citizen or Non Citizen
Socialist, communist or nazi?
Is an “African American” capable leading?
Did he plunge us into debt or were we already in debt?
Is he left or right?
Is he a republican or democrat?

Now that’s just the division I felt like typing out but are these things justified? Some would say yes, others no, but the point I’m trying to make is we, as Americans, are not on the same page.




posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
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Typical.Of course I would try to remember to let you know,check my thread history when I'm wrong I admit it.....

[edit on 4-2-2010 by genius/idoit]


BTW...Checking your thread history isn't that easy..

The backslash between "Genius" and "idiot" shows up as "2%f" in the URL, anyone who wants to check out Genius/Idiots history should replace those letters in the URL with a backslash and hit refresh.

These are the threads you have authored JUST THIS YEAR....and we are only one month in!! Obsess much?



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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by genius/idoit
 


Doesn't give up because there are some people who want to see Obama

fail so bad, they don't care if the country goes down the toilet.

Silly Huh


We could support him 100% and see it go down the toilet even faster.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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What a pity that posters here are so ignorant when it comes to the American Constitution.
Soetoro is a dual British/Kenyan or dual British/American citizen.
He may also hold Indonesian citizenship.
As such he is not a natural born American as has been attested on this thread.
Here is the relevant part of the constitution.
Soetoro is Bogus - sorry guys.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:01 AM
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I agree with you! I think ALL Americans have a right to know if their President can legally hold office. obama is on this power trip and he may possibly be getting away with illegal activity. It is obvious that he has something to hide. Why else would he go to such lengths to cover all this up?
If this was a Rebuplican President the media would be on him constantly about this. But, of course the double standard is there and it is okay when it is a President they voted for.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Emilymary
What a pity that posters here are so ignorant when it comes to the American Constitution.
Soetoro is a dual British/Kenyan or dual British/American citizen.
He may also hold Indonesian citizenship.
As such he is not a natural born American as has been attested on this thread.
Here is the relevant part of the constitution.
Soetoro is Bogus - sorry guys.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."


Emilymary: I agree that he most likely is not Natural Born, BUT, and here's the big but, the Constitution does not anywhere DEFINE what Natural Born is. In fact a quick cursory search of the Federal Laws also does not actually anywhere define what natural born really means.

To some, ti could mean a person born, well, naturally, without the need for an operation such as a C-Section... To others, it could mean someone born on our soil, to more it could mean someone with at least one American Parent, the list and conjecture goes on.

There's the crux of this issue, what does Natural Born REALLY mean, since the Constitution itself does not define it, we are all just debating smoke, until a judge or other body (such as congress) actually tells us once and for all what a Natural Born Citizen is.

Otherwise it's all semantics at this point.

Personally though , I can list 15 other reasons Obama shouldn't be in office, but none of them are relevant to this thread.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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Vkey08

One thing we do know is that the Constitution on this point had one very definite objective.
To stop someone holding British nationality in particular, or any other foreign national, from being President.
That is not in dispute.
Soetoro unquestionably holds British nationality by virtue of his paternity.
However it can be taken that the natural born clause must only mean American born of American parentage because they make the exception of those born abroad at the time of the constitution. They specifically say only those born abroad at that time.
Why would they exclude future candidates unless they were specifically demanding they be American and only American. Why would they leave a glaring loophole of dual citizenship?
Now there has been a very recent interpretation of this matter by congress.
It seems it must be an American citizen born on American soil.
I am talking of course about the question of John McCain and his eligibility.
As I understand it some tried to expand on the John McCain's case to extend the clause to others - dual citizens? those born abroad?.
We now can see it was a sneaky move to try to get Soetoro OKed under the McCain case.
However this extension of eligibilty was refused.

As you say the question should be clarified.
It is the most important constitutional question for America since the American civil war.
You would imagine the Supreme Court would be falling over itself to do its job and clarify.
Far from it. Although some of the justices want it heard a majority don't including the Chief Justice who has had private meetings with Soetoro presumably over the issue.
Quite apart of whether he is President or not the dangers inherent in his position for the American people are dire.
For instance if he is hiding something the potential for blackmail is enormous.
However the birth certificate is only one question.
As far as anyone can ascertain, Indonesian Barry Soetoro has never legally become Barak Hussein Obama.
So who is the elected man in the White house.
He doesn't exist - no wonder the figure for supressing any opening on the seals hiding his past details - is approaching two million.
Making good use of his sham Nobel Prize to hide his sham identity.
You couldn't make it up.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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I couldn't agree more, I'm just stating that someone in a position of authority, such as the court needs to once and for all hand down a case precedent that defines Natural Born.

If they don't, all these suits will continue to be chucked out the _

Now don't mistake my wanting a definition on this point to construe that i am in favor of Barry Barack Hesseuin Soetro Obama Williams or whatever his name really is, I am not, I want his rear booted from Pennsylvania Ave faster than the Shuttle reaches cruising height, and of course there are MANY other reasons to boot this man, can we all say Larry Sinclair?



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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If we ever get on the same page we could order many investigations to converge into a complete investigative issue to present to a court and from all aspects covered in the investigation prove who Obama is beyond a shadow of doubt but this can get very technical and may require a court order in one aspect of gathering DNA to prove one issue in the investigation that would require the participation of Obama. Judgements of fake documents are not enough to clear the air of whom Obama actually is and how his mother responded to the legal authority so if she had some agent provide her with transportation that might be the first matter to investigate how she and that Agent was such a good friend to offer help to her and no one else. There are many scenarios that need investigating.

Anyone can do the research at Ancestry.com to define whom were relatives are and at U.S. Census to define whom the neighbors of his grandparents were. What I see is a wrongful act to allow Obama to shield his Birth Certificate from so many government officials and the public because as a candidate for U.S. President he would be required to file a actual Birth Certificate, not a verification of existence as he has done. I also see that it is not constitutional to charge that females must unveil their face in public facilities and airlines if designated because the courts have sided against them continuing to wear it. There should be some Antitrust Laws that protect our rights to know the truth about whom we are to vote, but does not fit into the particular Marketing Schemes, except for Fraud in "Statutes Used in Criminal Antitrust Investigations and Prosecutions".

PRIOR TO ANY INVESTIGATION - HISTORICAL ERA
Fraud:
18 U.S.C. § 201
Bribery of public officials and witnesses
18 U.S.C. § 666
Theft or bribery concerning programs receiving Federal funds
18 U.S.C. § 1001
Statements or entries generally [false statements]
18 U.S.C. § 1341
Frauds and swindles [mail fraud]
18 U.S.C. § 1343
Fraud by wire, radio, or television [wire fraud]

In relation to the above statutes:
If the original certificate that Obama ports is not actually a original but a verification of one which wrongfully represents the actual facts of his birth then the later violation could not be charged to Obama for any and all wire communications regarding the document he is sharing from Hawaii, however that would fit the criteria of a violation in a Swindle if he knowingly represents a document from Hawaii instead of the proported original which does misrepresent facts and generally his actions would be considered false statements entirely the entire time he uses the Hawaiian document as a original replacement. Further examination of his mother having chose to have the Indonesian Barry Soetoro name changed to Obama could be relative to a connection she had with some Federal Agent regarding he options as mother of Obama which led to the discrepancy we now recognize as his name, however we do know this transfer occurred as a result of her options to have his name appear as she wanted it to yet was not ever a DNA resultant argument of whom his actual father was so if there were others we do not know about she was covering up the truth of his father and this question of family DNA connection has yet to be proven even by Obama whom would have to prove he is whom he says and has stated he was to everyone he has made contact with. It is certain that if there were witnesses in a bribery matter to unlawfully change records so that a name or another certificate of birth did not come forth to deny his identity by some Hawaiian Public Officials there would have to be certain proof that this could have and did occur and that would be enough to eliminate Obama as a U.S. Citizen.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Emilymary
Soetoro is a dual British/Kenyan or dual British/American citizen.


Which is it? British/Kenyan or British/American. Or does it even matter? And can you prove it?

He lost his British citizenship when he was 2, as Kenya became independent.
He lost his Kenyan citizenship when he became an adult, so those are both out.



As such he is not a natural born American as has been attested on this thread.


"As such". Can you show us the law or act that supports your position?

Look Here for the Facts on Citizenship



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Bear in mind that simply because his mother was a U.S. Citizen gave he the legal right to alter his certificate as she desired but as for information being omitted from it would not be inclusive of her legal rights and this factor makes me believe there could be some twist to his true identity that would require a lot of research to really get to the bottom of the matter including all other claims of his birth right and nationalities in other countries. Some form of twist might arise as a result of a death of the actual child and a cover-up by a replacement child after separation of the father by a child whom was not related to the actual family which presents the matter of investigators determining whom the doctor was and securing all documents the doctor had even if that doctor were to be a partner in some off-shore volcanic rescue effort and those records be miss-sorted filed under a different pretense otherthan the original hospital. Vitals missing could be the weight of the baby, height of the baby, eye color, hair color, time of birth, and the doctor name and the name of the hospital or some other designation such that would place the doctor in a situation to serve a community during certain times of the day.

You would not allow a doctor to operate without approving of exactly what he were to accomplish would you? The same goes for auto repair, most mechanics tell you before they fix your car to get your approval and they give you a estimate of the cost as well so if something else comes up needing repairs he can then explain furthwer the problem, explain the cost and again get your approval to continue. With that in mind your savings could mount to extra dollars. Yes within a Vital Statistics Section of a Department of Health there are crimes that can occur, after hours call-ins or drop off of documents of proof and even some other person verifying the information whom could be questionable as a U.S. Citizen themselves are just the tip of criminal aspects to consider investigating.in Obama's true identity issue. The courts on this matter of decision of actuality of the certificate have not researched enough to clear the air of what has actually happened in the birth matter of Obama. Without a court having been presented with the matter of significant difference and proof that the identity of Obama is inaccurate a court may toss the matter entirely as a judge did not order the investigation to know the truth himself and this is an act of negligence by our courts to present all cases as complete.

Obama has been described as a Socialist when he is obviously is partial to being a participant in religion rather than a leader in religion telling us a lot about his mentality purpose of covering up his unchangeable Muslim African-Islamic definition he does not worship Islam and is still catering to their knowledge and potential as a religion in the world and America in particular whom he confides in for advise. Two people whom advise Obama are (1) Dalia Mogahed, Obama Adviser on Islam Channel Live, (2) Mohamed Ali Harrath (Terrorist), CEO Islam Channel.

Glenn Beck published a list of 32 czars in the Obama administration, and stated that there could be three more added, creating the positions for a Cyber Czar, a Health Insurance Czar and a Copyright Czar to bring the total to 35. Another Czar listing I found stated 44 Czar's with seven more planned. If Obama had any purpose to make changes to the laws in Hawaii he was going about it wrongfdully as the actions of these Czars will eventually be known so that's why Obama is so strongfully stressing that Democrats must stay in control for 2 terms. Some Czar's have been removed because of poor standing just like Obama's White house Adviser should have been for his outrage over the word 'Retarded' but perhaps Obama agrees partially as he sees himself at times.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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No one specifically can validate a factor of relationship without a DNA study. Suppose you were born, the male parent for some ethical reason decided to kill you since you were the first born then the mother parent decided to divorce the father and upon doing so adopted a child by acceptance and returned to Hawaii to change the name of the child that she was now posing as a American born citizen of Hawaii as the original which was no longer to be recognized by the name of the father parent and this is where Soetoro became Obama but the truth being scattered and hidden by a court system and even our own government makes this fraud caper of concealment a deeply embedded crime that must one day be exposed. Let's now assume that your actually not dead but was switched with a dead child and the mother parent did not recognize you and you grew up which is scenario two that begins another sinister plot of relationship.

Lolo Soetoro and/or Lolo Sutoro: Obama's mother believed in - Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching, Sun Tzu' which is a long cry from being a Christian and she was defined as an agnostic, a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution according to Obama in his book. Ann Dunham left Soetoro in 1972, Ann Dunham Sutoro, is a modern spelling of her former husband's surname. Soetoro wanted more children so why not a plot to obtain his desire. They divorced in 1980 when she started using his modern name and that is funky. Remember that he was a government relations consultant with Mobil Corporation, the US-based international petroleum company. He had plenty of legal advisers she could have got guidance from that led her to a government agent to help her change Barack's name and cover-up the past.

Most Kenyans believe that the activists, Oscar Kamau King'ara and John Paul Oulu, who led the fight to expose extrajudicial police killings in Kenya, were themselves ambushed and shot dead by police officers.

That is my clue that a plot could have taken place much earlier and we have no court backup which would determine if something sinister has happened and through the years Obama came to recognize something wrong with his own birth right and began to cover it up providing a anti-trust issue to occur that he must have been driven near to madness if change did not occur. This item along should be investigated. When Barry Soetoro registered as an attorney, he entered NONE for former names. Yet he registered by Barack Hussein Obama.

Are we on the same page now?



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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The word is not define, it is defy's. They are defying law like a logic cause Infidel is a logic.

The Senate Judiciary Committee has yet to decide according to Obama's actual need of Czar's and had earlier questioned the duty of a White House Czar. I think the decision on Czar's was being derailed by the questionable scandal of Senator John Ensign by Senator Coburn. Obama often marginalizes how he perceives something he would like to make a law instead of cracking the issue open and fully defining a chosen objective and that gets the wrong impression started so it looks that he is intentionally doing this to throw Republicans entirely into another page destination while Democrats are then contacted by his Czar's which define more specific terms of such laws as those committees are chosen to write the document because Obama has written nothing at all for them to go by, its all word of mouth and Obama is the 'Lip Servant' and that is how Obama uses Czar's. Glenn Beck has become a common name in viewer preference on FoxNews and possibly the main target of Obama and the White House against FoxNews Media .

In the case of Lady al-Qaida cited in article "Lady al-Qaida Convicted of Attempted Murder", she wore a white veil covering her head and face with a white scarf and often sat slumped in her chair, during the trial. Women wear the full veil, or burqa, in Afghanistan. Saudi police do not allow a veil to fully cover the face on the streets. The Saudi government bears with the Muslims whom have grown in number that are of the Wahhabi sect, fot his reason Saudis actions are questionable. In Arabic, Hijaab, means covering or concealing which could actually be anything at all. The difference between the hijaab and the khimaar is that the hijaab is something which covers all of a woman’s body, whilst the khimaar in general is something with which a woman covers her head. This is a Niqaab that a woman veils her face (tantaqib), the hijaab is that which covers all the body. A burqa only shows the womans eyes and is in widespread among women, and some of them do not wear it properly. Some scholars have forbidden wearing it on the grounds that it is not Islamic in origin, and because it is used improperly and people treat it as something insignificant, demonstrating negligent attitudes towards it and using new forms of niqaab which are not prescribed in Islam, widening the opening for the eyes so that the cheeks, nose and part of the forehead are also visible. Some of the salaf, then that is permissible, otherwise she should wear something which covers her face entirely. The face, because it is the focus of temptation and desire. A woman is obliged to cover her face in front of anyone who is not her mahram (blood relative to whom marriage is forbidden). From this we learn that the face is the most essential thing to be covered. There is evidence from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the views of the Sahaabah and the imams and scholars of Islam, which indicates that women are obliged to cover all of their bodies in front of those who are not their mahrams. It is OK to cover the face with the niqaab or burqa’ which has two openings for the eyes only, because this was known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and because of necessity. If nothing but the eyes show, this is fine, especially if this is customarily worn by women in her society. The question arose that the burqa should be banned in America as worn by Islamic women. The new rules & regulations in Northwestern China within the Western part of Xinjiang (prohibits women from wearing veils and men from growing beards, as well as barring government officials from observing Ramadan) are near Kuqa, a town struck by multiple bombings on Aug. 10.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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The concern includes that Muslims must have a bank account of at least $6,000. Because of this a investment potential to build their own business within China becomes their only hope for not being allowed to hold a government job unless they were to denounce their faith and stop fasting or attending Ramadan. If this business investment trend continues a majority stock holder situation will prevail and the Muslims will be able to purchase American businesses which then could be moved to China and Americans would lose jobs in America because of the China leadership.

A Catholic priest in Italy came up with a novel way of enticing young people back to the church - by holding a beauty pageant for nuns. Father Antonio Rungi is hopeful that one day it will take off in the real world stating the around 1,000 nuns have already expressed an interest in taking part. the nuns can wear full habits (uniforms) & veils or let loose but he doesn't expect nuns in swimsuits. The nun beauty pageant "Miss Sister 2008" has been canceled so they made it look like it was a catwalk. He wanted a beauty pageant where no one would look at the nuns' bodies. Nun Beauty Pageant.html

No Investigation Directed The Issue Properly, How Could A Judge, judge

The court system has no path through the woods, they are engulfed in a forest that surrounds their argument that Obama has been certidfied as a legal candidate in a election for a U.S. Senator and further certified as a candidtae for the Presidency. In their judgment they hold to the belief that if there were a illegal matter of birth certification then someone would have proven it before those matters took place leaving them without having to provide a verdict to a lower court unless Barack Obama protested against a lower court. Its the ingedients in the onkey grease not the title of the monkey grease or its container. The 'X' citizenry of being a natural confused state of resolution (switch-a-roo).

How Can a New Born Happen If Mommy Don't Want Another Child?

Soetoro became Sutoro, the son Barry retained his name and got lost in the wealthy shuffle from the inheritance of the oil money trail cause Soetoro had another wife that cared for him, while the new Obama came into the world as a adopted unknown by his father and was replacing the original Barry Soetoro now described as Barry Sutoro, to now question whom he was and define his illogical heading for the future. The family size grew by one additional baby Ann Durham Obama had no idea her original baby was alive, both parents got their wish, she got a divorce and remarried Obama Sr. that later died when she made that naming choice.

Bad entitlement: D.C. court case demands Obama explain eligibility. His eligibility claim would never disclose a sinister plot if someone during his lifetime discussed his true identity with him and that pewrson having been killed by police sometime afterwards sort of closes his ability to defend that position so why not leave well enough alone and continue as the real mcoy

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Emilymary
What a pity that posters here are so ignorant when it comes to the American Constitution.
Soetoro is a dual British/Kenyan or dual British/American citizen.


Isnt that rather hypocritical for you to say that when you yourself cannot find any such law within the constitution?

You have been claiming right through this thread that the foreign citizenship passed on towards Obama at birth disqualified him as a natural born citizen, yet each time I asked you to reference it out from the constitution or supreme court rulings, you have failed to respond.

Where in the constitution does it say that? How can you call people ignorant when yourself cannot reference it out of the constitution??

You say the presidents dual citizenship disqualified him as a natural born? Ok, where in the constitution?

www.usconstitution.net...

If you were in court and you told the judge that the presidents dual citizenship at birth disqualified him and they asked you for proof, where would that proof be? Start referencing please.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Emilymary cannot claim Obama as a British/Kenyan when it was not the issue that more than one Obama surfaced which was a natural born citizen so if that birth certificate were were falsification of his second fathers more than one wife issue before he arrived that had the same aging then were looking at a dual violation of anti-trust law and a really good example of a theft of identity when a fake replacement took the original Obama place. Remember that Kenyan Tribe Law required the father to marry a black woman not a white woman so if this was some sort of intentional misrepresentation of his wife perhaps it was to cover-up her indebtedness else her wealth just in case the second wife died the son would inherit, if the son died he would inherit and its all a family matter keeping her family totally at bay not receiving anything so she and her family could have been very wealthy. We know that his mother originally showed that Obama Jr. was a citizen of Indonesia so could that certificate have been a fake. Was she thinking she could alter his name using that Indonesian Certificate and possibly failed to understand the Hawaiian Agent specifically was referencing only what could happen within Hawaii not Indonesia and this made her skeptical to believe in American leadership. Instead the switch took place following a fake death and Mrs. Obama returned to Hawaii with the replacement and he maintained the real one so it was like he was visiting his second father instead of actually being his second father's Keynan birth son. My other posts support this theory and it would be wise to see that the next issue became the money trail of the first husband that was told to the replacement and he followed that hoping to support Ann Durham. It could be another visitation with relatives or friends of the oil rich father and the connection could have occurred in Hawaii instead of going to Indonesia again and again. The real Obama would have been stuck in Kenya, Africa and may then could have decided to venture to America following the father's death so the next crossing of paths would not have occurred because of Obama's choice to go to America. It does seem likely that the real Obama came to understand what happened from someone close to the father, later in life Obama chose to seek a education and felt insecure because of his Kenyan identity so a scheme to become the Obama he was born to be a Hawaiian and this prompted Obama to make a call-in about his Hawaiian Birth Certificate and changes of verification became significant covering the switch-a-roo. Therefore a fraud was going to occur from the choice Obama made.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by OoTopNotchoO
Remember that Kenyan Tribe Law required the father to marry a black woman not a white woman


care to show us all that "Kenyan tribal law"? - no, you just made that up!


We know that his mother originally showed that Obama Jr. was a citizen of Indonesia


care to show proof of that claim? - no, again you just made that up!


Instead the switch took place following a fake death and Mrs. Obama returned to Hawaii with the replacement and he maintained the real one so it was like he was visiting his second father instead of actually being his second father's Keynan birth son.


what are you babbling about now?

snip a whole lot of garbage

and people wonder why birthers are not taken seriously!



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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Evidently your not reading the news completely, I have been reading the news since before 2007 when I became a member and that one circumstance stood out like a sore thumb or like your sore head is standing against what I am writing about on this page and if you get on this page you will understand what I am saying, I am not spinning off what your spinning off of nor do I like the way the public is being filibustered about Obama, its a scam to keep poking fun at Obama in a court room. Either get to the point in courts or keep the peace and if investigators ain't following up on clues effectively then someone must poke the investigators. You must really drive the shovel into the rock and bring forth the evidence, not what we already see is true thats not evidence of what has happened. It is like investigators are reporting the front and back doors are open during the hurricane and we could see that happen on a video so why protest that in a court room, Obama's certificate he caused to be presented is common knowledge (threads) so that is not where to bring issue that he is ineligible to be anything politically in America, you would have to pin Obama with a felony to bring Obama to his knees in a court room pleaing for his right to be what he claims is legit. This is the issue your missing so keep reading and don't ask me why this is something for the investigation and if your not that much influenced about the matter then forget trying to see through the forest for the trees and babble to yourself. I said my peace on this matter and am done with the fallacies that are being sold as news worthy and follow the leader news reporting.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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[care to show us all that "Kenyan tribal law"]
Seriously, Obama just like his father is a member of the Luo Tribe and its marriage laws govern conduct of both the father and mother. One of the religious customs is that a man of this Luo Tribe must marry a Black Female. To keep face with the Luo Tribe as a member in good standing his father pushed the wrong direction, hiding the truth from the Tribe is as bad as lying that you are born a Muslim or that you are a learned Muslim. Wikipedia does not cover that custom, I read it in the news when a discussion was taking place about Obama's father in Kenya. His father lied to his mother, he already had a girlfriend that was Black before he married his mother Ann Durham, then he returned to Kenya and got married to the girlfriend and told his mother that he got a divorce and she thought he was on the level but he lied again. He was the one which wanted another child by Ann. It seems that his father has a knack for lying just like Obama is trying to portray but anyone could see through Obama cause he is acting out this so it is not a act of lying to be lying but a lying act to commit a fraud. The Congress and the people are not paying close enough attention to see that Obama is intentionally lying, sure he knows America has no money, sure he knows that the job losses are real and causes insufficiency in obtaining funding, sure he realizes that everything he has done is not coming from him but coming from someone else in Congress, sure he knows that he has spend more on his agenda budget in one year than Bush spent in his last year in office. Yet Obama is clearly showing that he does not fathom what a trillion dollars is much less that the National Debt was already past 12 Trillion when Congress passed the law giving a new cap to the National Debt at 14 Trillion and that will occur within a few days as the National Debt Clock continues to count against the treasury and economy of all America, he realizes he must start issuing new printed money to cover for the inadequate treasury and that is going to bring the dollar value down, bring down the U.S. AAA Rating amongst nations which lend money to nations that they have faith in to pay it back tand force the issue without a means established to pay money back against the integrity of American Taxpayers in the future claiming a superiority against nations and their response will be bad enough but the response of business will show more failures and the market will crash. Obama does not realize that to resign would save face amongst all that do not believe in his policies and know them to be failures, yet Obama keeps on feeding the same issue as a way to keep faith with those that support him and they know he is lying to keep the money trail active so he continues to gain. Obama's behavior is irrational thought processes so he has shown the American Taxpayers he cannot plan nor could he effectively hold the office of the Presidency.



The Baby Sitter Remarked: “It was interesting, and I don’t know why she was going to school in Seattle and he was in Hawaii at the time. She had told me at one point that because of her husband’s post in the tribe he was going to have to go back to Kenya and marry a black woman, as well. It was a whole different world, so she was accepting of that and hoping she could get back to him soon,” Toutonghi said.
[Mary Toutonghi, of Soldotna, remembrance of the 44th president as a 7-month-old baby. Toutonghi said she often wondered what happened to Dunham, who became Ann Dunham Soetoro after a later marriage, and died of ovarian cancer in 1995.]
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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by OoTopNotchoO
One of the religious customs is that a man of this Luo Tribe must marry a Black Female.


No it is not! "The Luo frequently marry outside the tribe,"
en.wikipedia.org...

So just another birther lie!





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